DIYAPASON-L Digest #29 - Sunday, February 6, 2000
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Adding on to a pipe organ...
  by "james turner" <JTTUNER@webtv.net>
Fwd: Re: [Residence Organs]  rectifier at 110
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Adding on to a pipe organ...
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Adding on to a pipe organ...
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  rectifier at 110
  by <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  rectifier at 110
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Adding on to a pipe organ...
  by "Ron Rarick" <rrarick@gw.bsu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Adding on to a pipe organ...
  by "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@untraveledroad.com>
Re: rectifier at 110
  by "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@untraveledroad.com>
Fwd: Re: [Residence Organs] One AMP? (Was: rectifier at 110)
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Fwd: Re: [Residence Organs]  rectifier at 110: an IMPORTANT clarification
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Re: [Residence Organs]  rectifier at 110: an IMPORTANTclarification!
  by "wurlic1" <wurlic1@lara.on.ca>
Re: [Residence Organs]  rectifier at 110
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Adding on to a pipe organ... From: "james turner" <JTTUNER@webtv.net> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 03:40:05 -0500 (EST)   Kelvin & List,   Thanks for your suggestions. If I may ask one more question....I have seen several small organs in churches (and homes) with only one reed. Sometimes it is a Trumpet and sometimes an Oboe. If you can only add one reed, which one would be most useful?   Thanks,   Jim Turner    
(back) Subject: Fwd: Re: [Residence Organs] rectifier at 110 From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 05:26:52 -0600   Another Forward from Richard Schneider to the list     >Kelvin Smith wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I need to hook up a Durst organ rectifier for 110. It was previously = hooked > > up for 220, and I want to make sure what the right connections are to > > change to 110. It has 4 AC connections, numbered 1 to 4. 2 and 3 and > > jumpered together and 1 and 4 had the two legs of the 220 on them. > >To connect a rectifier of this type to 110 VAC: > >Change the jumpers so that 1 & 2 are jumpered together, and 3 & 4 are >jumpered together. Make sure that 2 & 3 are NOT jumpered together >anymore. > >Usually, they put two sets of jumper clips underneath the 2 & 3 screws >when they were hooked up for 220, so just take off all the screws, place >the jumpers appropriately, and then connect the supply lines to 1 & 4 >again, but this time feeding it 110. > >Hope this helps! > >Faithfully, > >"Arp" >(Who's going to attack the shop computer MONDAY for sure!!!)    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Adding on to a pipe organ... From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 07:25:37 -0600   james turner wrote:   > Kelvin & List, > > Thanks for your suggestions. If I may ask one more question....I have > seen several small organs in churches (and homes) with only one reed. > Sometimes it is a Trumpet and sometimes an Oboe. If you can only add > one reed, which one would be most useful? > > Thanks, > > Jim Turner   This will depend on scaling and voicing of the reed, the size of your room, and the desired tonal result you wish in the full ensemble. The oboe should be a chorus reed, rather than imitative. A trumpet in a small organ has to be a bit subdued. So, there is no clear cut answer. If I were in your situation, I would opt for a chorus oboe. This line of thinking was also used by William Harrison Barnes, author of The Contemporary American Organ (now not quite so contemporary).   F. Richard Burt effarbee@home.com          
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Adding on to a pipe organ... From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 07:44:47 -0600   At 7:25 AM -0600 2/6/00, F. Richard Burt wrote: >james turner wrote: >[SNIP] >This will depend on scaling and voicing of the reed, the size of >your room, and the desired tonal result you wish in the full >ensemble. The oboe should be a chorus reed, rather than imitative. >A trumpet in a small organ has to be a bit subdued. So, there is >no clear cut answer. If I were in your situation, I would opt for >a chorus oboe. This line of thinking was also used by William >Harrison Barnes, author of The Contemporary American Organ (now >not quite so contemporary).   I have to go along with this line of thinking. Although I do have a BIG Trumpet in storage I have decided to use two Oboes on the Great division of my house instrument - both of them "chorus" type Oboes - an 8' Oboe of Gottfried and a Moller 4' Oboe-Shalmei. The Trumpet would be a bit much in the space I have in the house - it would over-power the rest of the instrument.   It is interesting that William Harrison Barnes is mentioned as I always have thought of him as the "prototype" for what some of us are doing, with his "mongrel" in the basement. Have seen, heard and played that instrument I can almost see what I am doing as patterning myself on his work. When he sold his house the organ got moved into a RC Church on the Southside of Chicago where it was very nice for the building. Unfortunately, as I understand it, it no longer exists, at least in the form that he left it in.   David    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] rectifier at 110 From: <DEMPAR1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:08:02 EST   Connections 1 and 2 are the first primary winding and 3 and 4 are the = second winding. On 220, you are connecting the two coils in series (in 1 out of = 2, into 3 and out of 4) For parallel connection of the coils (110 volt operation) you should put a jumper from 1 to 3 and a second jumper from 2 = to 4. Your 110 volt hot wire should go to the 2/4 connection and the neutral should go to the 1/3 connection.     In a message dated 02/05/2000 10:58:11 PM Central Standard Time, sparky@chesco.com writes:   << It has 4 AC >> connections, numbered 1 to 4. 2 and 3 and jumpered together >> and 1 and 4 had the two legs of the 220 on them. >>  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] rectifier at 110 From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 10:01:01 -0600   At 2/5/00 06:13 PM, you wrote:   >I need to hook up a Durst organ rectifier for 110. It was previously = hooked >up for 220, and I want to make sure what the right connections are... <snip>   Hi, Kelvin!   Now that we've recieved several (all different) answers to your = query...... :-)   I have a couple of these beasts laying around at the shop, waiting for the next scrap-copper run, and will be glad to look tomorrow (unless I get by there today) to find the correct connection configuration for 110V for = you. I'm sure that one of them has its factory wiring diagram inside.   Stay tuned...<G>!   Tim    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Adding on to a pipe organ... From: "Ron Rarick" <rrarick@gw.bsu.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 11:29:16 -0500   "I have a 4 rank Moller organ made in the late thirties. I would like to increase it to l0 ranks-no more. Can some of you recommend what 6 ranks I should add? I would like to keep it on the classical or church lines. This is what it has now. Stopped Flute 97 pipes starting at l6' to 2' Open Diapason 73 pipes Gamba 73 pipes Dulciana 73 pipes   Jim Turner"     Jim, obviously there's no one right answer;=20 this is what I would like to do, for the kind of music I like to play. Here are the six:   1. an open flute (Melodias are available) as an independent/solo flute   2. a Violin Diapason/principal (narrower scale than the Diapason you've = got)=20 so parts don't drop out when playing polyphony. Make it appear on pedal = at 8'=20 & Great at 4' so the existing Diapason will be an independent 8' Great = stop.   The above two are aimed at avoiding the worst of the effects that come from severe unitization.   3. a Trumpet; if it's church music you want to play, you need to be able to solo out trumpet tunes, play cantus firmi on the pedal,=20 and give the pedal that special oomph for finales. You don't need a 16' reed in the pedal to make it sound grand; the 16' Bourdon plus 8' trumpet is very convincing. Make the trumpet available in the pedal at 4 as well as at 8.   4. an Oboe. Okay, I'll admit it, I love reeds, even though they cause three times as much grief as flue stops. But there's nothing like a nice mezzo solo reed. If it's Baroque you're after, change this to a Krummhorn,=   but I suspect they're harder to come by on the used market, and there's no substitute for an Oboe in Franck.   5. a Nazard 2 2/3. Not a principal quint, but a flute. 6. a Tierce 1 3/5, also a flute.   The above two are again an attempt to rectify some of the worst sins of unit organs, that being derived mutations. Immense amounts of discussion have been held on Piporg-l about this. Suffice it to say that a mutation derived from a regular rank has two very bad things about it: One, it won't be tuned pure to the parent ranks of a cornet registration and thus won't blend properly; Two, it will be way too loud - a proper=20 mutation is somewhere around half the volume of its 8' parent rank.   In addition, if the Dulciana is available with your Gamba on the swell (or can be made to do so) I would be sorely tempted to tune it as a celeste to the Gamba. If you don't like it you can always tune it back.   That's my free advice; worth every penny! :-)   Ron Rarick    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Adding on to a pipe organ... From: "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@untraveledroad.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 09:50:08 -0700   Jim & List,   There is no question in my mind that I would pick an oboe for the only reed. For a small organ it will just about fill the niche of a trumpet anyway, and gives you the advantage of working well with the flutes for solo and accompaniment things. The same organ that I mentioned with the Larigot had a trumpet for its only reed. It was a wonderful stop and added a lot of power to the organ, but it was too big to use for anything but full organ. I was always wishing for a smaller reed (in addition of = course).   Kelvin   >Kelvin & List, > >Thanks for your suggestions. If I may ask one more question....I have >seen several small organs in churches (and homes) with only one reed. >Sometimes it is a Trumpet and sometimes an Oboe. If you can only add >one reed, which one would be most useful? > >Thanks, > >Jim Turner      
(back) Subject: Re: rectifier at 110 From: "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@untraveledroad.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:19:37 -0700   Thanks to those who offered their help on this question. I was going to = use the rectifier for my 12 volt supply in my console to run the combination action solenoids. I spent a couple hours last night trying to decide where to fit it into the console. Finally I decided that it was overkill for = what I needed and I didn't want to give up the space for it. I was also worried about the noise it would make.   I did some math and decided that it would only take about 1 amp to drive the solenoids (compared to the 30 amps that thing would put out.) I = shopped around in some catalogs and found a selection of smaller power supplies that would give me 2 amps of 12 volts plus 3 amps of 5 volts which I will need for my Artisan control system. These are $60 and under, which is cheaper than the power supply I would be buying for the control system. They are all about 3" x 5" by 1 1/2". It sounds like a pretty good deal to me.   That the long way of saying thanks, but unfortunately I'm going a = different direction on it now.   Kelvin   >At 2/5/00 06:13 PM, you wrote: > >>I need to hook up a Durst organ rectifier for 110. It was previously = hooked >>up for 220, and I want to make sure what the right connections are... ><snip> > >Hi, Kelvin! > >Now that we've recieved several (all different) answers to your >query...... :-) > >I have a couple of these beasts laying around at the shop, waiting for = the >next scrap-copper run, and will be glad to look tomorrow (unless I get by >there today) to find the correct connection configuration for 110V for = you. > I'm sure that one of them has its factory wiring diagram inside. > >Stay tuned...<G>! > >Tim      
(back) Subject: Fwd: Re: [Residence Organs] One AMP? (Was: rectifier at 110) From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:03:03 -0600   A couple of more Forwards from Richard Schneider   >Kelvin Smith wrote: > > > Thanks to those who offered their help on this question. I was going = to use > > the rectifier for my 12 volt supply in my console to run the = combination > > action solenoids. <snip> Finally decided that it was overkill > > > I was also worried about the noise it would make. > >Noise? > >Unless something is TERRIBLY wrong with the thing, they don't make >noise! If it's making noise, then don't use it at all and make a scrap >run to the graveyard with the thing! > > > I did some math and decided that it would only take about 1 amp to = drive > > the solenoids > >This sounds too low for any kind of console combination action magnets >I'm familiar with? Whose are they, what are they rated, and how many? >Before you move in that direction, let's check this out. > > > That the long way of saying thanks, but unfortunately I'm going a = different > > direction on it now. > >Let's be sure you're not going for a "bum Steer", first! > >Faithfully, > >"Arp"    
(back) Subject: Fwd: Re: [Residence Organs] rectifier at 110: an IMPORTANT clarification! From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:03:24 -0600   >DEMPAR1@aol.com wrote: > > > Connections 1 and 2 are the first primary winding and 3 and 4 are >the second > > winding. On 220, you are connecting the two coils in series (in 1 out = of 2, > > into 3 and out of 4) For parallel connection of the coils (110 volt > > operation) you should put a jumper from 1 to 3 and a second >jumper from 2 to > > 4. Your 110 volt hot wire should go to the 2/4 connection and the = neutral > > should go to the 1/3 connection. > >Actually: that's not quite true. The proper connections are that 1 and >3 are for the first winding and 2 and 4 are the second winding. >Connecting 1 and 2 put one side of the two windings in parallel while >connecting 3 & 4 put the other side of the two windings also in >parallel, for use on 110. > >If you connect 2 and 3 together, then it still puts the two coils into >series. > >I've done enough of these over the years to remember this in my sleep! > >Faithfully, > >"Arp" > > > In a message dated 02/05/2000 10:58:11 PM Central Standard Time, > > sparky@chesco.com writes: > > > > << It has 4 AC > > >> connections, numbered 1 to 4. 2 and 3 and jumpered together > > >> and 1 and 4 had the two legs of the 220 on them. >>    
(back) Subject: Re: Re: [Residence Organs] rectifier at 110: an IMPORTANTclarification! From: "wurlic1" <wurlic1@lara.on.ca> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:00:42 -0500   Very interesting. It's Sunday afternoon. I have in my hand the "installation Instructions" from Organ Supply Corp,540 East 2nd St., Erie, Pa. for my 30 amp rectifier. "AC - 110v input - connector links should be between terminals 1 & 2 = and 3 & 4. Connect ac line to terminals 2 & 3. 220v input - connector link should be between terminals 2&3. Connect ac line to terminals 1&4.. DC - On the left side of the terminal board are the DC terminals = marked + and -. Attach the posititve and negative wires from the organ to the positive and negative terminals respectively. The DC output voltage may = be adjusted to 10v,12v,14v or 15v by moving the voltage selector wire to the respective terminals on the terminal board."   Unit should have come with two connector links installed. If set up for 220c ac input, then both connectors will be mounted between 2 & 3. Please no one hurt themselves.   wurlic1   And there you have it. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 3:03 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Residence Organs] rectifier at 110: an IMPORTANTclarification!     > >DEMPAR1@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Connections 1 and 2 are the first primary winding and 3 and 4 are > >the second > > > winding. On 220, you are connecting the two coils in series (in 1 = out of 2, > > > into 3 and out of 4) For parallel connection of the coils (110 volt > > > operation) you should put a jumper from 1 to 3 and a second > >jumper from 2 to > > > 4. Your 110 volt hot wire should go to the 2/4 connection and the neutral > > > should go to the 1/3 connection. > > > >Actually: that's not quite true. The proper connections are that 1 and > >3 are for the first winding and 2 and 4 are the second winding. > >Connecting 1 and 2 put one side of the two windings in parallel while > >connecting 3 & 4 put the other side of the two windings also in > >parallel, for use on 110. > > > >If you connect 2 and 3 together, then it still puts the two coils into > >series. > > > >I've done enough of these over the years to remember this in my sleep! > > > >Faithfully, > > > >"Arp" > > > > > In a message dated 02/05/2000 10:58:11 PM Central Standard Time, > > > sparky@chesco.com writes: > > > > > > << It has 4 AC > > > >> connections, numbered 1 to 4. 2 and 3 and jumpered together > > > >> and 1 and 4 had the two legs of the 220 on them. >> > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] rectifier at 110 From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:23:13 -0800   Eureka! I have found the wiring diagram from my 1968 Durst Rectifier, and it is indeed as 'Mr. Arp' has said: for 220V, terminals 2 and 3 are jumpered together, and 1 and 4 go to the = line. for 110V, terminals 1 and 2 are jumpered, and 3 and 4 are jumpered. Terminal 1 and 4 go to the line.   You can see a very bad picture of the diagram at: http://www.jps.net/rrloesch/durst.jpg   Sorry for the huge size of the pic. It was the only way that I could make it readable.     Regards,   Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA   http://www.jps.net/rrloesch   Time flies whether you're having fun or not!   The best things in life aren't THINGS.