DIYAPASON-L Digest #54 - Monday, March 6, 2000
 
Rank layout
  by "John Haskey" <johnh@haskey.net>
Pipe Organ for sale
  by "james turner" <JTTUNER@webtv.net>
Re: Throw away solder guns!
  by <TheGluePot@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  solder guns
  by "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu>
RE: [Residence Organs]  solder guns
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  solder guns
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  solder guns
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Rank layout
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  solder guns
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  solder guns
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  solder guns
  by "Jimmy" <jrbaird@erols.com>
Re: soldering irons on windlines & pipe mitres
  by <TheGluePot@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  solder guns
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  solder guns
  by "Jerry Smith" <smithj@iamerica.net>
 

(back) Subject: Rank layout From: "John Haskey" <johnh@haskey.net> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:05:34 -0800 (PST)     Hi, I recently acquired the following pipework:   8' Open Diapason 8' Melodia 4' Octave 4' Flute 2 2/3 Twelfth 2' Fifteenth 8' Trumpet   8' Geigen Prinipal 8' Dulciana 8' Stopped Diapason 8' Gamba 4' Celestina 2' Piccolo 1 3/5 Tierce 8' Oboe   In addition to the pipework I also received the toe and rack boards for the above listed ranks. Originally these pipes sat on slider chests. I'm planning on building direct electric style chests. Two 7 or 8 rank chests would be pretty large and unwieldy in my opinion. But how small should I go? One rank per chest? Two? Three? The Twelfth/Fifteenth and the Celestina/Piccolo combinations each share a toe board. Obviously I want to re-use the toe and rack boards if at all possible.   Any words of wisdom out there? ---john.   --- John Haskey johnh@haskey.net    
(back) Subject: Pipe Organ for sale From: "james turner" <JTTUNER@webtv.net> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:50:43 -0500 (EST)   A church in Northern Indiana have asked me to sell their Steiner Reck pipe organ. It is 24 ranks all straight ranks except the trumpet which is unified on both manuals and pedal. Everythin is SR except the console which is Wicks. The organ is currently playing well. I do not know the date of the organ as it was bought used maybe 15 to 20 years ago. The asking price is $6,000.   Great Mixture III Octave 4' Spitz Octave 2' Gedeckt Flute 4' Rhor Flute 8' Principal 8' Nasat 2 2/3' t.c. Trumpete 8'   Swell Spitz Flute 8' Celeste 8' Rohr Flute 4' Octave 2' Sesquialtera t.c. II Trompete 8'   Pedal Sub Bass 16' Open Bass 8' Stopped Bass 8' Choral Bass 4' Gemshorn 2' Mixture III (Poaune 16' sw) (Klarine 4' sw)   The church is interested in getting the organ out as soon as possible.   Jim Turner    
(back) Subject: Re: Throw away solder guns! From: <TheGluePot@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:26:53 EST   Since the soldering gun tips can get extremely hot, they many times = transmit enough heat to the wire to burn the wood around the wire. This is not = good organ work. The excessive heat also causes oxidation of the pin and the solder so a good connection is not always possible. Another problem with = the gun is the duty cycle (on time vs. off time to cool). Guns are meant to = have a low percentage duty cycle or they can get very hot themselves and will = burn out with constant useage. Use a temperature controlled iron like the = Weller WTCPN Model. An added advantage is that coated tips may be used which = resist alloying erosion. As for the soldering gun, the cheap copper tips = alloying with the solder both eats the tip and makes the soldered joint less than perfect. Lastly, use a good brand of solder like Ersin Multicore, NEVER = any of the acid core cheaper brands.   Al Sefl   p.s.: OK, save the soldering gun for fixing the wife's lamp.  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] solder guns From: "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:23:37 -0600   Good Monday morning to all.   I purchased a small soldering iron from Radio Shack. It is small and will not get tiring after hours and hours of soldering. I "burn out" the = points often and have to replace them. The same original iron is still in use. = I has soldered all the 1,408 valves within my chests (both + and -), the junction boards that the wires from the chests connect to, and all of my relay. I have a Z-tronics relay that requires a lot of soldering on the driver boards as well as the boards within the console. I use the small points that look like a small screw driver. Being so light weight and small, it made things easier to do close soldering, like on the driver boards. Again, the points need to be replaced often.   When I have had the chance to help out a couple of builder friends, that = is what they always pull from their portable tool box for us to use.   Everyone have a great week and keep those projects going!!!   Craig Elders   > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Eversman [SMTP:highnote@mhtc.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 7:42 AM > To: DIYAPASON > Subject: [Residence Organs] solder guns > > I am in need of a new solder gun. My last one was a Weller 8200n which = had > a trigger, that gets tiring after 61 pins ! Plus I never felt that it = got > hot enough. Please recommend a top quality solder gun well suited for = pipe > organ use. > > Thanks, > Robert Eversman > Mineral Point WI > highnote@mhtc.net > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] solder guns From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:08:19 -0500   Good morning all,   We have a couple of the temperature regulated soldering irons here at work. They are very nice to use as they heat up quickly and keep a steady temperature, also they are light and easy to handle. A bit expensive though, around $100 but worth it if alot of soldering is to be done, such as an organ. Most electronic outlets carry these.   As far as guns go, I have had to retighten the tip often or heating power would suffer. Apparently a high resistance develops in the tip connections through the repeated heating and cooling. I use a gun only on large connections where an iron doesn't have enough heating power.   Eric         > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Eversman [SMTP:highnote@mhtc.net] > > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 7:42 AM > > To: DIYAPASON > > Subject: [Residence Organs] solder guns > > > > I am in need of a new solder gun. My last one was a Weller 8200n which = had > > a trigger, that gets tiring after 61 pins ! Plus I never felt that it = got > > hot enough. Please recommend a top quality solder gun well suited for = pipe > > organ use.    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] solder guns From: "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:26:22 -0800   While on the subject of soldering, has anyone had luck with soldering guns = for pipe work, as in mitering? I have heard that for pipework only really heavy irons are = satisfactory, and large irons seem to be hard to find these days. Is there a modern substitute for the = plumbers iron that had to be heated by a blowtorch?   Mac Hayes        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] solder guns From: "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:35:39 -0500       Mac Hayes wrote: > > While on the subject of soldering, has anyone had luck with soldering = guns for pipe work, as in > mitering? I have heard that for pipework only really heavy irons are = satisfactory, and large irons > seem to be hard to find these days. Is there a modern substitute for = the plumbers iron that had to > be heated by a blowtorch?   In the AGO video tapes I have (and it's accompanying printed material) = Nelson Barden recommends the Hexcell electric iron (essentially look slike the plumbers iron with a = cord coming out the handle). He also demostrates squashing pipes flat to use for solder = :-)   Anyhow, I have a related question. I have only a limitted amount of wind = line to solder up, and I was wondering if I could just use my propane torch = (I've got lots of experience sweating copper pipes with it). I'll be working on the = concrete floor of my basement so fire issues with the open flame is not an issue.   -Ron  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Rank layout From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:37:51 EST   Hello John, the only word's of advice, as I have been told by those that know, if you have one chest per division put the reed in the most = reachable spot to get at the tuning wires and the bell's. Robert Morton used Barton chest's some times and they were single rank I think, just a lot of wind lines to hook up. I have a 6 rank Austin style chest, 6 rank d.e. chest& the choir = is getting a 5 rank and 3 rank chest plus off set's.the choir is two chest's = be cause wind pres. diff. 4.5 5r and 3 for the 3r.Don't for get about the power the d.e. magnet's require.  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] solder guns From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:42:33 EST   You need to be really light on the torche to do wind lines out off tin.I = have a heavy duty Weller soldering iron for wind lines.I tried a soldering gun = but burned the tip's endlessly.If you don't want to by one you can borrow mine = it will not see use for a few month's.   Dennis  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] solder guns From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:46:44 EST   Hi ,I have used a weller heavy duty iron to do pipes.I have a real live = pipe iron from thee organ guy down the hill.I have to demiter 5or 6 = 8'diyapason's soon I will let you know how that went(oh jghakjudafsif;jxk) I am nervus about the pipes are perfect for the room but they were made for a short = 6'6" over head.   Dennis  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] solder guns From: "Jimmy" <jrbaird@erols.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:13:02 -0500   Mac Hayes wrote: > > While on the subject of soldering, has anyone had luck with soldering = guns for pipe work, as in > mitering?   I use an electric 250 watt iron. Works great. I've had this iron for about 30 or so years, so don't know who sells them now. Jimmy  
(back) Subject: Re: soldering irons on windlines & pipe mitres From: <TheGluePot@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:26:18 EST   Using a propane torch on windlines is a problematic use of the tool. Too much heat and the metal oxidizes over so that you cannot get solder to adhere. Too little and the flow will not go into the seams correctly. Getting the temperature *just* right is a problem. With an iron the temperature is correct at the start. I have a series of American Beauty irons that have served me for over 45 years. They do still make them and with "clad* tips they can last forever.   A word of warning: Do NOT use an acid based flux in an inclosed area. = The worst are the hydrochloric acid based liquid fluxes that eat up zinc = pipes, tarnish normal pipe metal, rust everything made of iron in the organ, and = eat your lungs. One of the basic rules of soldering in the organ industry is start with a clean clean clean surface so the solder will wet, stick, and alloy completely. Very little flux is needed this way.   I have both bench-gas-furnace heated and electrically heated pipe = "soldering coppers." For mitred joints on pipes the professional electric iron with = the ability to use a variable voltage supply (i.e. cheap lamp dimmer from Ace Hardware) to bring the heat to the exact point where the eutectic solder melts but not the pipe IS the greatest thing since sliced bread. Checking =   the temperature by melting different solders on a brick worked OK but electrical regulation is better by far. Once you set it you can work and forget it. Al Sefl  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] solder guns From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:12:15 -0500   I have a pipe-solderers iron I purchased from Organ Supply. The "tip" = -more like a slab of copper is about 1 inch wide and 3 inches long. File and = taper to suit. I comes in two wattages, and US or European voltages.   Rick        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] solder guns From: "Jerry Smith" <smithj@iamerica.net> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 02:03:25 -0600   Could you please remove my name from this server for the month while I am = out on vacation.. Thanks Jerry