DIYAPASON-L Digest #35 - Tuesday, February 15, 2000
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Free stuff....
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
Re: [Residence Organs] search
  by "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com>
Intro and questions
  by "Blackwell, Mike (WTC/Lisle)" <mblackwell@wallace.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Intro and questions
  by "Sam Vause" <vause@home.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Intro and questions
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Free stuff....
  by "Frank Vanaman" <fvanaman@speakeasy.org>
Er, ah, ooops.
  by "Frank Vanaman" <fvanaman@speakeasy.org>
newer news
  by "Frank Vanaman" <fvanaman@speakeasy.org>
Fwd: Pipes and parts avalable
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Intro and questions
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Fwd: Pipes and parts avalable
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com>
Re: [Residence Organs] how much W.P.?
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: [Residence Organs] how much W.P.?
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
parts available
  by "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@untraveledroad.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Free stuff.... From: "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:45:54 -0500   Likewise, I have an entire Allen C2 console (25 note pedalboard) gutted and ready for midi conversion in Northern Virginia free for coming and get it.  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] search From: "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:25:32 CST   Hi Robert and List:   I will very shortly have a Diapason for sale. It's an 8' Tenor C (49 notes). I'm keeping the 8' octave of open wood and the 4' treble = extension. It has been playing on my home organ on about 4-1/2 inches of wind for over a year now. It will play on lower or slightly higher wind pressure, but sounds best at 4-1/2. It's about scale 54 or 4-1/4" at Tenor C, which =   is a very large scale. It was either from the 1883 Schuelke tubular pneumatic originally installed in the St. John and St. Paul Church in Reedsville, Wisconsin, or from the 1938 rebuild by A. Besch of the same organ. Very reasonable, I just don't want to throw it away. I'm located = in Chicago about 2 blocks from I-94. It's not a violin diapason, but it's a very nice stop. I used it as the main principal rank on my organ. E-mail =   me privately at prinzipal8@hotmail.com and I will give you a phone number = to call. Will be available a week or two after my new pipes from = Rieger-Kloss arrive in late February or early March. If you want to hear the stop, = make arrangements soon, as I will soon dismantle my organ to install a relay.   > >I am looking for 2 items. Please keep me in mind if you have a lead on >them. I live 45 min southwest of Madison. I have a truck and would prefer >to pick them up. > >1) blower - 1.5 to 2 h.p. with 8" static (or more) single phase. Old >large and dirty is fine with me! > > >2) 4' violin diapsason to be used as the main principal for my home = organ. >(I plan to used stopped wood bases for now. >   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Intro and questions From: "Blackwell, Mike (WTC/Lisle)" <mblackwell@wallace.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:04:34 -0600   Hello from Mike Blackwell, here in the chilly Chicago suburbs.   I'm a novice at organ building, having just a little experience with reed organs.   My starting place is an old Austin console (2m/p). It's getting cleaned = up, and will be checked out as soon as I figure out where the power _used to = be_ hooked up... it was removed from its former location with the "axe" method :-(.   I've read some of Audsley and related books, though they seem to focus primarily on larger organs.   My maintenance experience is limited to minor touch-up tuning (no voicing) to a couple of old church organs years ago - just to fix a few really bad notes when a "real" tuner wasn't available.   I'm now trying to learn enough to choose a good wind pressure, a few good ranks, enclosure design... and who knows how many things I don't even know I'm missing :-)   As a first question - What range of wind pressures is considered = acceptable for a residence organ? In this particular case, a _small_ residence.   Another question - What is a reasonable set of ranks for this type of = organ, and how much borrowing is common / acceptable? My wife wants to be able = to practice her Paul Manz pieces :-) I enjoy playing the old German Lutheran hymns, stuff from Parish Organist, etc.   Any suggestions, ideas, resources, horror stories, etc., are welcome!     Mike mblackwell@wallace.com  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Intro and questions From: "Sam Vause" <vause@home.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:40:42 -0700   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0843_01BF7701.D9F8D820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Mike, welcome. My opinions (worth only what you've paid for them...! =3D :-)) follow... --sam Sam Vause (Chandler, AZ)   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Blackwell, Mike (WTC/Lisle)=3D20 To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 3:04 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] Intro and questions     Hello from Mike Blackwell, here in the chilly Chicago suburbs.   I'm a novice at organ building, having just a little experience with =3D reed organs. .... As a first question - What range of wind pressures is considered =3D acceptable for a residence organ? In this particular case, a _small_ residence.   I'd recommend you stick to the 3-1/2" range.   Another question - What is a reasonable set of ranks for this type of =3D organ, and how much borrowing is common / acceptable? My wife wants to be able = =3D to practice her Paul Manz pieces :-) I enjoy playing the old German =3D Lutheran hymns, stuff from Parish Organist, etc.   I'd suggest an 8' principal, an 8' flute, perhaps a small (i.e., =3D quiet) reed like a 4' Krumhorn. I'd also recommend a good solo pedal =3D stop, 16' flute or diapason (capped) to blend in with the rest of the =3D stops. You may also wish to consider a separate 4' diapason and a =3D separate 4' flute--can't ever have too many diapasons, IMHO...   Any suggestions, ideas, resources, horror stories, etc., are welcome! =3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0843_01BF7701.D9F8D820 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D3>Mike, welcome. My opinions (worth only what you've = =3D paid for=3D20 them...! :-)) follow...</FONT></DIV> <DIV>--sam</DIV> <DIV>Sam Vause (Chandler, AZ)</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=3D20 <DIV style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> = <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:mblackwell@wallace.com" =3D title=3D3Dmblackwell@wallace.com>Blackwell,=3D20 Mike (WTC/Lisle)</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org"=3D20 title=3D3DDIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 14, 2000 3:04 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Residence Organs] Intro and questions</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Hello from Mike Blackwell, here in the chilly Chicago =3D suburbs.<BR><BR>I'm a=3D20 novice at organ building, having just a little experience with=3D20 reed<BR>organs.<BR><FONT size=3D3D3>...</FONT></DIV> <DIV>As a first question - What range of wind pressures is considered=3D20 acceptable<BR>for a residence organ?&nbsp; In this particular case, a =3D _small_=3D20 residence.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'd recommend you stick to the 3-1/2"=3D20 range.<BR><BR>Another question - What is a reasonable set of ranks for =3D this type=3D20 of organ,<BR>and how much borrowing is common / acceptable?&nbsp; My =3D wife wants=3D20 to be able to<BR>practice her Paul Manz pieces :-)&nbsp; I enjoy playing = =3D the old=3D20 German Lutheran<BR>hymns, stuff from Parish Organist, etc.<BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D3>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'd suggest an 8' principal, an = =3D 8' flute,=3D20 perhaps a small (i.e., quiet) reed like&nbsp;a 4' Krumhorn. I'd also =3D recommend a=3D20 good solo pedal stop, 16' flute or diapason (capped) to blend in with =3D the rest=3D20 of the stops. You may also wish to consider a separate 4' diapason and a = =3D   separate 4' flute--can't ever have too many diapasons, =3D IMHO...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><BR>Any suggestions, ideas, resources, horror stories, etc., are=3D20 welcome!<BR><FONT size=3D3D3>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0843_01BF7701.D9F8D820--    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Intro and questions From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:18:31 -0800   <html> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite><br> ----- Original Message ----- <br> <b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:mblackwell@wallace.com">Blackwell, Mike (WTC/Lisle)</a> <br> <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</a>= <br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 14, 2000 3:04 PM<br> <b>Subject:</b> [Residence Organs] Intro and questions<br> <br> Hello from Mike Blackwell, here in the chilly Chicago suburbs.<br> <br> I'm a novice at organ building, having just a little experience with= reed<br> organs.<br> ....<br> As a first question - What range of wind pressures is considered= acceptable<br> for a residence organ?=A0 In this particular case, a _small_ residence.<br> =A0</blockquote>&nbsp;&nbsp; <br> &nbsp; I'm running 3&quot; wind and consider that plenty even for the larger= room I have. My pipes are voiced for about 3&quot;. I heard a residence= organ running on 2 2/3&quot; ( 65 mm) in a somewhat smaller room and it= played plenty loud with a lovely tone. As Sam mentioned I think I'd shoot= for 3 1/2&quot; as the upper limit. <br> <br> Eric <BR> </html>  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Free stuff.... From: "Frank Vanaman" <fvanaman@speakeasy.org> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:40:09 -0500   Hi Ron--   I might know someone here in Baltimore who's interested in the console, if you haven't had any takers. He's not on e-mail, however, so I've no idea how fast I can get through to him.   Frank   PS- want some chimes?!?   Ron Natalie wrote: > > Likewise, I have an entire Allen C2 console (25 note pedalboard) gutted > and ready for midi conversion in Northern Virginia free for coming and > get it. > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Er, ah, ooops. From: "Frank Vanaman" <fvanaman@speakeasy.org> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:58:51 -0500   Hi List-   Sorry to bore you all with what had hopefully been a private e-mail gone public. Silly me, some lists I'm on, the default sends an e-mail to the original poster, while others (er, like this one) send to the list.   In other news, my more recent web page at mindspring is down and gone for good, 'though I've got an older version up temporarily at:   http://216.254.23.29   You can see a few pix of my mostly-home-constructed 4 manual single stop-rail horseshoe console. The newer page had a more finished picture which this one lacks, and I'll try to get that back under control in a few days or so.   Frank Vanaman Baltimore, MD  
(back) Subject: newer news From: "Frank Vanaman" <fvanaman@speakeasy.org> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:51:56 -0500   Hi everyone again-   I got industrious and found the newer version of my web page and stuffed it up into the server. It includes the more 'finished' console pictuir, in addition to other miscellaneous stuff around the house.   http://216.254.23.29/   Eventually, the 'projects' page will be broken up into a plurality of independent sections, i.e., organ, synthesis, house remuddling, and so on.   All for now. Frank Vanaman Baltimore, MD  
(back) Subject: Fwd: Pipes and parts avalable From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 21:26:11 -0600   This just appeared on PipeChat in case anyone is interested in what he has   David   >From: Prestant16@aol.com >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:17:50 EST >Subject: Pipes and parts avalable >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Sender: <pipechat@pipechat.org> >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >Hello eveyone, > I have collected so much pipe organ parts that I have to get rid of = some >of it, and I'm letting it go very cheap. If you have any questions about >anything, please don't hesitate to contact me privately. I'm glad to = answer >questions you have about the appropriateness of any stops that might work = in >your project. >Here is the list: > >Pipes: >8' Viol Diap. bass pipes, broken set, abour 14 pipes $15 >8' Dulciana Hook and Hastings, need cleaning $250 >8' Diapason W. A. Johson 1865, poor condition $50 >8' Gamba, Hook and Hastings, need a good cleaning $50 >8' St'd Diap, W. A. Johnson 1865 $175 >8' Flute Celeste II broken rank and damaged pipes > E. M. Skinner 1922 $100 >4' Melodia (tapered), unknown $35 >4' Gross Flute, broken rank, Estey $30 >4' Gedeckt, Metal, was quintadena, Aeolian 37p $150 >4' Bourdon, M. P. Moller, spotted metal $300 >4' Octave, parts of W. A. Johnson 1865 $70 >2' Harmonic Flute Hook and Hastings, needs work > some pipes missing $60 >4' Principal, unknown, spotted, made of a couple of different > ranks, one fill in bass pipe. $120 >4' R. Flute (wood), broken, Austin $30 >1 3/5' Tierce broken, pipes need work, would work good > as a mixture rank, principal tone) $50 >8' String Basses, Aeolian Co. $20 >8' Vox, Pilcher (resonators missing, good blocks, reeds > tounges, shalotts, boots) $75 >8' Vox , C. Beutrey (painted silver) $75 >Various wood pipes $30 >8' Melodia bass, 12 st'd, 15 open, a few st'd pipes seem > to be different scale, but blend well $35 >Various common and spotted pieps $20 >12 note treble to st'd flute, inv. mouths $15 > >Parts: >2m keyboard wicks, no springs $50 >2m keyboard Hook, slight damage, ivory $75 >2m keyboard mechanical, very good, may be Simmons $100 >1/2 hp spencer, like new $450 >1 stop 73n ep, unknown builder $120 >1 stop 73n ep, " " $120 >walnut bench, rail missing, needs finishing $30 >32n pedalboard, ok condition $50 >reed org, keyboard incomplete, great ivories $40 >Pallet springs (44), from 1865 Johnson $20 >Aeolian Magnets (61) $75 >Flex tubing, various lengths and dia., approx 30 ft. $15 >Lead/Tin metal, about 50 lbs. $20 >Klann stopkey unit, for parts, $20 >2 feeders, $40 >Small res , Moller, for swell shades $70 >Pipe Trays, various sizes $10/each >Wood squares from 1865 Johnson, many broken $20 for all of them >Pipe tray racks, for approx. 28 trays $50 >12 note, 5 stop slider chest, new, but not great cond. $100 >Various cast flanges $20 for all >Rack pins, about 50, from 1865 Johnson $20 for all >2 stop pedal chest, Aeolian Co. $100 > > >As usual, packing costs $10/hr plus lumber for crates if I run out of = wood. >Most Items can be shipped UPS. > >-William Catanesye > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Intro and questions From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 06:20:50 -0600   "Blackwell, Mike (WTC/Lisle)" wrote:   > Hello from Mike Blackwell. . . > > > As a first question - What range of wind pressures is considered > acceptable for a residence organ? In this particular case, a > small residence.   A friend of mine in Colorado who has experience with several old organs brought back to life says to start with whatever it comes with (assuming you get the windchests, too) and then reduce the wind pressure until it quits playing. Since you are moving the Austin from a church setting to a residence, it becomes a very personal thing. Ultimately, the combination of wind pressure, scaling, and voicing will all work together to determine the sound that results.   Reducing the wind pressure is the easiest of those factors to change. Scaling is fixed. Voicing is very touchy and not advised unless you have no other alternatives.   If you succeed in reducing some loudness by reducing the wind pressure and it is still too much, try "shading" the organ. This is done with what is easiest to describe as a slat-rack with the cracks between the slats only 1 inch wide (or less). This provides a fixed blockage of sound that acts somewhat like a swell shutter that is only open a little bit. It also simulates the effect of a set of display pipes.   Good luck with the project. It will take a bit of staying power to get it all together but will be well worth it to hear your wife play.   Appreciatively, F. Richard Burt effarbee@home.com          
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fwd: Pipes and parts avalable From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 06:40:26 -0600   David Scribner wrote:   > This just appeared on PipeChat in case anyone is interested > in what he has. > > David > * * * > >As usual, packing costs $10/hr plus lumber for crates if I run > >out of wood. Most Items can be shipped UPS. > > > >-William Catanesye   First question: where are you located and can we pick things up at your place rather than ship?   F. Richard Burt Dorian Organ Sales and Service Post Office Box 522 Garland, TX 75045-0522 972-530-7601 or 972-675-9035 (both ring on my desk) effarbee@home.com        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] how much W.P.? From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:34:08 EST   Hi ,one thing you have to consider when setting wind preasure ,how the = pipe's sound and speak.When the pipes are made new they are set up on a voicing machine at a certain w.p.When you lower the w.p. to much,speacking becomes =   slow,the thing I ran into was the diapason's started sounding like = flutes.You can go through and close toes and close the mothes,moving the langwed then = re voice the whole rank.Lott's of work and you need some one who has that voicing ear.I have been lucky enough to find some one who has the ear to = work with.I am the toe and mouth adjuster and he is the ear's,sitt's on his = butt at the console,,but thats the place where you want it to sound best,since = you will be the player and the listner most times.   Dennis Allen  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] how much W.P.? From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:34:40 -0500   Dennis wrote:   >You can go through and close toes and close the mothes,moving the langwed >then re >voice the whole rank.   The cutups on the pipes also affect on how low a WP they will work on , also the harmonic development.   Eric        
(back) Subject: parts available From: "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@untraveledroad.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:30:02 -0700   Hello,   I have a few odds and ends of little consequence which I could easily be parted with:   1. A tiny windchest with 5 top note magnets on it. 2. A 56 note stop switch , Moller 3. A 61 note stop switch , Moller 4. two reversible relays (I don't know what to call this, but it is a solenoid which moves a small mechanism to remember an on and off state.), Moller 5. Other electronic relays and gang switches, from a Moller console. These and item 4 all come in cute, soundproofed wood boxes. 6. The bottom 20 notes of an 8' flute (reputedly EM Skinner).   Kelvin Smith