DIYAPASON-L Digest #146 - Wednesday, August 30, 2000
 
Aeolian key contacts
  by "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@sockets.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Aeolian key contacts
  by "Ron Rarick" <rrarick@gw.bsu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Aeolian key contacts
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
have sort of a dilemma , dose any one know of any combination	of ranks th
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Aeolian key contacts
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: Synthetic trumpet
  by "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Aeolian key contacts
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
[Residence Organs]  Re: Synthetic trumpet
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  have sort of a dilemma , dose any one know of any
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  have sort of a dilemma , dose any	oneknow of any 
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  have sort of a dilemma , dose any oneknow of any 
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  have sort of a dilemma , dose any	oneknowof any c
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Fw: [Residence Organs]  Aeolian key contacts
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
 

(back) Subject: Aeolian key contacts From: "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@sockets.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:37:51 -0500   I am now involved in regulating the console keyboards of my Opus 1280. When trying to discover why some keys had to be pushed nearly all the way down to make contact, I found that each contact wire has a second, small contact wire soldered to it. Some of these have fallen off. The result = is a much deeper key stroke to make the electrical contact.   My question to the list is How do I repair this? Does some supply house make a replacement? Does anyone have a junk Aeolian keyboard that can supply these parts?   I have not counted how many of the contacts need repair. So far, I have discovered six, but I am sure there is more. The Swell manual has 61 contacts, the Great has 183, and the Choir has 122.   Bob Taylor      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Aeolian key contacts From: "Ron Rarick" <rrarick@gw.bsu.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:12:48 -0500     "The Swell manual has 61 contacts, the Great has 183, and the Choir has 122."       Bob,   Maybe this is too obvious for me to mention, but the contact numbers are surely that way because of couplers. Nothing couples to the Swell so it needs contacts only for its own chest(s). The Swell couples to the Choir, which needs its own contacts plus a set to fire the swell primaries, giving the 61x2 =3D 122. And both the Swell and the Choir couple to the Great, which therefore needs three sets of contacts per key. When you describe a deep keystroke to make a secondary contact, I presume the main contact is broken and you're playing through to the coupler contact. I don't know Aeolians in detail, but the circumstantial evidence suggests that's what you've got there.   Ron Rarick Muncie Indiana    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Aeolian key contacts From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:18:31 -0500   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Dear Bob Unfortunally I don't have any old keyboards that you could use How ever I = do have a friend that takes care of my organ that used to work for Aeolian = Skinner , His name Tim Murphy 615-397-3087 you might call Tim genus at = organ repair=20 sincerely john       >>> rtaylor@sockets.net 08/30/00 08:37AM >>> I am now involved in regulating the console keyboards of my Opus 1280. When trying to discover why some keys had to be pushed nearly all the way down to make contact, I found that each contact wire has a second, small contact wire soldered to it. Some of these have fallen off. The result = is a much deeper key stroke to make the electrical contact.   My question to the list is How do I repair this? Does some supply house make a replacement? Does anyone have a junk Aeolian keyboard that can supply these parts?   I have not counted how many of the contacts need repair. So far, I have discovered six, but I am sure there is more. The Swell manual has 61 contacts, the Great has 183, and the Choir has 122.   Bob Taylor       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20        
(back) Subject: have sort of a dilemma , dose any one know of any combination of ranks that will make a synthetic tr From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:24:25 -0500   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   have sort of a dilemma , dose any one know of any combination of ranks = that will make a synthetic trumpet , I have a 6 ranks unit organ in my = home and the organ needs a trumpet sound dose any one have any suggestions = of how I might go about wiring one up , given I only have=20 T.C. 16 Gemshorn , 16 Bourdon , 8 salicional 8,Aeoline ,4 Octave ,a nd a = Vox=20   and would any one know there where about of any old relay switching as I = am in need of that =20   thanks God Bless john        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Aeolian key contacts From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:27:30 -0500   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Dear Bob=20 Tim Number 615-297-3087 not 397 sorry john       >>> rrarick@gw.bsu.edu 08/30/00 09:12AM >>>   "The Swell manual has 61 contacts, the Great has 183, and the Choir has 122."       Bob,   Maybe this is too obvious for me to mention, but the contact numbers are surely that way because of couplers. Nothing couples to the Swell so it needs contacts only for its own chest(s). The Swell couples to the Choir, which needs its own contacts plus a set to fire the swell primaries, giving the 61x2 =3D 122. And both the Swell and the Choir couple to the Great, which therefore needs three sets of contacts per key. When you describe a deep keystroke to make a secondary contact, I presume the main contact is broken and you're playing through to the coupler contact. I don't know Aeolians in detail, but the circumstantial evidence suggests that's what you've got there.   Ron Rarick Muncie Indiana     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20        
(back) Subject: Re: Synthetic trumpet From: "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:02:26 -0400   "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> asked about wiring a synthetic trumpet. That is a difficult challenge! The most common synthetic reed stop is the Oboe, made from an 8' String and a 2-2/3' Flute, preferably stopped. I've heard a Midmer-Losh (!) church organ whose synthetic Oboe was so good that very few people realized it was a fake. The Flute was taken from the unified Stopped Diapason, making the result even more amazing. (If the flute were softer and perhaps even a special rank tuned perfect rather than tempered, then the result might have been expected to be even better.)   Some theatre organs (few!) offered a synthetic Saxophone, but I'm not sure =   exactly what they used, and I suspect the result was poor. Some Link theatre organs included an "Orientale Synthetic" that included such things =   as a String Celeste and a Tierce (from a Flute).   Possibly, the reed ranks that have predominant odd harmonics might be easier to synthesize since you have to supply fewer "harmonics"! A = Trumpet is probably the most difficult. Allen Miller has created at least one 16' =   Resultant Posthorn, but that is different from a synthetic rank since he had the 8' Posthorn available already.   For a smooth Trumpet sound, an effect method might be the classical organ Cornet: flutes at 8-4-Q-2-T. Some of them sound very much like a smooth reed. Adding a 1-1/7' Septieme (a real one!) would also help, but now we're talking about 5 or 6 ranks of pipes. On the other hand, a unified (tempered) Quint isn't _too_ much out of tune, and maybe there would be space for a small short-compass Tierce, thereby providing one of the important "reedy" harmonics.   Perhaps John could find space for an additional chest for a short-compass (real!) Trumpet! A small-scaled Oboe (open) would also be an option, = since some of them sound rather like a small Trumpet and they might not be as over-bearing in a residence organ.   My own solution to this problem was to get lucky (!) and find a very nice 8' Trumpet from an Aeolian residence organ. This set is about 4" scale at =   8' CC and is voiced on about 3-1/2" pressure with a very refined "English" =   sound; the shallots have small openings so as to help reduce the volume while still maintaining the Trumpet sound.   Good luck, John!   Larry    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Aeolian key contacts From: "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:00:22 -0400       Ron Rarick wrote: > > "The Swell manual has 61 > contacts, the Great has 183, and the Choir has 122." > > Bob, > > Maybe this is too obvious for me to mention, but the > contact numbers are surely that way because of > couplers. Nothing couples to the Swell so it needs > contacts only for its own chest(s).   Ah yes...all this effort for the want of a few diodes.  
(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: Synthetic trumpet From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:12:01 -0500   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Larry=20 thanks for your reply Unfortunally I do believe that you are right I am = going to have to find a small scale trupette or find an amazingly good = Oboe and increase the wind and hope that might resemble a trumpet , but = you are right=20 I probably will need to GET lucky and find a good trumpet at a good = Price=20 have any leads on anyone with old relay Etc=20   thanks john       >>> rlc1@etnainstruments.com 08/30/00 10:02AM >>> "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> asked about wiring a synthetic=20 trumpet. That is a difficult challenge! The most common synthetic = reed=20 stop is the Oboe, made from an 8' String and a 2-2/3' Flute, preferably=20 stopped. I've heard a Midmer-Losh (!) church organ whose synthetic = Oboe=20 was so good that very few people realized it was a fake. The Flute was=20 taken from the unified Stopped Diapason, making the result even more=20 amazing. (If the flute were softer and perhaps even a special rank = tuned=20 perfect rather than tempered, then the result might have been expected = to=20 be even better.)   Some theatre organs (few!) offered a synthetic Saxophone, but I'm not = sure=20 exactly what they used, and I suspect the result was poor. Some Link=20 theatre organs included an "Orientale Synthetic" that included such = things=20 as a String Celeste and a Tierce (from a Flute).   Possibly, the reed ranks that have predominant odd harmonics might be=20 easier to synthesize since you have to supply fewer "harmonics"! A = Trumpet=20 is probably the most difficult. Allen Miller has created at least one = 16'=20 Resultant Posthorn, but that is different from a synthetic rank since = he=20 had the 8' Posthorn available already.   For a smooth Trumpet sound, an effect method might be the classical = organ=20 Cornet: flutes at 8-4-Q-2-T. Some of them sound very much like a = smooth=20 reed. Adding a 1-1/7' Septieme (a real one!) would also help, but now=20 we're talking about 5 or 6 ranks of pipes. On the other hand, a unified=20=   (tempered) Quint isn't _too_ much out of tune, and maybe there would be=20 space for a small short-compass Tierce, thereby providing one of the=20 important "reedy" harmonics.   Perhaps John could find space for an additional chest for a short-compass= =20 (real!) Trumpet! A small-scaled Oboe (open) would also be an option, = since=20 some of them sound rather like a small Trumpet and they might not be as=20 over-bearing in a residence organ.   My own solution to this problem was to get lucky (!) and find a very = nice=20 8' Trumpet from an Aeolian residence organ. This set is about 4" scale = at=20 8' CC and is voiced on about 3-1/2" pressure with a very refined = "English"=20 sound; the shallots have small openings so as to help reduce the volume=20 while still maintaining the Trumpet sound.   Good luck, John!   Larry     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] have sort of a dilemma , dose any one know of any combination of ranks that will make a synthetic tr From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:39:09 -0500   >** For Your Eyes Only ** >** High Priority ** > >have sort of a dilemma , dose any one know of any combination of ranks >that will make a synthetic trumpet , I have a 6 ranks unit organ in my >home and the organ needs a trumpet sound dose any one have any = suggestions >of how I might go about wiring one up , given I only have >T.C. 16 Gemshorn , 16 Bourdon , 8 salicional 8,Aeoline ,4 Octave ,a nd a = Vox > >and would any one know there where about of any old relay switching as I >am in need of that > >thanks >God Bless >john   john,   We have some Klann Gang Switches we'd like to part with.   Single coil 32 contacts Single coil 61 contacts Single coil 61 contacts Double coil 61 double contacts with 61 commons   Set of Allen (5) relays making up 61 notes.     Any interest?   John V          
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] have sort of a dilemma , dose any oneknow of any combination of ranks that will make a synthetic tr From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:53:11 -0500   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Defiantly interested in the switching what is the price would these = switches work with unit ranks I would probably need all of it Both klann = and Allen sweithching       >>> jovanderlee@vassar.edu 08/30/00 11:39AM >>> >** For Your Eyes Only ** >** High Priority ** > >have sort of a dilemma , dose any one know of any combination of ranks >that will make a synthetic trumpet , I have a 6 ranks unit organ in my >home and the organ needs a trumpet sound dose any one have any suggestions=   >of how I might go about wiring one up , given I only have >T.C. 16 Gemshorn , 16 Bourdon , 8 salicional 8,Aeoline ,4 Octave ,a nd a = Vox > >and would any one know there where about of any old relay switching as I >am in need of that > >thanks >God Bless >john   john,   We have some Klann Gang Switches we'd like to part with.   Single coil 32 contacts Single coil 61 contacts Single coil 61 contacts Double coil 61 double contacts with 61 commons   Set of Allen (5) relays making up 61 notes.     Any interest?   John V           DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] have sort of a dilemma , dose any oneknow of any combination of ranks that will make a synthetic tr From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:42:07 -0500   >** For Your Eyes Only ** >** High Priority ** > >Defiantly interested in the switching what is the price would these >switches work with unit ranks I would probably need all of it Both klann >and Allen sweithching     On the Klanns, one coil (12v) simultaneously closes 61(or 32) pairs of contacts. i.o.w. your stop switch would enable 61(32) pipes.   The double Klann - each coil(2) closes a set of contacts, except that the sets share 61 common contacts   The Allen switches is a home- made setup using five 11 note relay switches plus one 6 note relay switch totalling 61 notes.   I just checked Organ Supply, and their price on similar units ranges from $50 to $75 each.   Would you consider $85 for all Klanns, with the Allen thrown in? Plus shipping. we pack for free.   John V   >john, > >We have some Klann Gang Switches we'd like to part with. > >Single coil 32 contacts >Single coil 61 contacts >Single coil 61 contacts >Double coil 61 double contacts with 61 commons > >Set of Allen (5) relays making up 61 notes. > > >Any interest? > >John V > > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] have sort of a dilemma , dose any oneknowof any combination of ranks that will make a synthetic tr From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:35:34 -0500   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   John=20 what else would I need for these switches to work as a small relay=20 I know some sort of union board , $85 I till take them for that please = bear in mind it might take a month to get the money to you , would you = mind that=20 let me know and what address to send your money too thanks God Bless john       >>> jovanderlee@vassar.edu 08/30/00 01:42PM >>> >** For Your Eyes Only ** >** High Priority ** > >Defiantly interested in the switching what is the price would these >switches work with unit ranks I would probably need all of it Both klann >and Allen sweithching     On the Klanns, one coil (12v) simultaneously closes 61(or 32) pairs of contacts. i.o.w. your stop switch would enable 61(32) pipes.   The double Klann - each coil(2) closes a set of contacts, except that the sets share 61 common contacts   The Allen switches is a home- made setup using five 11 note relay switches plus one 6 note relay switch totalling 61 notes.   I just checked Organ Supply, and their price on similar units ranges from $50 to $75 each.   Would you consider $85 for all Klanns, with the Allen thrown in? Plus shipping. we pack for free.   John V   >john, > >We have some Klann Gang Switches we'd like to part with. > >Single coil 32 contacts >Single coil 61 contacts >Single coil 61 contacts >Double coil 61 double contacts with 61 commons > >Set of Allen (5) relays making up 61 notes. > > >Any interest? > >John V > > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20 > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20         DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20        
(back) Subject: Fw: [Residence Organs] Aeolian key contacts From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:38:03 -0500   I have several pairs of organ manuals in my shop available.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Calvo <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> To: <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Aeolian key contacts     ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Dear Bob Unfortunally I don't have any old keyboards that you could use How ever I = do have a friend that takes care of my organ that used to work for Aeolian Skinner , His name Tim Murphy 615-397-3087 you might call Tim genus at = organ repair sincerely john       >>> rtaylor@sockets.net 08/30/00 08:37AM >>> I am now involved in regulating the console keyboards of my Opus 1280. When trying to discover why some keys had to be pushed nearly all the way down to make contact, I found that each contact wire has a second, small contact wire soldered to it. Some of these have fallen off. The result = is a much deeper key stroke to make the electrical contact.   My question to the list is How do I repair this? Does some supply house make a replacement? Does anyone have a junk Aeolian keyboard that can supply these parts?   I have not counted how many of the contacts need repair. So far, I have discovered six, but I am sure there is more. The Swell manual has 61 contacts, the Great has 183, and the Choir has 122.   Bob Taylor       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org         DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org