DIYAPASON-L Digest #69 - Sunday, March 26, 2000
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Blower progress
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Blower progress
  by "Brian  Graham" <briangraham@earthlink.net>
Shipping Consoles and other large items
  by "Dave McClellan" <drmc@speedfactory.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Shipping Consoles and other large items
  by "Louis Huivenaar" <louis.huivenaar@wxs.nl>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Shipping Consoles and other large items
  by "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@untraveledroad.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Shipping Consoles and other large items
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Shipping Consoles and other large items
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Shipping Consoles and other large items-more
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Shipping Consoles and other large items
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Blower progress From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 06:31:44 -0800   At 22:12 03/25/2000 -0000, Brian Graham wrote: >I finally got to hear the Good Ol' Orgoblo power up this afternoon.     Congrats, Brian! That's a MAJOR step!     >I may buy >one of those "cow pads" for my big boney old dog, so he has something >more comfortable to rest on.   Doesn't he know about the sofa? ;-)   >The solid state phase converter I ordered from Grizzly works great.   Who is/are "Grizzly"? Do they have a web site?   Regards,   Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA   NAWCC 140818   http://www.jps.net/rrloesch   alternate email: cuckoobob@eudoramail.com   Time flies whether you're having fun or not!      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Blower progress From: "Brian Graham" <briangraham@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:41:22 -0000   John Bowers asked how to get more info. on "Grizzly" for phase converters. The catalog I ordered from them has tons of great tools. The phase converters take up exactly one page of one of their 2 approx. 250 page catalogs (it's in the electrical motors section).     http://www.grizzlyindustrial.com/   1/800/523-4777   Autogen Model G5842 (solid state static phase converter for 2-5 HP motor) - $184.95.   It only gives 70% efficiency, so if you need all of your blower capacity you might need a rotary phase converter (also available from the same people for considerably more money, $699.95 in my case).   I could also buy a motor from the local electrical repair shop to use as a "slave" motor with the converter I bought to increase the efficiency (I've read this on the net, and it's actually in the instructions that = came with the static phase converter also. I think this is basically what you get with the rotary model for $700.)   -Brian         ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bowers" <JABowers@execpc.com> To: <briangraham@earthlink.net> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Blower progress     > Hi Brian, great news, but two quick questions. > 1] Who and where is Grizzly? > 2] What model did you get? > > John > > > Brian Graham wrote: > > Finally, after . . . buying a phase converter . . . I finally > > got to hear the Good Ol' Orgoblo power up this afternoon. > > > > -Brian Graham > > > > PS The solid state phase converter I ordered from Grizzly > > works great. > >    
(back) Subject: Shipping Consoles and other large items From: "Dave McClellan" <drmc@speedfactory.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:49:14 -0500   Is there a way to ship an organ console? Are there moving companies who will pickup and deliver a console that is not crated? Are there companies out there that specialize in moving pianos and organs, and that will work with individuals (vs. dealers)?   I am guessing that it is not practical to utilize freight shipment unless the console were properly crated and packed. I am also guessing that it would be very difficult to utilize a moving company if only shipping a single item.   Thanks, Dave      
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Shipping Consoles and other large items From: "Louis Huivenaar" <louis.huivenaar@wxs.nl> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 22:59:44 +0200   I'm just also bissy wht that for shipment of a 3 mp M&H reedorgan to the states.   They need to be crated, I can tell you, insurances are very straight in = it.   There are special shipment companies who are specialized in piano's and organs. I also have to find them now. But they are excisting.   Louis Huivenaar Netherlands Harmonium and Reedorgan restorer Appraiser under Oath for Harmoniums and Reedorgans in Europe +31 75 684 4858 ( Tel/Fax Factory) +31 75 684 6552 ( Privat) +31 653 117 697 ( Mobil) Website: www.harmoniums.com     -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]Namens Dave McClellan Verzonden: zondag 26 maart 2000 22:49 Aan: Residence Organ List Onderwerp: [Residence Organs] Shipping Consoles and other large items   Is there a way to ship an organ console? Are there moving companies who will pickup and deliver a console that is not crated? Are there companies out there that specialize in moving pianos and organs, and that will work with individuals (vs. dealers)?   I am guessing that it is not practical to utilize freight shipment unless the console were properly crated and packed. I am also guessing that it would be very difficult to utilize a moving company if only shipping a single item.   Thanks, Dave       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Shipping Consoles and other large items From: "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@untraveledroad.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:32:37 -0700   >Is there a way to ship an organ console? Are there moving companies who >will pickup and deliver a console that is not crated? Are there = companies >out there that specialize in moving pianos and organs, and that will work >with individuals (vs. dealers)? > >I am guessing that it is not practical to utilize freight shipment unless >the console were properly crated and packed. I am also guessing that it >would be very difficult to utilize a moving company if only shipping a >single item.   I had a piano moving company ship my 4 manual console. I had it picked up in Maryland and shipped to Idaho. They did not crate it and it arrived in good condition. It was a bit expensive, but I couldn't have done it myself any cheaper. The company is named Modern Piano Moving, out of Cincinati.   Kelvin      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Shipping Consoles and other large items From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:07:31 -0600   At 3/26/00 03:49 PM, Dave McClellan wrote: >Is there a way to ship an organ console? Are there moving companies who >will pickup and deliver a console that is not crated? Are there = companies >out there that specialize in moving pianos and organs, and that will work >with individuals (vs. dealers)?   Yes, Dave, I think there are such companies out there. You might check with a local piano or electronic organ dealership, to inquire who they use to do such moving. Perhaps you'd have to retain a firm local to the current location of the console, but maybe not, as it'd seem that there'd be a round-trip of some sort required anyway, whether the truck traveled empty 'coming' or 'going'.   >I am guessing that it is not practical to utilize freight shipment unless >the console were properly crated and packed. I am also guessing that it >would be very difficult to utilize a moving company if only shipping a >single item.   It might be easier than you think to find a 'furniture-moving' outfit willing to work with you -- and such firms are much more suited to taking proper care of a console during the move, I'd think. After all, lots of people (that aren't dealers) move pianos around...and the typical organ console is a *lot* lighter, even if slightly bulkier. Maybe you should check with someone in your area that deals in large items of antique furniture -- they might be able to offer a good suggestion, too.   I'd avoid the 'freight shippers' if I was you -- even *if* it is = thoroughly crated, etc. It's been my experience shipping and receiving pipe crates and other large, heavy, and fragile items (but not consoles per se) that these companies tend to beat the living h*** out of everything they touch -- no matter how well any given item is packed and marked fragile. They seem to just have too much total volume of merchandise going every which way to really care about any particular item...and their insurance = carriers are well-versed in finding ways *not* to reimburse you for whatever damage they ultimately *do* cause. The 'freight shippers' could possibly be cheaper...if you don't mind your console arriving stabbed thru from a forklift-tine somewhere along the way...but I'd bet you'd rather it arrive intact!! <G>   Now, if you were shipping, say, an old Orgoblo...go for the trucking co. They can't hurt something like that too much...but be prepared to have it dumped off in your driveway for you to deal with from there...their = drivers *hate* having to exert any extra effort whatsoever...   Good luck!! Do let us know what you find!!   Tim B.    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Shipping Consoles and other large items From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:01:36 -0500   Hi Dave- I had my Conn console, bench, pedal board drop- shipped by North American Van Lines- uncrated.   It was in Florida and NA van lines was going up to Indy, so they just = threw it on (not really), and heaved it off the truck when they drove past my house (not really, either). It cost me about $600.00- and not a scratch on anything.   Often times, van lines companies will add to their load if they're going = in your direction.   Rick        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Shipping Consoles and other large items-more From: <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 23:27:55 EST   In a message dated 3/26/00 8:05:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, tmbovard@arkansas.net writes:   << Now, if you were shipping, say, an old Orgoblo...go for the trucking = co. They can't hurt something like that too much...but be prepared to have it dumped off in your driveway for you to deal with from there...their = drivers *hate* having to exert any extra effort whatsoever... >> I'd like to add my two cents worth here. A couple of years ago I purchased = a baby orgoblo from an organ builder in the midwest, and he shipped it via = his regular freight carrier. When I got notification from the freight company that it had arrived, my choices were two---pay them an extra $75.00 to deliver it in a van to my door,,,or pick it up at the terminal 40 miles = away. I picked it up,,,good thing it was very securely and professionally crated,,,cause it was manhandled badly in my view from the warehouse to = the dock where my truck was,,,and,,,,as it turned out,,,,the shipping costs = were 2 and a half times what I paid for the blower, the shipper seemed as surprised as anyone as well at the cost. Later in conversation with = Spencer Turbine, I found out that in the "good ole days" they shipped with the specific notation, and at a rate commensurate---as "organ blowing = machinery on skids" , and they indicated that the "on skids" meant something = specific in the rate determination, but I have no idea whether or not the rate can still be utilized. It would seem today,,,that if one is not a trained rate =   clerk, one is at the mercy of the various trucking companies for "one = off" shipments. Anyone else have any knowledge in this field? Regards, ---Roc  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Shipping Consoles and other large items From: "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:28:29 -0800   Dave McClellan wrote:   > Is there a way to ship an organ console?   A few years back I had a big kimball 3M console delivered to me by Wheaton = Van Lines, and it arrived uncrated, and in good condition. It was about a 500 mile trip. But that was, lets see now, oh, wow, 29 years ago. You may = not be able to find a commercial company willing to ship that way nowadays.   Mac Hayes