DIYAPASON-L Digest #171 - Friday, October 27, 2000
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Help; stiff 1" felt needed
  by "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs] combin
  by "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com>
Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs]  combination action
  by "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com>
[Residence Organs] Books on DIY organ building
  by "Sedcole, Richard" <SEDCOLE@tui.lincoln.ac.nz>
Fw: [Residence Organs]  Help; stiff 1" felt needed
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Recycling Pipework [WAS:Re: Pipe cutups]
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs]  combination action
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Recycling Pipework [WAS:Re: Pipe cutups]
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Recycling Pipework
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: Recycling Pipework
  by "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com>
[Residence Organs]  Re: Recycling Pipework
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Recycling Pipework
  by "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com>
Destroying Pipes
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@bellatlantic.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Destroying Pipes
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs] Questions from a newbie.
  by "s c bournias" <chrisbournias@hotmail.com>
Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs] combination action
  by "s c bournias" <chrisbournias@hotmail.com>
Dumping Lead is Illegal ! ! !
  by <TheGluePot@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Dumping Lead is Illegal ! ! !
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs] combin
  by "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com>
Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs]  combination action
  by "Mike McDonald" <pipeorganman@localaccess.com>
Fw: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs]  combination action
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Uses for old pipes
  by "4everaptor" <JABowers@execpc.com>
Re: Old Pipes
  by "james turner" <JTTUNER@webtv.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Help; stiff 1" felt needed From: "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:33:26 -0700 (PDT)   Hi John,   I've always thought one needed to use leather to get a good seal on pipe stoppers. But it sounds like felt can be used, is that right? If so it would be a lot easier to fit than leather.   Thanks, Lou Paff   --- John Durgan <kimbalman@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hi Again > > Here is the name and address and phone > > Southeastern Felt Company > p.o. box 1368 > Concord North Carolina > > phone: 1-800-438-2252 > > They made special pipe stopper felt to exact specs. > It was perfect. I have > used them for a number of felts of special thickness > and density > > John R. Durgan > Mississippi > -----Original Message----- > From: KriderSM@aol.com <KriderSM@aol.com> > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > Date: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:24 AM > Subject: [Residence Organs] Help; stiff 1" felt > needed > > > >Greetings all, > >Does anyone know where I can purchase stiff 1" felt > for rebuilding a Wicks > >pedalboard? > > > >Thanks, > >Stan Krider > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and > builders of their own > >Residence Pipe Organs. > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > >Administration: > mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and > builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs] combination action From: "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:35:09 -0700 (PDT)   I've done that on wood bourdons with good results. Used contact glue to fasten them to the existing lips.   Lou Paff   --- s c bournias <chrisbournias@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I believe it is possible to lower cut-ups on wood > pipes by means of metal > inserts to the upper lips...steve bournias > >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs] combination action From: "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:39:53 -0700 (PDT)   I would recommend you sell the pipework you can't use instead of destroying it. If you put an ad on the http://www.theatreorgans.com/ website you can usually sell pipework making someone happy, making you some $, and preserving pipework.   Cheers,   Lou Paff   --- Eric Sagmuller <ess4@psu.edu> wrote: I just > ran a rank of high > cutup diapasons to the dump yesterday as in my > opinion they are just > not suitable for any residence or for that matter, > small to moderate > sized church. Some high cutup diapasons can be tamed > down pretty low > in volume, but then they sound more like flutes > rather than > diapasons. I also burned a bunch of wood Gedackt > pipes with high > cutups the other day. They sounded horrible compared > to my chiffy, > low cutup Gedackts. > > I played a 97 Shantz that ran on 3 and 3 1/2" wind > in a church that > seated about 400. It sounded very nice and plenty > loud enough. > > Kelson, if you really want high cutup diapasons, I > suggest that maybe > you find some one to trade yours with, as they are > much harder to > find. There are plenty of high cutup pipes out > there. > > Just my opinions. > > God Bless, > Eric > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and > builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] Books on DIY organ building From: "Sedcole, Richard" <SEDCOLE@tui.lincoln.ac.nz> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:54:55 +1300   Mark Willey. Building your own pipe organ is a long task, but plenty have done it. If you get a catelogue (or a catelog) from Organ Literature Foundation or Organ Historical Society, they still may have copies of reprints of: Mark Wicks - Organ building for Amateurs - this was originally 1883 or something, but basically, the system hasn't changed much. Wicks uses wood and paper (rolled up cartridge with hard hide glue) to make some pipes, although some reports on PIPORG-L suggest that they weren't all that successful. Milne - How to build a two-manual pipe organ - this about 1920, I think. Very similar to Wicks, although Milne recommends buying some 2nd hand metal pipes for principals &c. Dickenson - Modern organ building - 1880-something. Far less information than the other two. Leaves a lot for the reader to work out. Karl Bormann - Heimorgelbau 1970s. Very thorough - German of course, and some minor errors in the calculations of lever actions. Details of wooden pipes for principals & flutes. Bormann considers metal pipes unsatisfactory for homes & small rooms. I have been translating this book over a loong time & really have only a little more to do before sending it off to a publisher. (I'm getting rather embarrassed by this).   Erhard Lieb - Der Bau von Haus- und Uebungsorgeln in Theorie und Praxis. 1991. He uses pure electric action ("Direct electric" is a Martin Wicks trade mark & he has been known to get quite concerned about the indiscriminant use of his tm.) for a slider and bar sound board. Includes electronic circuits for the action & a somewhat primative midi using casette recorders!   John Boersma - 1997 rep 1999 Bau einer Truhenorgel. This contains all the info needed for a one-manual chest organ of three divided stops. This is obtainable from Hans Schuerfeld, GdO Arbeitskreis Hausorgel, Pferfekoppel 55, D-22880, Wedel, Germany. This was 24 DM, plus postage. You may need to add 6 or so for that. Note that it is expensive to clear foreign cheques (or even checks) in some countries & you may need to send something that can be cashed directly like a bank draft or even risk sending green through the mail. At the exchange rate this would be good value at twice the price. An English translation has been made, but I don't know how available it is.   There are other books on organ bulding, but the above are those aimed at amateurs wanting to build small house organs.   Be very careful with your tools. You don't want to end up with a nice pipe organ but no fingers to play it with.   Richard Sedcole Computing, Mathematics & Statistics Group, Applied Management & Computing Division, P.O. Box 84, Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand Ph. (64)-(3)-3252-811. Fax. (64)-(3)-3253-839  
(back) Subject: Fw: [Residence Organs] Help; stiff 1" felt needed From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:05:49 -0500   Cork is used also as a wrap for the bung-sides.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Paff <paffh@yahoo.com> To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Help; stiff 1" felt needed     > Hi John, > > I've always thought one needed to use leather to get a > good seal on pipe stoppers. But it sounds like felt > can be used, is that right? If so it would be a lot > easier to fit than leather. > > Thanks, Lou Paff > > --- John Durgan <kimbalman@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Hi Again > > > > Here is the name and address and phone > > > > Southeastern Felt Company > > p.o. box 1368 > > Concord North Carolina > > > > phone: 1-800-438-2252 > > > > They made special pipe stopper felt to exact specs. > > It was perfect. I have > > used them for a number of felts of special thickness > > and density > > > > John R. Durgan > > Mississippi > > -----Original Message----- > > From: KriderSM@aol.com <KriderSM@aol.com> > > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > > <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > > Date: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:24 AM > > Subject: [Residence Organs] Help; stiff 1" felt > > needed > > > > > > >Greetings all, > > >Does anyone know where I can purchase stiff 1" felt > > for rebuilding a Wicks > > >pedalboard? > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Stan Krider > > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and > > builders of their own > > >Residence Pipe Organs. > > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > > >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > > >Administration: > > mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > > > > > > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and > > builders of their own > > Residence Pipe Organs. > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Recycling Pipework [WAS:Re: Pipe cutups] From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:54:49 -0500   Besides advertising on the Theatre Organ site you should also post a note on this list. That is one of the purposes of this list, for people that are wanting to dispose of pipes/parts to be able to share with other members. You might just have something that someone else on the list has been hunting for.   Although, in your opinion, those pipes may not have been suitable, they might have just been what someone else has been looking for. Each of us have different tastes and different ideas in mind for our own instruments. I, for one, personally hate to hear of pipework going to the dump when I know that it might just be usable for another instrument.   David   At 10:39 PM -0700 10/26/00, Henry Paff wrote: >I would recommend you sell the pipework you can't use >instead of destroying it. If you put an ad on the >http://www.theatreorgans.com/ website you can usually >sell pipework making someone happy, making you some $, >and preserving pipework. > >Cheers, > >Lou Paff > >--- Eric Sagmuller <ess4@psu.edu> wrote: > I just >> ran a rank of high >> cutup diapasons to the dump yesterday as in my >> opinion they are just >> not suitable for any residence or for that matter, >> small to moderate > > sized church.  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs] combination action From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:04:06 -0400   Lou wrote:     >I would recommend you sell the pipework you can't use >instead of destroying it. If you put an ad on the >http://www.theatreorgans.com/ website you can usually >sell pipework making someone happy, making you some $, >and preserving pipework. >   I would do this with most pipework I don't need but the diapasons I took to the dump were of a very high lead content and many of them were very dented (I would call mashed) and the 8' portion of the pipes were stopped pipes (not desirable at all). The wood pipes were very dry and many of them had the wood splitting. Also I have seen a glut of this type of pipework for sale on the for sale lists that doesn't seem to sell as there is a very small market for it. If this were low pressure, low cutup pipework it would have been worth repairing and marketing.   Thanks for the advice, Eric    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Recycling Pipework [WAS:Re: Pipe cutups] From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:16:35 -0400   David wrote:     >Besides advertising on the Theatre Organ site you should also post a >note on this list. That is one of the purposes of this list, for >people that are wanting to dispose of pipes/parts to be able to >share with other members. You might just have something that >someone else on the list has been hunting for. > >Although, in your opinion, those pipes may not have been suitable, >they might have just been what someone else has been looking for. >Each of us have different tastes and different ideas in mind for our >own instruments. I, for one, personally hate to hear of pipework >going to the dump when I know that it might just be usable for >another instrument. >   Sorry if I ruffled some feathers but as I mentioned just a little while ago, I really don't think these pipes were worth the effort to sell or repair. Thanks David for the offer to post organ stuff on the list. I wasn't sure if this was ok or not although I've seen others do it.   God Bless, Eric    
(back) Subject: Recycling Pipework From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:54:00 -0400   I just remembered that the wood pipes I burned were Stopped Diapasons, not Gedackts. Maybe that's another reason they sounded so bad. From what I read in Barnes book awhile back, these were the early version of the Gedackt that were later refined to sound better.   Eric  
(back) Subject: Re: Recycling Pipework From: "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:10:34 -0400   My "opus #1", assembled from mostly discarded organic material between = 1960 and 1964, contained a quite nice Kimball Stopped Diapason of wood that I rescued from the pile o' pipes on the sanctuary floor of a nearby church whose 1920s Kimball (church) organ was being replaced by a new instrument from a mid-Western company (which one, I don't recall, but one of the ones =   still in business today). The installers had thrown all of the metal pipework into a pile, including the famous Kimball tin strings, but for some reason had piled up the Stopped Diapason. They said I could have it.   (Today, that Kimball would have been rebuilt, not trashed.)   On 3-1/2" pressure (and on a slider chest) it sounded just fine, but it could also have been brightened by judicious filling of the nicks (wax works nicely and is reversible) or by lowering of the upper lips (via glued-on spotted metal or even "card stock"). I wish I still had that = set.   Now, if the pipes are damaged, worm-eaten, rotten, or missing some of = their neighbors, then its usefullness is much reduced. I know of some quite = good organbuilder who sometimes convert such stuff into BTUs during the long winter months.   Heavy large-scaled Diapsons have been known to be converted into stopped flutes, though this can require some additional pipemaker skills.   Now, I'll admit to have recycled some zinc facade pipes from a broken set that were the left-overs when someone moved out of town and I "inherited" the storage space for a few months. When that time expired, and after = some folks had had a chance to pick over the remains, those (Midmer-Losh) = facade pipes made a trip to the county recycling center. It was a sadness, but sometimes there is little choice.   ("One man's trash is another man's treasure", as they say. The trick is finding that other man!)   Larry Chace    
(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: Recycling Pipework From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:32:11 -0400   Larry wrote:   > > >("One man's trash is another man's treasure", as they say. The >trick is finding that other man!) >   Yes, and the other problem is I had to make room in my garage upstairs and couldn't afford the time and effort to "find" that person that may have wanted the damaged, easily available, higher pressure stuff. Especially with the distances involved that many of us live apart and the high costs of shipping the larger, heavier stuff.   Eric    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Recycling Pipework From: "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:42:22 -0400   I should have added to my previous note that I wasn't trying to be = critical of Eric's (or anyone's) decisions regarding those "treasures" that we've all managed to accumulate! Those of us living in less-populated places certainly have less opportunity to have others come over and take away those items that are no longer of use/interest/value.   When we *do* write up a little note to this list (or for posting elsewhere), we should remember to be fairly explicit as to the location of =   the offered materials. It can be just the required "nudge" for someone to =   see that a Great Big Wide Open Diapason is available for free "only" 1 hour's drive away; without seeing how "easy" it would be to obtain these wonders, the reader might just skip on by! (And maybe the reader has friends or family nearby and can combine a visit with an organ parts acquisition!)   Larry    
(back) Subject: Destroying Pipes From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:06:20 -0400     Eric,   It is always bad news to me to hear that pipes are being destroyed. I'll bet someone could use them if they knew about them.   I don't know where you are located, but I am looking for a set of 8' flues for a facade right now in Baltimore.   Paul R. Swank   --- Eric Sagmuller <ess4@psu.edu> wrote: > I just >> ran a rank of high >> cutup diapasons to the dump yesterday as in my >> opinion they are just >> not suitable for any residence or for that matter, >> small to moderate >> sized church.    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Destroying Pipes From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:38:32 -0400   Paul,   These pipes would not have worked good for a facade as the longest pipe was of the 4' length. If the set would have been a real 8' diapason I probably would have advertised it for that very purpose.   Eric     >Eric, > >It is always bad news to me to hear that pipes are being destroyed. I'll >bet someone could use them if they knew about them. > >I don't know where you are located, but I am looking for a set of 8' = flues >for a facade right now in Baltimore. > >Paul R. Swank > >--- Eric Sagmuller <ess4@psu.edu> wrote: > > I just > >> ran a rank of high > >> cutup diapasons to the dump yesterday as in my > >> opinion they are just > >> not suitable for any residence or for that matter, > >> small to moderate > >> sized church. > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Questions from a newbie. From: "s c bournias" <chrisbournias@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:44:39 EDT   <html><DIV> <P><BR><BR></P>Write to Hans Schmidt at 26 Raymond Hall Drive, North = Attelborough Mass. He is very knowledgeable having worked for = aeolian-skinner , casavant, and kemper(in germany)...mention my name and i = am sure he will assist you. ......steve bournias </DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Mark Willey <MWILLEY@MARKWILLEY.COM> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: [Residence Organs] Questions from a newbie. <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:08:36 -0400 <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Hello all, <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;I have just joined this list. I definitely need to go back = through the <DIV></DIV>&gt;archives to catch up to where you all are, but let me tell = you why I <DIV></DIV>&gt;joined. <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;I am a professional organist working as the = organist/director of music <DIV></DIV>&gt;at a church in Maryland. At my church I am blessed (and = cursed) to have <DIV></DIV>&gt;a great four manual Moller pipe organ. Lately, the Moller = "tracker" <DIV></DIV>&gt;touch keyboards have been causing some strain in my hands = and so I am <DIV></DIV>&gt;turning to other venues for practice. <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;My dream has been to build, or otherwise acquire, a small = two manual and <DIV></DIV>&gt;pedals practice organ. I would prefer to have something = with a light <DIV></DIV>&gt;mechanical action. Fine woodworking and cabinetmaking is my = hobby and <DIV></DIV>&gt;so I think I have many of the skills and tools to pull this = off. I need <DIV></DIV>&gt;good plans and some experienced advice however and those = are two of the <DIV></DIV>&gt;reasons that I joined this list. <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Can any of you steer me in good directions to get started. = I have only <DIV></DIV>&gt;once seen and played the kind of organ that I am looking to = build/buy. <DIV></DIV>&gt;It was in my teacher's house and it was made by Meyer (a = German <DIV></DIV>&gt;company). Are there plans out there for what I'm looking = for? Well, <DIV></DIV>&gt;I've written enough. Time to cast my bread on the water and = wait for <DIV></DIV>&gt;the blessings of wisdom. <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Mark <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of = their own <DIV></DIV>&gt;Residence Pipe Organs. <DIV></DIV>&gt;HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV><p><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a = href=3D"http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<p>Share = information about yourself, create your own public profile at <a = href=3D"http://profiles.msn.com">http://profiles.msn.com = </a>.<br></p></html>  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs] combination action From: "s c bournias" <chrisbournias@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:55:44 EDT   <html><DIV> <P><BR><BR></P>Generous scaling on diapasons need not be a problem if = these pipes are capped into a 16' stop like a bourdon or employed "as is" = in the pedal as a unit 8-4-2 chorus....steve bournias </DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Henry Paff <PAFFH@YAHOO.COM> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs] = combination action <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:39:53 -0700 (PDT) <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;I would recommend you sell the pipework you can't use <DIV></DIV>&gt;instead of destroying it. If you put an ad on the <DIV></DIV>&gt;http://www.theatreorgans.com/ website you can usually <DIV></DIV>&gt;sell pipework making someone happy, making you some $, <DIV></DIV>&gt;and preserving pipework. <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Cheers, <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Lou Paff <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;--- Eric Sagmuller <ESS4@PSU.EDU>wrote: <DIV></DIV>&gt; I just <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; ran a rank of high <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; cutup diapasons to the dump yesterday as in my <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; opinion they are just <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; not suitable for any residence or for that matter, <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; small to moderate <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; sized church. Some high cutup diapasons can be tamed <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; down pretty low <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; in volume, but then they sound more like flutes <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; rather than <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; diapasons. I also burned a bunch of wood Gedackt <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; pipes with high <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; cutups the other day. They sounded horrible compared <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; to my chiffy, <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; low cutup Gedackts. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; I played a 97 Shantz that ran on 3 and 3 1/2" wind <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; in a church that <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; seated about 400. It sounded very nice and plenty <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; loud enough. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Kelson, if you really want high cutup diapasons, I <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; suggest that maybe <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; you find some one to trade yours with, as they are <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; much harder to <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; find. There are plenty of high cutup pipes out <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; there. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Just my opinions. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; God Bless, <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Eric <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; builders of their own <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Residence Pipe Organs. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;__________________________________________________ <DIV></DIV>&gt;Do You Yahoo!? <DIV></DIV>&gt;Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. <DIV></DIV>&gt;http://im.yahoo.com/ <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of = their own <DIV></DIV>&gt;Residence Pipe Organs. <DIV></DIV>&gt;HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV><p><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a = href=3D"http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<p>Share = information about yourself, create your own public profile at <a = href=3D"http://profiles.msn.com">http://profiles.msn.com = </a>.<br></p></html>  
(back) Subject: Dumping Lead is Illegal ! ! ! From: <TheGluePot@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:46:29 EDT   Putting any kind of heavy metal into a landfill is now illegal. Besides, = I find that I get a healthy amount of cash from the metal recycler. = Recently a set of ugly Gemshorn bases brought $85 for the zinc content and a set of canvas patterned lead Diapasons brought nearly $160. Wire from an old = relay was worth $56 in copper even at only 17 cents a pound. When there are no other avenues of salvage, think about recycling.   Al Sefl  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Dumping Lead is Illegal ! ! ! From: "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:08:07 -0400       TheGluePot@aol.com wrote: > > Putting any kind of heavy metal into a landfill is now illegal. = Besides, I > find that I get a healthy amount of cash from the metal recycler. = Recently a > set of ugly Gemshorn bases brought $85 for the zinc content and a set of > canvas patterned lead Diapasons brought nearly $160. Wire from an old = relay > was worth $56 in copper even at only 17 cents a pound. When there are = no > other avenues of salvage, think about recycling. > I was watching an AIO video tape and Nelson Barden just flattens them out = and uses them for soldering up wind lines.  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs] combination action From: "Henry Paff" <paffh@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:39:40 -0700 (PDT)   When you do this you may need to cut the mouth up higher to keep it from becoming a quintadena. Such pipes do make good bourdons.   Lou Paff   --- s c bournias <chrisbournias@hotmail.com> wrote:   <HR> <html><DIV> <P><BR><BR></P>Generous scaling on diapasons need not be a problem if these pipes are capped into a 16' stop like a bourdon or employed "as is" in the pedal as a unit 8-4-2 chorus....steve bournias </DIV> <   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs] combination action From: "Mike McDonald" <pipeorganman@localaccess.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:22:28 -0700   An other Idea I have used for broken sets of pipes is turning them into bird houses and selling them to help raise money for an organ project. For example take a 16' wood pipe remove the back DIVID IT INTO SEVERAL BIRD SIZE HOUSES SCREW THE BACK IN PLACE DRILL THE RIGHT SIZE HOLES IN THE FRONT AND SIDES AND YOU WILL BE SURPRISED WHAT YOU SELL THEM FOR.   Eric Sagmuller wrote:   > Lou wrote: > > >I would recommend you sell the pipework you can't use > >instead of destroying it. If you put an ad on the > >http://www.theatreorgans.com/ website you can usually > >sell pipework making someone happy, making you some $, > >and preserving pipework. > > > > I would do this with most pipework I don't need but the diapasons I > took to the dump were of a very high lead content and many of them > were very dented (I would call mashed) and the 8' portion of the > pipes were stopped pipes (not desirable at all). The wood pipes were > very dry and many of them had the wood splitting. Also I have seen a > glut of this type of pipework for sale on the for sale lists that > doesn't seem to sell as there is a very small market for it. If this > were low pressure, low cutup pipework it would have been worth > repairing and marketing. > > Thanks for the advice, > Eric > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Fw: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs] combination action From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:54:45 -0500   I've made bird houses from left-over cuckoo clock cases. People even take bourdon pipes and make wall-mounted mailboxes of them- feet, stopper and all.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike McDonald <pipeorganman@localaccess.com> To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Pipe cutups was Re: [Residence Organs] combination action     > An other Idea I have used for broken sets of pipes is turning them into > bird houses and selling them to help raise money for an organ project. > For example take a 16' wood pipe remove the back DIVID IT INTO SEVERAL > BIRD SIZE HOUSES SCREW THE BACK IN PLACE DRILL THE RIGHT SIZE HOLES IN > THE FRONT AND SIDES AND YOU WILL BE SURPRISED WHAT YOU SELL THEM FOR. > > Eric Sagmuller wrote: > > > Lou wrote: > > > > >I would recommend you sell the pipework you can't use > > >instead of destroying it. If you put an ad on the > > >http://www.theatreorgans.com/ website you can usually > > >sell pipework making someone happy, making you some $, > > >and preserving pipework. > > > > > > > I would do this with most pipework I don't need but the diapasons I > > took to the dump were of a very high lead content and many of them > > were very dented (I would call mashed) and the 8' portion of the > > pipes were stopped pipes (not desirable at all). The wood pipes were > > very dry and many of them had the wood splitting. Also I have seen a > > glut of this type of pipework for sale on the for sale lists that > > doesn't seem to sell as there is a very small market for it. If this > > were low pressure, low cutup pipework it would have been worth > > repairing and marketing. > > > > Thanks for the advice, > > Eric > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > > Residence Pipe Organs. > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Uses for old pipes From: "4everaptor" <JABowers@execpc.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:34:28 -0500   Hmmm. A friend has screwed Bourdons to the wall horizontally to use as shelving.    
(back) Subject: Re: Old Pipes From: "james turner" <JTTUNER@webtv.net> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:16:47 -0500 (EST)   I've made several mailboxes from old Bourdon pipes and given them away. Very time-consuming to make, but a nice conversation piece. Also have made bird houses.   I've made small facade displays from small metal pipes and given them to people with electronic or reed organs..   Jim Turner