DIYAPASON-L Digest #186 - Tuesday, November 14, 2000
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  The Organ Room...
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  flutes for specific purposes?
  by "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  flutes for specific purposes?
  by "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: [Residence Organs] Re: A flute for every  pur
  by "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: [Residence Organs] A flute for  everypurpose 
  by "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: [Residence Organs] A flute for	everypurpose  
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: [Residence Organs] A flutefor	everypurpose   
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: [Residence Organs] A  flutefor everypurpose  
  by "Jon" <sparky@chesco.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: [Residence Organs]	Aflutefor	everypurpose   u
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: [Residence Organs] A 	fluteforeverypurpose   
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Vox sound
  by "Jon" <sparky@chesco.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Vox sound
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Vox sound
  by "Jon" <sparky@chesco.com>
Flatulance Organum?
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Flatulance Organum?
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  flutes for specific purposes?
  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Flatulance Organum?
  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  The Organ Room...
  by "John Haskey" <johnh@powerinter.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] The Organ Room... From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:11:51 -0500   > > >>The architect has asked if it would be o.k. to have >>two trusses (dividing the ceiling space into 12' segments) to eliminate = the >>need for a long expensive ridge beam. > >I can't imagine any problem, assuming that the trusses are open, >i.e., they don't wall off the areas they occupy. >   I agree. If I were to build a new organ room I would also probably use this method. The other option are scissor trusses, but these are more expensive and also cause more loss in ceiling height, which in my opinion height really adds to the success of an organ room. There is nothing like have the pipes located well above your head.   One other method I've seen used without using trusses is to use steel cables to keep the sidewalls pulled plumb, but this obviously would look tacky. I've seen this used for a large garage, but who would mind in this instance.   Eric    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] flutes for specific purposes? From: "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:57:54 -0800 (PST)   Different timbres is the reason. The stopped flutes emphasize different harmonics than open ones. Stopped flutes have some quintiness to them. The Melodias have a more "hollow" sound quality, especially in the lower rangers that can be less pleasant, though the trebles often sing quite beautifully. Harmonic flutes are double the usual length with a small hole bored in the side 44% of the way up from the upper lip to the end of the speaking length, and the languid is knocked down a little lower - both alterations allow them to speak the octave with another set of harmonics different from the open and stopped flutes.   So having both open and stopped flutes can add a nice variety of sound to an organ. French builders like Cavaille-Coll made it a practice to have a stopped flute (Bourdon) and a harmonic flute (Flute Harmonique) together on the great organ. In fact the swell organs often have harmonic flutes at 8', 4', and 2' which makes for a unique and nice quality.   Hope this helps.   Lou Paff     --- Brian Graham <briangraham@sunflower.com> wrote: > Thanks again for the replies on the earlier flute > question, but one question > I asked got no response, and it was the one I was > most interested in. > > Other than volume level, is there a specific reason > that someone would > specify a stopped flute rather than an open one? > > This organ originally had 3 flutes, Gross, Melodia > and Transverse. When it > was rebuilt and enlarged, a "Stopped Diapason" was > added that's only > slightly softer than the Melodia. Why? > > I know that stopped ranks are sometimes built for > economic or space > conserving reasons (or for that Tibia sound, which > of course this little > stop does not provide), but this organ was > originally in a big house in > Greenwich, CT, so it probably wasn't because it was > a cheap rank, and since > all of the other ranks have haskell basses, the > stopped diapason doesn't > take any less room than the Melodia vertically > (actually, it takes more > space horizontally.) > > Sooooo > > It just made me wonder if there's a really specific > use for this rank in > combination with other ranks. > > I suppose, after I've played the organ long enough, > I'll figure out its > "special purpose", if there is one. Right now the > 1' octave is mysteriously > missing (apparently packed into a tray with another > rank) so until I can > locate those pipes, this rank is just being used to > "shore up" the bass > until the bass offset is functional. > > Hope I didn't bore you too badly. > > Best of luck with all of your projects!! > > -Brian > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and > builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] flutes for specific purposes? From: "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:57:54 -0800 (PST)   Different timbres is the reason. The stopped flutes emphasize different harmonics than open ones. Stopped flutes have some quintiness to them. The Melodias have a more "hollow" sound quality, especially in the lower rangers that can be less pleasant, though the trebles often sing quite beautifully. Harmonic flutes are double the usual length with a small hole bored in the side 44% of the way up from the upper lip to the end of the speaking length, and the languid is knocked down a little lower - both alterations allow them to speak the octave with another set of harmonics different from the open and stopped flutes.   So having both open and stopped flutes can add a nice variety of sound to an organ. French builders like Cavaille-Coll made it a practice to have a stopped flute (Bourdon) and a harmonic flute (Flute Harmonique) together on the great organ. In fact the swell organs often have harmonic flutes at 8', 4', and 2' which makes for a unique and nice quality.   Hope this helps.   Lou Paff     --- Brian Graham <briangraham@sunflower.com> wrote: > Thanks again for the replies on the earlier flute > question, but one question > I asked got no response, and it was the one I was > most interested in. > > Other than volume level, is there a specific reason > that someone would > specify a stopped flute rather than an open one? > > This organ originally had 3 flutes, Gross, Melodia > and Transverse. When it > was rebuilt and enlarged, a "Stopped Diapason" was > added that's only > slightly softer than the Melodia. Why? > > I know that stopped ranks are sometimes built for > economic or space > conserving reasons (or for that Tibia sound, which > of course this little > stop does not provide), but this organ was > originally in a big house in > Greenwich, CT, so it probably wasn't because it was > a cheap rank, and since > all of the other ranks have haskell basses, the > stopped diapason doesn't > take any less room than the Melodia vertically > (actually, it takes more > space horizontally.) > > Sooooo > > It just made me wonder if there's a really specific > use for this rank in > combination with other ranks. > > I suppose, after I've played the organ long enough, > I'll figure out its > "special purpose", if there is one. Right now the > 1' octave is mysteriously > missing (apparently packed into a tray with another > rank) so until I can > locate those pipes, this rank is just being used to > "shore up" the bass > until the bass offset is functional. > > Hope I didn't bore you too badly. > > Best of luck with all of your projects!! > > -Brian > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and > builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] Re: A flute for every purpose under heaven? From: "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:02:23 -0800 (PST)   When it comes right down to it, virtually all organ pipes create sounds not created by any other instrument. An organ oboe does not sound just like an orchestral oboe, nor does a viola, trumpet, etc. A great deal of effort was made in the later 19th century and early 20th century to imitate orchestral sounds, but nobody succeeded fully.   Lou Paff       --- "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com> wrote: > Bob Loesch wrote: > > Organ > tone and foundation tone are the same, yet have two > noun descriptives. It > is that round, open, charactereistic tone that > prevails only in a pipe > organ. No other instrument in the world creates > "organ" tone, or foundaiton > tone. > > Depending on where it occurs in the various stops of > organ tone, it will > be more or less harmonicly developed, depending on > the touch of the voicer. > > String tone is of course developed with a lot of > rich harmonics in the upper > partials, but not to the total neglect of the > fundamental. > > So one class of hybrids develop a tone that is > between organ tone (foundation) > and string tone. A "foundational" gemshorn will > ususally fall into this > class. > > Hybrid tone is not limited to string and organ tone. > They also can be found > in well developed examples between organ tone and > flute tone. So, just to > say that this or that stop is a hybrid may still > leave you wondering what it > might sound like. > > To illustrate the point, I was asked to describe a > Klarabel last week. > I said that it was an organ tone that lies very > close to becoming an > open flute. This week I picked up an open flute > that was almost a > principal. If I were to use this open flute in an > organ and called > it a Klarabel (German spelling, I think) or a > Clarabella (Italian spelling, > possibly) I probably could get away with it. It is > a softer, beautiful > sound that would not come from any source other than > a pipe organ. > > I am rather fond of this Klarabel and will probably > spend more time > with it as my ideas develop. > > Well, ....that's a long way from describing a > gemshorn, but the path was > taken to illustrate that the actual tone developed > is the result of > the voicer's touch. > > F. Richard Burt > effarbee@home.com > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and > builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] A flute for everypurpose under heaven? From: "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:08:09 -0800 (PST)   I'll throw in my $.02 worth. If you're going to build a flute celeste don't put the ranks right next to each other - flutes tend to draw into tune with other ranks. So have some seperation between them so that they will celeste.   Lou Paff   --- Tim Bovard <tmbovard@arkansas.net> wrote: > At 11/6/00 02:15 PM, Eric quoted F. Richard, and > added: > > >> > >>Tonally, celestes should never be built with > stopped pipes, except when > >>a very particular type of sound is desired. Flute > celestes should be > >>built on open pipes: Melodia, Flauto Dolce, > Clarabella, Hohlfl=F6te, etc. > >> > > > >How about a Rhor flute? I would call this a > partially stopped flute. > >I'm almost sure the Allen I had had a celeste with > its Rhor flute. > > > >Eric > > > Hi, Eric! > > The reason that Richard cautions against 'stopped > flute celestes' is > because of differences in the harmonic overtone > series of stopped flutes > vs. open ones. Aurally, stopped celestes do indeed > tend to sound just a > bit 'off' (of the average, that is -- as Larry > points out, there is > occasionally reason for doing it anyway, when this > sort of sound is > desired). The harmonic series of any stopped pipe > (or 'partially-stopped' > one) is quite different than that of an open pipe -- > this is a function of > the physics of organ pipes in general, and results > in the odd "sound". The > harmonic series of a stopped pipe eliminates (by its > construction and > physics of operation) certain overtones that are > necessary for a "usual" > celeste effect. > > Basically, in order for a celeste-tuned rank to > sound its best, the rank > should be constructed in a very similar fashion to > that rank with which it > is to celeste. Minor differences in scale are > common (the celeste rank is > often a note or two smaller) but pipe construction > should be the same -- > such that the harmonic series of the 2 ranks is > similar. > > As to your reference to a Rohrflute Celeste on an > Allen...well, we all know > that toaster manufacturers don't "play by the same > rules" that Pipe Organ > builders do...(and all the stops on those things > tend to sound the same > anyway, at least after a few years). For that > matter, in a toaster, the > sounds of the various stops usually all come from a > very limited number of > generators -- a flute is a flute is a flute is a > flute...detuned or not. I > recall an Allen that I used to practice upon...it > had a couple tabs labeled > simply "celeste tuning" -- which would de-tune *any* > other stop which it > was used with. "Tuba Celeste", anyone??? How 'bout > "Tierce > Celeste"...???? <lol> > > Am I alone in guessing that that fact is part of the > reason why all of us > belong to this List (as folks who desire their own > *real* organs) instead > of settling for the plug-in substitute (which we > could all *easily* obtain, > without all the bother of building our own real > organs)...? > > Despite the slight "editorial"...<G>...I hope this > helps explain things! > > CHEERS! > > Tim Bovard > Little Rock AR > > > > > > > > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and > builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] A flute for everypurpose under heaven? From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:54:31 -0600   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Hi Guys=20   here is my $.02 worth if you are going to have a flute celeste always = better to have a rank separate them plant an other ranks in-between the = flu and the celeste this to me breaks up the two ranks but when played = dose let the celeste sound properly=20   Question=20 has any one ever seen or know how to wire a 16 vox humana or to wire one = down to the tenner c in the pedal=20   thanks john       >>> paffh@yahoo.com 11/14/00 11:08AM >>> I'll throw in my $.02 worth. If you're going to build a flute celeste don't put the ranks right next to each other - flutes tend to draw into tune with other ranks. So have some seperation between them so that they will celeste.   Lou Paff   --- Tim Bovard <tmbovard@arkansas.net> wrote: > At 11/6/00 02:15 PM, Eric quoted F. Richard, and > added: >=20 > >> > >>Tonally, celestes should never be built with > stopped pipes, except when > >>a very particular type of sound is desired. Flute > celestes should be > >>built on open pipes: Melodia, Flauto Dolce, > Clarabella, Hohlfl=F6te, etc. > >> > > > >How about a Rhor flute? I would call this a > partially stopped flute.=20 > >I'm almost sure the Allen I had had a celeste with > its Rhor flute. > > > >Eric >=20 >=20 > Hi, Eric! >=20 > The reason that Richard cautions against 'stopped > flute celestes' is > because of differences in the harmonic overtone > series of stopped flutes > vs. open ones. Aurally, stopped celestes do indeed > tend to sound just a > bit 'off' (of the average, that is -- as Larry > points out, there is > occasionally reason for doing it anyway, when this > sort of sound is > desired). The harmonic series of any stopped pipe > (or 'partially-stopped' > one) is quite different than that of an open pipe -- > this is a function of > the physics of organ pipes in general, and results > in the odd "sound". The > harmonic series of a stopped pipe eliminates (by its > construction and > physics of operation) certain overtones that are > necessary for a "usual" > celeste effect.=20 >=20 > Basically, in order for a celeste-tuned rank to > sound its best, the rank > should be constructed in a very similar fashion to > that rank with which it > is to celeste. Minor differences in scale are > common (the celeste rank is > often a note or two smaller) but pipe construction > should be the same -- > such that the harmonic series of the 2 ranks is > similar. >=20 > As to your reference to a Rohrflute Celeste on an > Allen...well, we all know > that toaster manufacturers don't "play by the same > rules" that Pipe Organ > builders do...(and all the stops on those things > tend to sound the same > anyway, at least after a few years). For that > matter, in a toaster, the > sounds of the various stops usually all come from a > very limited number of > generators -- a flute is a flute is a flute is a > flute...detuned or not. I > recall an Allen that I used to practice upon...it > had a couple tabs labeled > simply "celeste tuning" -- which would de-tune *any* > other stop which it > was used with. "Tuba Celeste", anyone??? How 'bout > "Tierce > Celeste"...???? <lol>=20 >=20 > Am I alone in guessing that that fact is part of the > reason why all of us > belong to this List (as folks who desire their own > *real* organs) instead > of settling for the plug-in substitute (which we > could all *easily* obtain, > without all the bother of building our own real > organs)...? >=20 > Despite the slight "editorial"...<G>...I hope this > helps explain things! >=20 > CHEERS! >=20 > Tim Bovard > Little Rock AR >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and > builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20 >=20     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/=20   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] A flutefor everypurpose under heaven? From: "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:57:06 -0500       Jon Calvo wrote:   > has any one ever seen or know how to wire a 16 vox humana or to wire one = down to the tenner c in the pedal > Do you really want a 16' VOX HUMANA? Even the low end of the 8' one I = have is a bit flatulant. You could wire the 8' to the pedal, but how to do so = would really depend on what your switching is like.  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] A flutefor everypurpose under heaven? From: "Jon" <sparky@chesco.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:10:30 -0500   At a funeral home where I play occasionally, it is possible to end up with a vox humana on the pedal if the right couplers are pressed. Take my word for it - you do not want this effect!   Jon Buchanan     >Jon Calvo wrote: > >> has any one ever seen or know how to wire a 16 vox humana or to wire = one >>down to the tenner c in the pedal >> >Do you really want a 16' VOX HUMANA? Even the low end of the 8' one I = have is >a bit flatulant. You could wire the 8' to the pedal, but how to do so = would >really depend on what your switching is like. > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] Aflutefor everypurpose under heaven? From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:08:50 -0600   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   well yes I do want one what I was going to do is wire one from the 8 ft = down to the TC16 ft pitch I know it can be done I have herd a really nice = 16 vox=20 and yes it dose have it own sound " Distinct sound to say the least " I wish I could find a TC16 ft bottom octave of a Vox , I once herd a = beautiful Kilgen organ that had a beautiful Vox=20 but then again I am partial to Kilgen=20   thanks john       >>> ron@sensor.com 11/14/00 11:57AM >>>     Jon Calvo wrote:   > has any one ever seen or know how to wire a 16 vox humana or to wire one = down to the tenner c in the pedal >=20 Do you really want a 16' VOX HUMANA? Even the low end of the 8' one I = have is a bit flatulant. You could wire the 8' to the pedal, but how to do so = would really depend on what your switching is like.   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] A fluteforeverypurpose under heaven? From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:11:24 -0600   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Jon you said coupler that is the magic key this unit organ I have has no = couplers=20 that could be the problem what combination do you use to get this 16 ft = effect in the pedal=20 thanks john       >>> sparky@chesco.com 11/14/00 12:10PM >>> At a funeral home where I play occasionally, it is possible to end up with a vox humana on the pedal if the right couplers are pressed. Take my word for it - you do not want this effect!   Jon Buchanan     >Jon Calvo wrote: > >> has any one ever seen or know how to wire a 16 vox humana or to wire = one >>down to the tenner c in the pedal >> >Do you really want a 16' VOX HUMANA? Even the low end of the 8' one I = have is >a bit flatulant. You could wire the 8' to the pedal, but how to do so = would >really depend on what your switching is like. > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20         DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20        
(back) Subject: Vox sound From: "Jon" <sparky@chesco.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:19:46 -0500   Well this organ actually has a console on it that does not match the = Moller relays in the chamber very well. If one has an 8' "clarinet" (in reality = a vox) open on the swell and a swell to swell 16 coupler, plus a swell to pedal coupler, this produces a sick noise on the pedalboard (not including the bottom octave as there are no 16' pipes in this rank)   jon         >Jon >you said coupler that is the magic key this unit organ I have has no = couplers >that could be the problem what combination do you use to get this 16 ft >effect in the pedal >thanks >john      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Vox sound From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:20:54 -0600   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   yes I know ! you are so kind to call it a sick noise , it has been called = worse=20 I don't have a clarinet I have a Gemshorne , bourdon, salicional , aeolian = ,octave principal , 8 vox out of these stops can you suggest how I might = get the 16 ft vox=20       >>> sparky@chesco.com 11/14/00 12:19PM >>> Well this organ actually has a console on it that does not match the = Moller relays in the chamber very well. If one has an 8' "clarinet" (in reality = a vox) open on the swell and a swell to swell 16 coupler, plus a swell to pedal coupler, this produces a sick noise on the pedalboard (not including the bottom octave as there are no 16' pipes in this rank)   jon         >Jon >you said coupler that is the magic key this unit organ I have has no = couplers >that could be the problem what combination do you use to get this 16 ft >effect in the pedal >thanks >john       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Vox sound From: "Jon" <sparky@chesco.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:28:21 -0500   Without Couplers?   Play an octave lower!   Jon     >yes I know ! you are so kind to call it a sick noise , it has been called >worse >I don't have a clarinet I have a Gemshorne , bourdon, salicional , = aeolian >,octave principal , 8 vox out of these stops can you suggest how I might >get the 16 ft vox      
(back) Subject: Flatulance Organum? From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:25:52 -0800   At 12:57 11/14/2000 -0500, Ron Natalie wrote: >Do you really want a 16' VOX HUMANA? Even the low end of the 8' one I have is >a bit flatulant.     I've gone one (or two) better: I've got a 16' Kinura. That's 1. 2 is: its stop tab is engraved "Gross Phartt"   It is a home-built octave, and is admittedly only suitable for novelty effects, in my unabashedly theatrical organ.     Regards, Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA NAWCC 140818 http://www.jps.net/rrloesch alternate mailto:cuckoobob@eudoramail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Flatulance Organum? From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:48:01 -0600   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   well now wate there is one even better although I have not seen it look in = in the Irwin dictionary of organ stops there they list 64 vox humana yes = guy's I said 64 on the manual and I thought I was in the mininority = wanting a 16 ft=20 oh well=20   john       >>> rrloesch@jps.net 11/14/00 01:25PM >>> At 12:57 11/14/2000 -0500, Ron Natalie wrote: >Do you really want a 16' VOX HUMANA? Even the low end of the 8' one I have is >a bit flatulant.     I've gone one (or two) better: I've got a 16' Kinura. That's 1. 2 is: its stop tab is engraved "Gross Phartt"   It is a home-built octave, and is admittedly only suitable for novelty effects, in my unabashedly theatrical organ.     Regards, Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA=20 NAWCC 140818 http://www.jps.net/rrloesch=20 alternate mailto:cuckoobob@eudoramail.com=20     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] flutes for specific purposes? From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:31:45 -0600   Brian-- The answer to your question was in Henry Paff's excellent response. The purpose of the stopped diapason (flute, gedakt, etc.) is a different tone color. Try it in different situations and with different combinations until you find where you like its sound. That's where it belongs. William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person my dog thinks I am. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com> To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>; "DIYapason-L" <diyapason-l@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] flutes for specific purposes?     > Different timbres is the reason. The stopped flutes > emphasize different harmonics than open ones. Stopped > flutes have some quintiness to them. The Melodias have > a more "hollow" sound quality, especially in the lower > rangers that can be less pleasant, though the trebles > often sing quite beautifully. Harmonic flutes are > double the usual length with a small hole bored in the > side 44% of the way up from the upper lip to the end > of the speaking length, and the languid is knocked > down a little lower - both alterations allow them to > speak the octave with another set of harmonics > different from the open and stopped flutes. > > So having both open and stopped flutes can add a nice > variety of sound to an organ. French builders like > Cavaille-Coll made it a practice to have a stopped > flute (Bourdon) and a harmonic flute (Flute > Harmonique) together on the great organ. In fact the > swell organs often have harmonic flutes at 8', 4', and > 2' which makes for a unique and nice quality. > > Hope this helps. > > Lou Paff > > > --- Brian Graham <briangraham@sunflower.com> wrote: > > Thanks again for the replies on the earlier flute > > question, but one question > > I asked got no response, and it was the one I was > > most interested in. > > > > Other than volume level, is there a specific reason > > that someone would > > specify a stopped flute rather than an open one? > > > > This organ originally had 3 flutes, Gross, Melodia > > and Transverse. When it > > was rebuilt and enlarged, a "Stopped Diapason" was > > added that's only > > slightly softer than the Melodia. Why? > > > > I know that stopped ranks are sometimes built for > > economic or space > > conserving reasons (or for that Tibia sound, which > > of course this little > > stop does not provide), but this organ was > > originally in a big house in > > Greenwich, CT, so it probably wasn't because it was > > a cheap rank, and since > > all of the other ranks have haskell basses, the > > stopped diapason doesn't > > take any less room than the Melodia vertically > > (actually, it takes more > > space horizontally.) > > > > Sooooo > > > > It just made me wonder if there's a really specific > > use for this rank in > > combination with other ranks. > > > > I suppose, after I've played the organ long enough, > > I'll figure out its > > "special purpose", if there is one. Right now the > > 1' octave is mysteriously > > missing (apparently packed into a tray with another > > rank) so until I can > > locate those pipes, this rank is just being used to > > "shore up" the bass > > until the bass offset is functional. > > > > Hope I didn't bore you too badly. > > > > Best of luck with all of your projects!! > > > > -Brian > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and > > builders of their own > > Residence Pipe Organs. > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > http://calendar.yahoo.com/ > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Flatulance Organum? From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:41:39 -0600   Bravo! If only all organ nomenclature was as descriptive (especially the schnarrverke). William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person my dog thinks I am. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:25 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] Flatulance Organum?     > At 12:57 11/14/2000 -0500, Ron Natalie wrote: > >Do you really want a 16' VOX HUMANA? Even the low end of the 8' one I > have is > >a bit flatulant. > > > I've gone one (or two) better: I've got a 16' Kinura. That's 1. > 2 is: its stop tab is engraved "Gross Phartt" > > It is a home-built octave, and is admittedly only suitable for novelty > effects, in my unabashedly theatrical organ. > > > Regards, > Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA > NAWCC 140818 > http://www.jps.net/rrloesch > alternate mailto:cuckoobob@eudoramail.com > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] The Organ Room... From: "John Haskey" <johnh@powerinter.net> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:50:27 -0800   Hi, Some have questioned the 18x36 dimension that I mentioned earlier. The interior should end up something less due to the thickness of the walls. How close does the ratio need to be to an even multiple to cause problems?   ---john.