DIYAPASON-L Digest #163 - Monday, October 16, 2000
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Wiring and cables
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
[Residence Organs]  Re: blower help suggestions
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Looking for a vox
  by "william baron" <bourdon_8@yahoo.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Looking for a vox
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Looking for a vox
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Wiring and cables
  by "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu>
Re: Wiring and cable tricks..............
  by <TheGluePot@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Wiring and cable tricks..............
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Looking for a vox
  by "Duane Austin" <duanet@execpc.com>
Concertola info request
  by "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@sockets.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Wiring and cables From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:32:00 -0400     >from some builders that the punch-down, insulation-displacing connectors >are unreliable, but the telephone company (Pacific Bell, my former >employer) has been using them for years, and they wouldn't if they were = not >reliable.   I cannot recall when a phone went out due to the punch block system. If it did it is rare indeed. We wired up an entire Wurlitzer using that and the telephone cables including the 50 pin connectors. One pair per chest and you have lots of spares. It makes for a neat job and gives you color coding as well. Often the stuff can be found in a dumpster when an office building gets = remodeled.   Running 9 years without fail. Now. do invest in the proper "punch tool" however.   John V      
(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: blower help suggestions From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:26:09 -0500   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Dear Bill Just read your situation with your Blower , when I purchase my Austin = organ I have the same horse power blower you have and it made the same = roaring or growling sound needless to say it was loud , I found out that = the case of the loud roar was because the bushings were warn out and what = was done , I simply took it to an electrical motor shop and they fixed it = , all they told me to do was to keep the motor oiled and it should have a = long life , the loud roaring sound was gone   thanks john       >>> TheGluePot@aol.com 10/15/00 02:15AM >>> << Hello everyone > Today I got my blower hooked up to electric. I threw > the switch and WOW, THIS THING IS LOUD! Something has > to be wrong. As soon as I turn the power off its > quiet. So it must be the motor. Does anyone have any > suggestions.=20 > It's a kinetic blower. Motor is 3/4 hp single phase > 110 volt. > Thanks, > Bill >>   Hello Bill:   Most Kinetics are reasonably quiet. I would remove the coupling = leathers=20 between the motor and the fan shaft. Run the motor without the blower=20 section attached and see if it run quietly. With no load it shoud run = very=20 quietly. Did you run the blower with the outlet wide open? That will = cause=20 the motor to run hard and above its rated specs. A blown wind sock can = blow=20 a motor that does not have overload protection (thermal and current). = A=20 misaligned common rotation axis on the motor and the blower shaft can = give=20 you a great amount of noise. Letting the motor run free will give you a = clue.   Another possible problem might be the shaft bearings allowing the blower = fans=20 to contact the stators. If the motor armature is being pulled or pushed = from=20 its magnetic center by the blower shaft that too will cause noise. = Again,=20 remove the motor coupling and run the motor freely. With the power off = move=20 the shaft by hand to see if there are any rough spots. Pull and push = the=20 shaft to see if it has too much axial play. Do the same with the=20 disconnected fan shaft.   Owning a pipe organ is like owning a Model T, you've got to be a mechanic!   Al Sefl   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20        
(back) Subject: Looking for a vox From: "william baron" <bourdon_8@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:41:45 -0700 (PDT)   Good morning everyone!   I am in the next step of my organ project and I'm looking for pipework. I'm looking for a vox humana. If anyone is looking to unload one, please contact me. I'd be interested in working something out.   Thanks, Bill   bourdon_8@yahoo.com     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Looking for a vox From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:48:13 -0500   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Bill I have a Vox I could make you a great deal on let me know if you = would like to talk further=20 thanks john       >>> bourdon_8@yahoo.com 10/16/00 08:41AM >>> Good morning everyone!   I am in the next step of my organ project and I'm looking for pipework. I'm looking for a vox humana.=20 If anyone is looking to unload one, please contact me. I'd be interested in working something out.   Thanks, Bill   bourdon_8@yahoo.com=20     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/=20   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Looking for a vox From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:01:22 -0400   >Good morning everyone! > >I am in the next step of my organ project and I'm >looking for pipework. I'm looking for a vox humana. >If anyone is looking to unload one, please contact me. >I'd be interested in working something out. > >Thanks, >Bill > >bourdon_8@yahoo.com   We just obtained a Vox Humana that is available. An organ builder went belly up, and the landlord let us have pick of the place; quite a trailer load!   Anyhow....   The VOX has 68 notes. Looks like brand new or refurbished. It was still in Kraft paper. The metal looks like linen-texture lead. 50 - 68 are trebles and the rank ends on G. CC is marked #430 "VOX HU." The builder seemed to do a lot of business = with Austin. Can any members further illuminate?   All our sales are for our high school organ project.   Where are you? maybe we can work something out. We're in Poughkeepsie, NY.   Regards,   John V      
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Wiring and cables From: "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:55:33 -0500   Good day to you Bob!   I will tell you what I have done.   First, between my console and my relay driver boards in the chamber I used punch blocks at the console end and the other end at the relay in the chamber. That way it will be easy to remove the cable, if I ever want to. My relay / console cable takes about 68 wires. Plus I have extra wires = to play/experiment with. My console cable is a standard 50 pair "used/experienced" telephone cable.   Between my relay driver boards and chests, I put junction boards with the brass pins that I soldered. (Got the pins from OSI.) I thought about = using the standard telephone cable connectors but decided to use the pins and = Mr. Soldering Iron. The telephone cables are 25 pair, or 50 wires, so I had = to use an additional 6 or 8 pair cable for the difference to the 61 notes. = The same with the cables to the chest. I found a lot of used 25 pair cables that were about 20 to 30 feet long. No cost, and I bet you can find the same. (Yell if you can't and need some, I think I have a number of them coiled up in my Garage and will be glad to share! They all have a = connector on one end.) Also if you or anyone needs punch blocks, I have a lot of them I would love to give to anyone that can use them. (You know, you accumulate a lot of STUFF when you build a pipe organ!)   That is what I did. Good luck with your project.   Craig Elders   -----Original Message----- From: rtaylor@sockets.net [mailto:rtaylor@sockets.net] Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 10:05 AM To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Subject: [Residence Organs] Wiring and cables     I would like to hear from the list on two issues: Cabling and connectors.   When I set up my organ, I will be using all new cable. Using an eight rank compound chest as an example, should I run two cables from the relay to the chest for the notes, and one separate smaller cable for the stop action?   Since the ranks are all 61 notes, I could use two 64 conductor cables for the two sets of primaries, and one 24 conductor for all sixteen stops and perhaps also the trem.   In the above example, the cables will originate by connection the junction board. How should they be connected to the chest (or primaries)? Should the chest have an external push down type connector?   My intent is to be neat, reliable and close to standard practice. I am = not interested necessarily in finding the least expensive method.   Bob Taylor       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Wiring and cable tricks.............. From: <TheGluePot@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:02:49 EDT   Another cable trick that I use is when I find "extension" cables with a = male connector on one end and female on the other. The male end gets cut off = with some short cable to spare and this becomes the wiring at the chest bottom board. The female end with the long part of the remaining cable goes to = the punch block, to the switch stack spreader, or to the driver board = connectors. If I ever need to work on the bottom board the cable plugs at the bottom board get disconnected and I can take the whole of the board to work somewhere while standing up. It makes for easy releathering later and = fixing problems on a bench rather than under the chest.   Al Sefl  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Wiring and cable tricks.............. From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:20:41 -0400   >Another cable trick that I use is when I find "extension" cables with a = male >connector on one end and female on the other. The male end gets cut off = with >some short cable to spare and this becomes the wiring at the chest bottom >board. The female end with the long part of the remaining cable goes to = the >punch block, to the switch stack spreader, or to the driver board = connectors. > If I ever need to work on the bottom board the cable plugs at the bottom >board get disconnected and I can take the whole of the board to work >somewhere while standing up. It makes for easy releathering later and = fixing >problems on a bench rather than under the chest. > >Al Sefl   you're right, Al! I forgot to add that. We did that too. Even used it on keyboards and unit chests and percussions. That allowed us to do repairs = in the shop, rather than hanging upside down somewhere.   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Looking for a vox From: "Duane Austin" <duanet@execpc.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:21:02 -0500   Hi Bill Where are you located and what pressure do youy need. Duane   william baron wrote:   > Good morning everyone! > > I am in the next step of my organ project and I'm > looking for pipework. I'm looking for a vox humana. > If anyone is looking to unload one, please contact me. > I'd be interested in working something out. > > Thanks, > Bill > > bourdon_8@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Concertola info request From: "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@sockets.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:55:18 -0500   I am researching several facets of the Aeolian residence organ. If you = own such an instrument, or have access to one, please aid in this request. = Of primary interest is the automatic roll changing Concertola. I am seeking information on the following:   !. The number assigned to the concertola 2. The Opus number of the organ to which the concertola was first = attached. 3. The type of control tablet with the concertola, toggle switch or push button.   In responding to this request, please give all available information, and identify the current location, if possible, of the concertola.   Any information that leads to new discoveries will be published.   Bob Taylor