DIYAPASON-L Digest #175 - Tuesday, October 31, 2000
 
Re: Mitred Reed pipes questions
  by <TheGluePot@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Reed pipes questions
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Reed pipes questions
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Reed pipes questions
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
finally a list!(long-discard if you don't need parts)
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Warning - Possible outages tomorrow
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: [Residence Organs] finally a list!(long-discard if you don't need par
  by "homer valenzona" <dochome@hotmail.com>
[Residence Organs]  Re: [Residence Organs] finally a  list!(long-discard 
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Refinishing wood pipes
  by "Mike McDonald" <pipeorganman@localaccess.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Building my Own
  by "Hugh Knapton" <knapton@superaje.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  finally a list!(long-discard if you don't	 need p
  by "Leah Smith" <gregsmithandleah@earthlink.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  finally a list!(long-discard if you don't	 need p
  by "Leah Smith" <gregsmithandleah@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Mitred Reed pipes questions From: <TheGluePot@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:52:07 EST   > Does anybody here have experience with mitering techniques, ie, > 90-degree angles vs. 60-degree or even 45-degree angles, as far as the > sound is affected? > Mac Hayes > (I wanted to write "mitreing" but the spell checker said "mitering") >>   Hello Mac and list:   When pipes, both metal and wood, are mitred, the sound quality is not = changed but the speaking length of the pipe is. For this reason most makers of = wood bases leave a bit extra and that is why the stopper is sometimes down out = of sight. Metal reed bases are a bit more tricky. You lose a little bit = with every angle so you want to limit the number of knuckles and have a bit = extra on the tuning slide slot. I hope that answers the questions.   Best of wishes,   Al Sefl  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Reed pipes questions From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:07:03 -0500   Larry Chace wrote:   > >1. Estey, to the best of my knowledge, did not build 1/2-length = resonators, >but they did use a clever scheme akin to the Haskell basses they used on >flue pipes.   This is possible. All I know is that the longest pipe is around 4' and my friend also assumed they were 1/2 length.   > >2. Hillgreen-Lane did not built their own reed pipes (or, possibly, even >their own flue pipes), and so the H-L reeds are from some supply company. >Schopps is close to H-L (they were in the same town, I believe), and so >they pipes may be from Schopps. Don't discount them! If they are = already >mitered such that they fit in your organ chamber, then that is a clear >advantage!   This sounds good. I suspect they did make the wood pipes I have though.     Thanks, Eric    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Reed pipes questions From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:14:20 -0500   I was just envisioning again what Larry Chace wrote below. It makes sense, but thinking back on how the pipes looked, with a normal conical resonator, they definitely were not of this design. It also came back to me that the pipes had been added later on offset Electro-mechanical chests. The original organ dates back to the 20s or 30s. So I believe that they are 1/2 length and probably were purchased from a pipe manufacturer.   Eric     > >1. Estey, to the best of my knowledge, did not build 1/2-length = resonators, >but they did use a clever scheme akin to the Haskell basses they used on >flue pipes. For reeds, they'd have a short (about 1/2 length) conical >resonator over which they would suspend a cylindrical addition that was >closed at the top. The result, if you do the geometry, is a conical pipe >that is mitered over on top of itself. Eric, if these pipes are of this >form, then you'd have a full-length bass, not 1/2 length!    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Reed pipes questions From: <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:13:41 EST   Eric-- If this oldsters memory serves--I have seen written several places that Hilgreen Lane sold their pipe making tools and machinery to Schopps when = they went out of business, and that most pipe making employees were absorbed by =   Schopps at that time. HL had a very successful,,,if complicated adjustment =   wise,,EP chest in the 20's for sure, see the Barnes book for details. I = have worked with HL instruments for a half century and never got the opinion = that any of their work, pipe or chest, was "cheap and tawdry" it always looked = and acted like quality work to this guy. In my opinion, its not the best idea = to judge the pipework of one company by a small sample of their work. It = might just have been a bad hair day in the pipeshop. At any rate,, my vote also =   goes with the HL mitred pipes,,,after a thorough re-do,,,they are old enuf = to need it, new tongues, wires, wedges, and a very thorough cleaning. Cheers, keep us posted on the progress. ---Roc  
(back) Subject: finally a list!(long-discard if you don't need parts) From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:37:56 -0500   Dear Listers,   We are restoring a mostly Wurlizer organ for installation in a local High School. One way to fund-raise is to sell off surplus stuff, classical as well as Theater. As a not for profit amateur volunteer group we have no overhead, and most stuff is salvage or donated. The aim is to move the stuff out!. We'll readily bargain until an agreement is reached which = makes us very competitive. We don't charge for packing, just actual shipping costs; so don't discount us if you're far. We have shipped stuff to Fla, Illinois, Oregon, etc. where people still felt they got a bargain. We try to find a home for everything even if it has to go to eBay as "decorative items". We're in Poughkeespie, NY. Let me know if you want to come for a first-hand look.   The following is an early list. We are planning a Website soon for this list which will make updating easier. We may also soon get a complete = small Estey pipe organ. (again!) I'll let you know. Remember, all prices are "asking". While we have to be firmer on some things, we'll consider any offer as we don't want to keep any of this. Thanks for your time. *************************************   1.`HARMONIC FLUTE - wood - marked "Concert Flute" 24 notes 2ft C# - C. Missing #3 Asking: $35 2. FLAUTO TRAVERSO - wood - marked "Roselle # 945" 32 notes 4ft C - G. Missing #27,29,31 Asking: $45 3. ECHO DOLCE FLUTE - wood - marked # "1527" 49 notes 4ft C - C. Exc. Cond. Asking: $75 4. STOPPED DIAPASON - wood - Two identical sets of 16 notes each. Good condition. 4Ft C - D# Asking: $30/pair 5. CLARINET - linen-lead resonators, maybe Austin 68 notes 8ft C - G. # 36 missing. Like NEW! Asking: $375 6. CLARINET - lead/tin resonators 61 notes 8ft C - C. #4,6, 36 missing. Exc. Cond. Asking: $300 7. DULCIANA - spotted metal - Exc. Cond. 72 notes 8ft. CC - C. #1,2,3,5 missing (remaining lowest 8 pipes = Haskells) Asking: $300 8. GAMBA - Spotted Metal - Good to Exc. Cond. 44 notes 4 ft C - G. Also: 13 notes 8ft CC - C. # 12(BB) missing. Asking: $200 9. VOX HUMANA - linen-lead resonators. Marked " #430 VOX HU." maybe = Austin. 68 notes 8ft C - G. Like NEW! Still wrapped from the voicer. Asking: $400 10. PEDAL STRING - Marked: "PED VIO." 20 Notes 4ft C - G. Good to Fair Cond. #1 - 7 zinc, # 8 - 20 spotted = metal. Asking: $35 11. SWELL VIOLIN - Marked: " #1226 F. Mahler" Very Good Cond. 61 notes 4ft C - C. Missing # 36. Zinc: # 1 - 12, spotted: #13 - 61. Asking: $200 12. FLUTE - open wood. Has definite "chiff". Looks very vintage but GOOD Cond. 20 notes 2 ft C - G. Asking: $20 13. STOPPED FLUTE - Swell. Wood. VERY Clean 36 notes 4' C - B. Missing #21,23,28,32,33,35. Asking: $30 14. CLARABELLA - Marked: "#1955". wood slide-tuned. trebles cone-tuned. 61 notes 4'C - C. Missing: # 11,12,13. Very good cond. Asking: $180 15. BOURDON - junk set. Many stoppers and /or feet missing. Use to fill = out sets, decoration, remake as an open, or BTU's? Was 49 notes 2' C - B . Missing: #8,9,14,17,18,22,24,40,41,42,44,46,47. Asking: Any offer 16. GT. FLUTE, many missing, Use to fill out sets, decoration, or BTU's? Was 36 notes from 2ft C# - C. Missing # 1-6,8,9,12,16-18,19. Asking: Any Offer 17. STOPPED FLUTE - Large scale (almost Tibia like) Marked: "# 2237" Was 32 notes 8' CC - G. Missing: #1 - 11. Good condition - long toes; many loose. Asking: $35 18. FLUTE- TYPE TREBLES, sleeve tuned. 24 notes C# - C. Missing # 23 Asking: $30 19. 16' OPEN FLUTE - ODELL. Bottom octave plus 5 note chest for lowest 5 notes Asking: $750 20. MICELLANEOUS ITEMS: CHESTS - Robert Morton Open Diapason pedal Chest - very rough, but   rebuildable. Offer? Austin? 32 note pedal chest - Asking: Any offer Hinners Tub. Pneum. Chests-, can be made Direct Electric. 3 & 4 rnk. Asking: Free or donation. 59 WIRE ADJ. SWELL CONTACT ROLLER. Asking: $20 3' X 5 FT CONE VALVE REGULATOR. With springs.Leather OK but may need rebuild. Box over valve missing. Asking: $50 Chime Tubes: Wurlitzer? - 18 notes CC - F. Missing #17. Deagan Class M: 21 notes - A440 - F. Missing #21. Asking: Any Offers 30 note solid oak Hinners pedal board. Asking: $20 THEATER ORGAN ITEMS: 1. ROBERT MORTON VOX HUMANA - 2 sets. Very much in need of cleaning. Set 1 - 58 notes 8 ft C - A. Missing # 4,5,7,12,57 Set 2 - 58 notes 8 ft C - F. Missing # 1-7,12,14,16,25,36,37,44,47,48,50 52,55-58. Asking: BOTH SETS $150 2. ROBERT MORTON STOPPED CONCERT FLUTE - Very Good Physical condition but needs cleaning. 3 missing toes in 8ft section. 85 notes: 16ft CCC - C(trebles). Breaks to Open at 4' F. Asking: $250 3. Robert Morton stopped Flute - Good condition. Breaks to Open at 4ft F. 61 notes: 8ft CC - C. Missing # 32,46,48,53,57-59,61. Asking: $95 4. ROBERT MORTON TUBA as follows: 16ft. CCC - BB resonators only(mitered) no reeds.(stolen) 61 notes from 8ft. CC - C. #1,3 Resonator missing. Broken # 2,19,20,52. Will consider selling 16' and 8' separately. Asking: $400 5. WURLITZER OPEN DIAPASON. Physically OK but needs good cleaning ONLY 63 notes from 8ft. A# - C(trebles) Asking: $75 6. ROBERT MORTON TREBLES: String - 12 notes C# - C Asking: $20 Flute - 29 notes G# - C Asking: $20   MORE TO FOLLOW IN NEAR FUTURE!!      
(back) Subject: Warning - Possible outages tomorrow From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:29:31 -0600   Hi Folks   Just a note to let you know there is the possibility of server outages with the PipeChat server tomorrow during the day. I have having a whole new electrical service put in at my house. The electricians and i have covered the fact that the servers need to be kept running during this switchover and they have assured me that they can make the switch without causing the servers to go down.   HOWEVER, I just wanted to warn everyone about this, knowing Murphy's Law and all that!! <G> All the machines here are on UPS (Uninterrupted Power Supply) to keep them up during a short outage so they should kick in which the feed for the server room is being switched. But just in case I wanted to let you know about this in advance.   Any mail you send to the list may be delayed because of this project. There is a backup mail server that will receive your messages to the list and hold them in case of an outage. And will then forward them on to the list server. So if you send a message to the list and it doesn't come back to you right away don't worry, it will appear eventually.   Hopefully all of this writing is in naught but just in case....   David -- ********************************************************* DIYAPASON-L - a mailing list for the owners/builders of their own home pipe organ  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] finally a list!(long-discard if you don't need parts) From: "homer valenzona" <dochome@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:44:48 GMT   Hi John, I am interested in items no. 13.(Flute stopped) 36 notes and no. 18 flute type trebles. Can you please give me scale of the low C sharp of item 13 = and compass of the trebles (no.19). Are these items good candidates for UPS ground.Thanks. Homer   >From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> >Reply-To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> >To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >CC: strang9@gateway.net >Subject: [Residence Organs] finally a list!(long-discard if you don't = need >parts) >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:37:56 -0500 > >Dear Listers, > >We are restoring a mostly Wurlizer organ for installation in a local High >School. One way to fund-raise is to sell off surplus stuff, classical as >well as Theater. As a not for profit amateur volunteer group we have no >overhead, and most stuff is salvage or donated. The aim is to move the >stuff out!. We'll readily bargain until an agreement is reached which = makes >us very competitive. We don't charge for packing, just actual shipping >costs; so don't discount us if you're far. We have shipped stuff to Fla, >Illinois, Oregon, etc. where people still felt they got a bargain. We try >to find a home for everything even if it has to go to eBay as "decorative >items". We're in Poughkeespie, NY. Let me know if you want to come for a >first-hand look. > >The following is an early list. We are planning a Website soon for this >list which will make updating easier. We may also soon get a complete = small >Estey pipe organ. (again!) I'll let you know. >Remember, all prices are "asking". While we have to be firmer on some >things, we'll consider any offer as we don't want to keep any of this. >Thanks for your time. >************************************* > >1.`HARMONIC FLUTE - wood - marked "Concert Flute" >24 notes 2ft C# - C. Missing #3 >Asking: $35 >2. FLAUTO TRAVERSO - wood - marked "Roselle # 945" >32 notes 4ft C - G. Missing #27,29,31 >Asking: $45 >3. ECHO DOLCE FLUTE - wood - marked # "1527" >49 notes 4ft C - C. Exc. Cond. >Asking: $75 >4. STOPPED DIAPASON - wood - >Two identical sets of 16 notes each. Good condition. 4Ft C - D# >Asking: $30/pair >5. CLARINET - linen-lead resonators, maybe Austin >68 notes 8ft C - G. # 36 missing. Like NEW! >Asking: $375 >6. CLARINET - lead/tin resonators >61 notes 8ft C - C. #4,6, 36 missing. Exc. Cond. >Asking: $300 >7. DULCIANA - spotted metal - Exc. Cond. >72 notes 8ft. CC - C. #1,2,3,5 missing (remaining lowest 8 pipes = Haskells) >Asking: $300 >8. GAMBA - Spotted Metal - Good to Exc. Cond. >44 notes 4 ft C - G. Also: 13 notes 8ft CC - C. # 12(BB) missing. >Asking: $200 >9. VOX HUMANA - linen-lead resonators. Marked " #430 VOX HU." maybe = Austin. >68 notes 8ft C - G. Like NEW! Still wrapped from the voicer. >Asking: $400 >10. PEDAL STRING - Marked: "PED VIO." >20 Notes 4ft C - G. Good to Fair Cond. #1 - 7 zinc, # 8 - 20 spotted = metal. >Asking: $35 >11. SWELL VIOLIN - Marked: " #1226 F. Mahler" Very Good Cond. >61 notes 4ft C - C. Missing # 36. Zinc: # 1 - 12, spotted: #13 - 61. >Asking: $200 >12. FLUTE - open wood. Has definite "chiff". Looks very vintage but GOOD >Cond. 20 notes 2 ft C - G. >Asking: $20 >13. STOPPED FLUTE - Swell. Wood. VERY Clean >36 notes 4' C - B. Missing #21,23,28,32,33,35. >Asking: $30 >14. CLARABELLA - Marked: "#1955". wood slide-tuned. trebles cone-tuned. >61 notes 4'C - C. Missing: # 11,12,13. Very good cond. >Asking: $180 >15. BOURDON - junk set. Many stoppers and /or feet missing. Use to fill = out >sets, decoration, remake as an open, or BTU's? >Was 49 notes 2' C - B . Missing: #8,9,14,17,18,22,24,40,41,42,44,46,47. >Asking: Any offer >16. GT. FLUTE, many missing, Use to fill out sets, decoration, or BTU's? >Was 36 notes from 2ft C# - C. Missing # 1-6,8,9,12,16-18,19. >Asking: Any Offer >17. STOPPED FLUTE - Large scale (almost Tibia like) Marked: "# 2237" >Was 32 notes 8' CC - G. Missing: #1 - 11. >Good condition - long toes; many loose. >Asking: $35 >18. FLUTE- TYPE TREBLES, sleeve tuned. >24 notes C# - C. Missing # 23 >Asking: $30 >19. 16' OPEN FLUTE - ODELL. > Bottom octave plus 5 note chest for lowest 5 notes > Asking: $750 >20. MICELLANEOUS ITEMS: > CHESTS - Robert Morton Open Diapason pedal Chest - very rough, but > > rebuildable. > Offer? > Austin? 32 note pedal chest - > Asking: Any offer > Hinners Tub. Pneum. Chests-, can be made Direct Electric. 3 & 4 rnk. > Asking: Free or donation. > 59 WIRE ADJ. SWELL CONTACT ROLLER. > Asking: $20 > 3' X 5 FT CONE VALVE REGULATOR. With springs.Leather OK but may > need rebuild. Box over valve missing. > Asking: $50 > Chime Tubes: Wurlitzer? - 18 notes CC - F. Missing #17. > Deagan Class M: 21 notes - A440 - F. Missing #21. > Asking: Any Offers > 30 note solid oak Hinners pedal board. > Asking: $20 >THEATER ORGAN ITEMS: >1. ROBERT MORTON VOX HUMANA - 2 sets. Very much in need of cleaning. >Set 1 - 58 notes 8 ft C - A. Missing # 4,5,7,12,57 >Set 2 - 58 notes 8 ft C - F. Missing # 1-7,12,14,16,25,36,37,44,47,48,50 >52,55-58. >Asking: BOTH SETS $150 >2. ROBERT MORTON STOPPED CONCERT FLUTE - Very Good Physical condition but >needs cleaning. 3 missing toes in 8ft section. >85 notes: 16ft CCC - C(trebles). Breaks to Open at 4' F. >Asking: $250 >3. Robert Morton stopped Flute - Good condition. Breaks to Open at 4ft F. >61 notes: 8ft CC - C. Missing # 32,46,48,53,57-59,61. >Asking: $95 >4. ROBERT MORTON TUBA as follows: >16ft. CCC - BB resonators only(mitered) no reeds.(stolen) >61 notes from 8ft. CC - C. #1,3 Resonator missing. Broken # 2,19,20,52. >Will consider selling 16' and 8' separately. >Asking: $400 >5. WURLITZER OPEN DIAPASON. Physically OK but needs good cleaning >ONLY 63 notes from 8ft. A# - C(trebles) >Asking: $75 >6. ROBERT MORTON TREBLES: > String - 12 notes C# - C > Asking: $20 > Flute - 29 notes G# - C > Asking: $20 > >MORE TO FOLLOW IN NEAR FUTURE!! > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >   _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.   Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.    
(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] finally a list!(long-discard if you don't need parts) From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:14:03 -0600   May I suggest that if anyone is interesting in any of these ranks / parts, that you email John directly rather than replying to the list. Not everyone on the list might be interested in your inquiry.   Thanks   David  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Refinishing wood pipes From: "Mike McDonald" <pipeorganman@localaccess.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:56:51 -0800   Hi Bob Mike McDonald here good to see your organ is comming along how long before you get it playing do you estimate???   Bob North wrote:   > >Daniel, I have been having fun refinishing the wooden pipes from my = 1923 > 2m/3r Frazee organ. I started by washing them with Murphy's Oil Soap, > rising clean and letting them dry. Then I used french polish (shellac) > >and have put on a number of coats, until the pipes have a nice gloss > finish. The pipes have a great finish and will look great on display, as > none will be hidden. A word of caution: shellac is diluted in alcohol, > which is HIGHLY FLAMABLE. Use only in a well ventilated area, (like > outside). Safety gear, like gloves, mask and eye protection are a must. > Good luck, I really enjoyed working with mine. Now........the metal = pipes. > Regards.........Bob > > > > > >>I am about to refinish some of my wood Pipes.I bought shellac > >>What do I do to refinish these pipes, ANd what do I do when I get near > >>the mouths.I dont want to start till I get some advice > >> Thank you > >> Daniel WH > >> "2000 E. Power Biggs Fellow Recipient" > >> > >> > >>DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > >>Residence Pipe Organs. > >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > >>List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > >>Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >> > >> > >> > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Building my Own From: "Hugh Knapton" <knapton@superaje.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:07:46 -0500   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1239074364=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ; format=3D"flowed"   Sorry folks!   Scroll down if impatient. I have been away from things for awhile and need to deal with 92 messages from this list... I will do the best I are!   REEDS   In adapting older reeds, one may well wish to consider vintage and scale..... the most important being the scale..... this is not just the diameter at the top of the tube (albeit important)... but also the relative scales of the shallot itself..... Almost any reed (within reason) will work on any reasonably close pressure, providing that the revoicer is reasonably experienced....   TRACING CABLES   I trace cables with the aid of a basic "multi meter" and a transistor radio. Using the meter on ohms, I attach a positive feed (12 volt) to the wire I am trying to trace..... touch the other lead to the bared ends of the "million and a half" wires where I am hoping to find a match to and listen!.... the transistor radio being tuned to the ball game ( hockey, opera, etc.), all at low volume and not to be heard by the people attending the funeral/service below.... will crackle when I hit the right wire... only then do I trouble my eyes to confirm my suspicions by looking at the meter.   DIME SIZE MAGNETS   I am wondering if these magnets are really just the armatures!   WELCOME MARK... Good luck!   MATERIAL ON PIPE STOPPERS   The choice of felt/leather/etc. is really dependent upon the climate you operate in. More important than temperature variations is humidity variations in determining this.   CORK   This has no place in an organ whatsoever! The quality of cork that was available 40-60 years ago is no longer available.... probably a good thing! ... it has very little to justify itself.... it is best for use in wine bottles!   DISCARDED PIPES & ROHR FLUTES ETC.   Any pipes are likely to be of some use to someone if they know what to do with them! This is perhaps where we may be most creative. As a professional organ builder, I have never yet encountered pipe work which could not be re-used somehow.... somewhere.   CONTACT GLUE   I have had very little "long term" success with this material, and no longer even allow it to be in "the shop".   LOCATION   I really wish that those looking for something (or selling something) would routinely state where they are located.   LEAD I thought that I had a lot to say in this regard.... especially with regard to long term memory loss...unfortunately I cannot remember what this was.....   WELCOME MICHAEL.... help you if I can   MITRING (MITERING TO THOSE IN THE U. S)   Pipes often need to be mitred. This, in itself, can be a complicated issue. A 90 degree mitre is NEVER acceptable.... but was often used throughout the "American" production system... it is now realized that limits did prevail!   TONGUES   Someone ( I can't remember who) suggested that new tongues are required to resurrect a reed rank. This is not at all true!   Generally speaking, a "tongue" in capable hands, will outlast "all of us". NEW TONGUES are rarely required, and when they are, it had better be only for artistic change.   Will expand upon any of these issues if required... but am extremely busy right now!     Hugh           --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1239074364=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!-- blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { margin-top: 0 ; margin-bottom: 0 } --></style><title>Re: [Residence Organs] Building my Own</title></head><body> <div>Sorry folks!</div> <div><br></div> <div>Scroll down if impatient. I have been away from things for awhile and need to deal with 92 messages from this list... I will do the best I are!</div> <div><br></div> <div><u>REEDS</u></div> <div><u><br></u></div> <div>In adapting older reeds, one may well wish to consider vintage and scale..... the most important being the scale..... this is not just the diameter at the top of the tube (albeit important)... but also the relative scales of the shallot itself..... Almost any reed (within reason) will work on any reasonably close pressure, providing that the revoicer is reasonably experienced....</div> <div><br></div> <div><u>TRACING CABLES</u></div> <div><u><br></u></div> <div>I trace cables with the aid of a basic &quot;multi meter&quot; and a transistor radio. Using the meter on ohms, I attach a positive feed (12 volt) to the wire I am trying to trace..... touch the other lead to the bared ends of the &quot;million and a half&quot; wires where I am hoping to find a match to and listen!.... the transistor radio being tuned to the ball game ( hockey, opera, etc.), all at low volume and not to be heard by the people attending the funeral/service below.... will crackle when I hit the right wire... only then do I trouble my eyes to confirm my suspicions by looking at the meter.</div> <div><br></div> <div><u>DIME SIZE MAGNETS</u></div> <div><br></div> <div>I am wondering if these magnets are really just the armatures!</div> <div><br></div> <div><u>WELCOME MARK</u>... Good luck!</div> <div><br></div> <div><u>MATERIAL ON PIPE STOPPERS</u></div> <div><u><br></u></div> <div>The choice of felt/leather/etc. is really dependent upon the climate you operate in. More important than temperature variations is humidity variations in determining this.</div> <div><br></div> <div><u>CORK</u></div> <div><br></div> <div>This has no place in an organ whatsoever! The quality of cork that was available 40-60 years ago is no longer available.... probably a good thing! ... it has very little to justify itself.... it is best for use in wine bottles!</div> <div><br></div> <div><u>DISCARDED PIPES &amp; ROHR FLUTES ETC.</u></div> <div><u><br></u></div> <div>Any pipes are likely to be of some use to someone if they know what to do with them! This is perhaps where we may be most creative. As a professional organ builder, I have never yet encountered&nbsp; pipe work which could not be re-used somehow.... somewhere.</div> <div><br></div> <div><u>CONTACT GLUE</u></div> <div><u><br></u></div> <div>I have had very little &quot;long term&quot; success with this material, and no longer even allow it to be in &quot;the shop&quot;.</div> <div><br></div> <div><u>LOCATION</u></div> <div><br></div> <div>I really wish that those looking for something (or selling something) would routinely state where they are located.</div> <div><br></div> <div><u>LEAD</u> I thought that I had a lot to say in this = regard....&nbsp; especially with regard to long term memory loss...unfortunately I cannot remember what this was.....</div> <div><br></div> <div><u>WELCOME MICHAEL</u>.... help you if I can</div> <div><br></div> <div><u>MITRING (MITERING TO THOSE IN THE U. S)</u></div> <div><u><br></u></div> <div>Pipes often need to be mitred. This, in itself, can be a complicated issue. A 90 degree mitre is NEVER acceptable.... but was often used throughout the &quot;American&quot; production system... it is now realized that limits did prevail!</div> <div><br></div> <div><u>TONGUES</u></div> <div><u><br></u></div> <div>Someone ( I can't remember who) suggested that new tongues are required to&nbsp; resurrect a reed rank. This is not at all true!</div> <div><br></div> <div>Generally speaking, a &quot;tongue&quot; in capable hands, will outlast &quot;all of us&quot;. NEW TONGUES are rarely required, and when they are, it had better be only for artistic change.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Will expand upon any of these issues if required... but am extremely busy right now!</div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <div>Hugh</div> <div><u><br></u></div> <div><br></div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div><br></div> <div>&nbsp;</div> </body> </html> --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1239074364=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] finally a list!(long-discard if you don't need parts) From: "Leah Smith" <gregsmithandleah@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:07:56 -0800   Hello John..Where are you located at? I am interested in some items, but = the shipping can be murder. I live in Claremont, CA. Please let me know when = you get a moment. Thanks. Greg   John Vanderlee wrote:   > Dear Listers, > > We are restoring a mostly Wurlizer organ for installation in a local = High > School. One way to fund-raise is to sell off surplus stuff, classical as > well as Theater. As a not for profit amateur volunteer group we have no > overhead, and most stuff is salvage or donated. The aim is to move the > stuff out!. We'll readily bargain until an agreement is reached which = makes > us very competitive. We don't charge for packing, just actual shipping > costs; so don't discount us if you're far. We have shipped stuff to Fla, > Illinois, Oregon, etc. where people still felt they got a bargain. We = try > to find a home for everything even if it has to go to eBay as = "decorative > items". We're in Poughkeespie, NY. Let me know if you want to come for a > first-hand look. > > The following is an early list. We are planning a Website soon for this > list which will make updating easier. We may also soon get a complete = small > Estey pipe organ. (again!) I'll let you know. > Remember, all prices are "asking". While we have to be firmer on some > things, we'll consider any offer as we don't want to keep any of this. > Thanks for your time. > ************************************* > > 1.`HARMONIC FLUTE - wood - marked "Concert Flute" > 24 notes 2ft C# - C. Missing #3 > Asking: $35 > 2. FLAUTO TRAVERSO - wood - marked "Roselle # 945" > 32 notes 4ft C - G. Missing #27,29,31 > Asking: $45 > 3. ECHO DOLCE FLUTE - wood - marked # "1527" > 49 notes 4ft C - C. Exc. Cond. > Asking: $75 > 4. STOPPED DIAPASON - wood - > Two identical sets of 16 notes each. Good condition. 4Ft C - D# > Asking: $30/pair > 5. CLARINET - linen-lead resonators, maybe Austin > 68 notes 8ft C - G. # 36 missing. Like NEW! > Asking: $375 > 6. CLARINET - lead/tin resonators > 61 notes 8ft C - C. #4,6, 36 missing. Exc. Cond. > Asking: $300 > 7. DULCIANA - spotted metal - Exc. Cond. > 72 notes 8ft. CC - C. #1,2,3,5 missing (remaining lowest 8 pipes = Haskells) > Asking: $300 > 8. GAMBA - Spotted Metal - Good to Exc. Cond. > 44 notes 4 ft C - G. Also: 13 notes 8ft CC - C. # 12(BB) missing. > Asking: $200 > 9. VOX HUMANA - linen-lead resonators. Marked " #430 VOX HU." maybe = Austin. > 68 notes 8ft C - G. Like NEW! Still wrapped from the voicer. > Asking: $400 > 10. PEDAL STRING - Marked: "PED VIO." > 20 Notes 4ft C - G. Good to Fair Cond. #1 - 7 zinc, # 8 - 20 spotted = metal. > Asking: $35 > 11. SWELL VIOLIN - Marked: " #1226 F. Mahler" Very Good Cond. > 61 notes 4ft C - C. Missing # 36. Zinc: # 1 - 12, spotted: #13 - 61. > Asking: $200 > 12. FLUTE - open wood. Has definite "chiff". Looks very vintage but GOOD > Cond. 20 notes 2 ft C - G. > Asking: $20 > 13. STOPPED FLUTE - Swell. Wood. VERY Clean > 36 notes 4' C - B. Missing #21,23,28,32,33,35. > Asking: $30 > 14. CLARABELLA - Marked: "#1955". wood slide-tuned. trebles cone-tuned. > 61 notes 4'C - C. Missing: # 11,12,13. Very good cond. > Asking: $180 > 15. BOURDON - junk set. Many stoppers and /or feet missing. Use to fill = out > sets, decoration, remake as an open, or BTU's? > Was 49 notes 2' C - B . Missing: #8,9,14,17,18,22,24,40,41,42,44,46,47. > Asking: Any offer > 16. GT. FLUTE, many missing, Use to fill out sets, decoration, or BTU's? > Was 36 notes from 2ft C# - C. Missing # 1-6,8,9,12,16-18,19. > Asking: Any Offer > 17. STOPPED FLUTE - Large scale (almost Tibia like) Marked: "# 2237" > Was 32 notes 8' CC - G. Missing: #1 - 11. > Good condition - long toes; many loose. > Asking: $35 > 18. FLUTE- TYPE TREBLES, sleeve tuned. > 24 notes C# - C. Missing # 23 > Asking: $30 > 19. 16' OPEN FLUTE - ODELL. > Bottom octave plus 5 note chest for lowest 5 notes > Asking: $750 > 20. MICELLANEOUS ITEMS: > CHESTS - Robert Morton Open Diapason pedal Chest - very rough, but > > rebuildable. > Offer? > Austin? 32 note pedal chest - > Asking: Any offer > Hinners Tub. Pneum. Chests-, can be made Direct Electric. 3 & 4 = rnk. > Asking: Free or donation. > 59 WIRE ADJ. SWELL CONTACT ROLLER. > Asking: $20 > 3' X 5 FT CONE VALVE REGULATOR. With springs.Leather OK but may > need rebuild. Box over valve missing. > Asking: $50 > Chime Tubes: Wurlitzer? - 18 notes CC - F. Missing #17. > Deagan Class M: 21 notes - A440 - F. Missing = #21. > Asking: Any Offers > 30 note solid oak Hinners pedal board. > Asking: $20 > THEATER ORGAN ITEMS: > 1. ROBERT MORTON VOX HUMANA - 2 sets. Very much in need of cleaning. > Set 1 - 58 notes 8 ft C - A. Missing # 4,5,7,12,57 > Set 2 - 58 notes 8 ft C - F. Missing # 1-7,12,14,16,25,36,37,44,47,48,50 > 52,55-58. > Asking: BOTH SETS $150 > 2. ROBERT MORTON STOPPED CONCERT FLUTE - Very Good Physical condition = but > needs cleaning. 3 missing toes in 8ft section. > 85 notes: 16ft CCC - C(trebles). Breaks to Open at 4' F. > Asking: $250 > 3. Robert Morton stopped Flute - Good condition. Breaks to Open at 4ft = F. > 61 notes: 8ft CC - C. Missing # 32,46,48,53,57-59,61. > Asking: $95 > 4. ROBERT MORTON TUBA as follows: > 16ft. CCC - BB resonators only(mitered) no reeds.(stolen) > 61 notes from 8ft. CC - C. #1,3 Resonator missing. Broken # 2,19,20,52. > Will consider selling 16' and 8' separately. > Asking: $400 > 5. WURLITZER OPEN DIAPASON. Physically OK but needs good cleaning > ONLY 63 notes from 8ft. A# - C(trebles) > Asking: $75 > 6. ROBERT MORTON TREBLES: > String - 12 notes C# - C > Asking: $20 > Flute - 29 notes G# - C > Asking: $20 > > MORE TO FOLLOW IN NEAR FUTURE!! > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] finally a list!(long-discard if you don't need parts) From: "Leah Smith" <gregsmithandleah@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:10:15 -0800   Hello John...Scratch that last inquirey..I just read you were in = NY...Duh!!! I guess i should bone up on my reading skills some...HA!. Take care...Greg   John Vanderlee wrote:   > Dear Listers, > > We are restoring a mostly Wurlizer organ for installation in a local = High > School. One way to fund-raise is to sell off surplus stuff, classical as > well as Theater. As a not for profit amateur volunteer group we have no > overhead, and most stuff is salvage or donated. The aim is to move the > stuff out!. We'll readily bargain until an agreement is reached which = makes > us very competitive. We don't charge for packing, just actual shipping > costs; so don't discount us if you're far. We have shipped stuff to Fla, > Illinois, Oregon, etc. where people still felt they got a bargain. We = try > to find a home for everything even if it has to go to eBay as = "decorative > items". We're in Poughkeespie, NY. Let me know if you want to come for a > first-hand look. > > The following is an early list. We are planning a Website soon for this > list which will make updating easier. We may also soon get a complete = small > Estey pipe organ. (again!) I'll let you know. > Remember, all prices are "asking". While we have to be firmer on some > things, we'll consider any offer as we don't want to keep any of this. > Thanks for your time. > ************************************* > > 1.`HARMONIC FLUTE - wood - marked "Concert Flute" > 24 notes 2ft C# - C. Missing #3 > Asking: $35 > 2. FLAUTO TRAVERSO - wood - marked "Roselle # 945" > 32 notes 4ft C - G. Missing #27,29,31 > Asking: $45 > 3. ECHO DOLCE FLUTE - wood - marked # "1527" > 49 notes 4ft C - C. Exc. Cond. > Asking: $75 > 4. STOPPED DIAPASON - wood - > Two identical sets of 16 notes each. Good condition. 4Ft C - D# > Asking: $30/pair > 5. CLARINET - linen-lead resonators, maybe Austin > 68 notes 8ft C - G. # 36 missing. Like NEW! > Asking: $375 > 6. CLARINET - lead/tin resonators > 61 notes 8ft C - C. #4,6, 36 missing. Exc. Cond. > Asking: $300 > 7. DULCIANA - spotted metal - Exc. Cond. > 72 notes 8ft. CC - C. #1,2,3,5 missing (remaining lowest 8 pipes = Haskells) > Asking: $300 > 8. GAMBA - Spotted Metal - Good to Exc. Cond. > 44 notes 4 ft C - G. Also: 13 notes 8ft CC - C. # 12(BB) missing. > Asking: $200 > 9. VOX HUMANA - linen-lead resonators. Marked " #430 VOX HU." maybe = Austin. > 68 notes 8ft C - G. Like NEW! Still wrapped from the voicer. > Asking: $400 > 10. PEDAL STRING - Marked: "PED VIO." > 20 Notes 4ft C - G. Good to Fair Cond. #1 - 7 zinc, # 8 - 20 spotted = metal. > Asking: $35 > 11. SWELL VIOLIN - Marked: " #1226 F. Mahler" Very Good Cond. > 61 notes 4ft C - C. Missing # 36. Zinc: # 1 - 12, spotted: #13 - 61. > Asking: $200 > 12. FLUTE - open wood. Has definite "chiff". Looks very vintage but GOOD > Cond. 20 notes 2 ft C - G. > Asking: $20 > 13. STOPPED FLUTE - Swell. Wood. VERY Clean > 36 notes 4' C - B. Missing #21,23,28,32,33,35. > Asking: $30 > 14. CLARABELLA - Marked: "#1955". wood slide-tuned. trebles cone-tuned. > 61 notes 4'C - C. Missing: # 11,12,13. Very good cond. > Asking: $180 > 15. BOURDON - junk set. Many stoppers and /or feet missing. Use to fill = out > sets, decoration, remake as an open, or BTU's? > Was 49 notes 2' C - B . Missing: #8,9,14,17,18,22,24,40,41,42,44,46,47. > Asking: Any offer > 16. GT. FLUTE, many missing, Use to fill out sets, decoration, or BTU's? > Was 36 notes from 2ft C# - C. Missing # 1-6,8,9,12,16-18,19. > Asking: Any Offer > 17. STOPPED FLUTE - Large scale (almost Tibia like) Marked: "# 2237" > Was 32 notes 8' CC - G. Missing: #1 - 11. > Good condition - long toes; many loose. > Asking: $35 > 18. FLUTE- TYPE TREBLES, sleeve tuned. > 24 notes C# - C. Missing # 23 > Asking: $30 > 19. 16' OPEN FLUTE - ODELL. > Bottom octave plus 5 note chest for lowest 5 notes > Asking: $750 > 20. MICELLANEOUS ITEMS: > CHESTS - Robert Morton Open Diapason pedal Chest - very rough, = but > > rebuildable. > Offer? > Austin? 32 note pedal chest - > Asking: Any offer > Hinners Tub. Pneum. Chests-, can be made Direct Electric. 3 & 4 = rnk. > Asking: Free or donation. > 59 WIRE ADJ. SWELL CONTACT ROLLER. > Asking: $20 > 3' X 5 FT CONE VALVE REGULATOR. With springs.Leather OK but may > need rebuild. Box over valve missing. > Asking: $50 > Chime Tubes: Wurlitzer? - 18 notes CC - F. Missing #17. > Deagan Class M: 21 notes - A440 - F. Missing = #21. > Asking: Any Offers > 30 note solid oak Hinners pedal board. > Asking: $20 > THEATER ORGAN ITEMS: > 1. ROBERT MORTON VOX HUMANA - 2 sets. Very much in need of cleaning. > Set 1 - 58 notes 8 ft C - A. Missing # 4,5,7,12,57 > Set 2 - 58 notes 8 ft C - F. Missing # 1-7,12,14,16,25,36,37,44,47,48,50 > 52,55-58. > Asking: BOTH SETS $150 > 2. ROBERT MORTON STOPPED CONCERT FLUTE - Very Good Physical condition = but > needs cleaning. 3 missing toes in 8ft section. > 85 notes: 16ft CCC - C(trebles). Breaks to Open at 4' F. > Asking: $250 > 3. Robert Morton stopped Flute - Good condition. Breaks to Open at 4ft = F. > 61 notes: 8ft CC - C. Missing # 32,46,48,53,57-59,61. > Asking: $95 > 4. ROBERT MORTON TUBA as follows: > 16ft. CCC - BB resonators only(mitered) no reeds.(stolen) > 61 notes from 8ft. CC - C. #1,3 Resonator missing. Broken # 2,19,20,52. > Will consider selling 16' and 8' separately. > Asking: $400 > 5. WURLITZER OPEN DIAPASON. Physically OK but needs good cleaning > ONLY 63 notes from 8ft. A# - C(trebles) > Asking: $75 > 6. ROBERT MORTON TREBLES: > String - 12 notes C# - C > Asking: $20 > Flute - 29 notes G# - C > Asking: $20 > > MORE TO FOLLOW IN NEAR FUTURE!! > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org