DIYAPASON-L Digest #208 - Monday, December 18, 2000 many console design questions by <Ed_Stauff@avid.com> Re: [Residence Organs] Hello everyone, and basement pipes... by "Jon C. Habermaas" <email@example.com> Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Wurlitzer Roll Players and Introduction by "Bob Loesch" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: many console design questions From: <Ed_Stauff@avid.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:39:16 -0500 (cross-posted to PIPORG-L) Background: Having recently started taking lessons again after many years, I've quickly come to realize that practicing almost exclusively on a weighted electric piano is holding me back. I need an organ practice clavier. I could just look for a cheap used 61-note MIDI keyboard, but instead I want to use this as an excuse to build my "dream console", which eventually (I hope) will be connected to a pipe organ, though it may end up being a toaster (better than nothing!) or a hybrid. To the Point: I have begun designing my "dream console" in earnest. I've gotten a lot of information from my Organ Supply Industries catalog and the description of AGO console standards as printed in Barnes's "The Contemporary American Organ". I'm looking for some additional information and/or opinions regarding the following: 1. How closely (vertical measurement) can two rows of stop tabs be placed, based on usability to the player's hand? (OSI's mechanism is about 3" high.) 2. How closely can drawknobs be placed, based (a) on usability to the player's hand, and (b) the size of the internal mechanism? 3. If I "go shopping" for a used console to cannibalize for its keyboards & pedalboard, whose consoles should I look for? That is, who made good quality claviers during what time period? Conversely, are there any I should avoid? 4. Who makes good quality (new) console parts, including keyboards, pedalboards, top tab assemblies, rocker assemblies, drawknob assemblies, toe studs, swell shoes, and contact blocks? 5. Has anyone had any experience with wiring a keyboard for velocity sensitivity? Ideally, I'd like my keyboards to be velocity sensitive. I've done this before (with a pedalboard) by putting one switch near the top the key travel and another near the bottom, and using software to measure the time delay & convert that to velocity. However, AGO standards call for the firing point to be halfway through the key travel. This implies that I should use 3 switches or contacts: one near the top, one near the bottom, and one in the middle, and then have a way to select whether the keyboard is, at any time, velocity sensitive or not. Comments? 6. Is there a current "conventional wisdom" on whether "tracker touch" (on an organ with electric action) is desirable? Or this this just personal preference? 7. Has anyone had any hands-on experience with whether "tracker touch" interferes with the ability to control a velocity sensitive keyboard? 8. Is there a current "conventional wisdom" on whether the manuals on a 3-manual console should be slightly tilted with respect to each other, or parallel? Or is this one of those personal opinion things? (Ideally, I'd like my console to be adjustable in that respect). 9. Is there any precedent for placing the stops for each manual to the left *and* right of the manual, so each manual and all its stops are in one horizontal plane? Or did these "terraced" consoles always arrange the stops so that all the stops for each manual were either to the right or the left of the manuals, but not both? Note: Please do not respond to this message with a discussion over the merits of electric action versus mechanical action, or toasters versus pipes. If you can't resist the temptation, please e-mail me privately and keep it off the list. Also, please don't suggest that I just order a console from your favorite builder; I couldn't possibly even begin to afford it. Thanks for the feedback, -- Ed #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D# | Ed Stauff, principal software eng. | I don't speak | "Specialization | | Avid Technology, Tewksbury MA, USA | for Avid, nor | is for insects." | | "ed_stauff#@#avid.com" (remove #'s) | vice versa. | -- Lazarus Long | #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Hello everyone, and basement pipes... From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:09:52 -0600 A battery operated sump is a great idea...it has saved me several times...power goes out during thunderstorms when there is the greatest threat of water...also my regular pump has a tendancy of getting the float = stuck and since the backup pump is mounted on the same pipe as the regular = pump, when it fires up because the other pump didn't go...it shakes the pipe and wakes the other pump up...when popular make is called "Ace in the = Hole"...I purchased mine and with my usual procrastination did not install = it immediately...came home from work late one night and fortunately = checked on the organ chamber...found an inch of water covering the floor and the sump pump peacefully asleep..."Ace" went in the next morning and haven't had any problems since.... JCH At 03:19 AM 12/7/00 -0800, you wrote: >I'd suggest digging a sump, and installing a pair of pumps in the sump, = so >that any water which does get into the chamber is drained into the sump, >then pumped out. A battery-driven backup pump isn't a bad idea either, = if >your area is anything like mine re: power outages.
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Wurlitzer Roll Players and Introduction From: "Bob Loesch" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:26:42 -0800 At 19:10 12/13/2000 -0800, you wrote: >I own a 3M 15 Rank Rober Morton Pipe organ that came to >me last year with the passing of a very close friend. The organ is now = in my >garage / studio awaiting to be erected and installed. Hi, Tim. By any chance is this 3/15 RM the one that was owned by Dick Schroder? If it is, Congratulations! I have often wondered what happened to it upon Dick's passing, and I'm glad it has found a good home! >I am also the manufacturer and distributor of the UniFlex-2000 PC Based >Computer Controlled Pipe Organ Relay System. I've known about this for some time, but I've always been too broke to seriously think about replacing my Wurlitzer relay with something a bit more reliable, and easier to change. While I'm still quite broke, I can = at least see the light at the end of the tunnel, and am therefore starting to think about it again. I own a Style 216, opus 1142, or at least whatever of it is left, plus a few extra ranks. >the first to put a totally computer based software simulated relay system >on the market that controlled the Relay, Combination Action and = Multi-Track >record play in one small package. I'm very interested in this feature, and have many ideas about ways to use recording/playback functions. At any rate, I need to get more information! Can you give a ballpark estimate (+- $1k) on a relay/record/playback system for a 2m/15rk? Regards, Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA NAWCC 140818 http://www.jps.net/rrloesch alternate mailto:email@example.com