DIYAPASON-L Digest #300 - Friday, April 13, 2001
 
[Residence Organs]  RE: [Residence Organs] Nazard
  by "Nemesio Valle, III" <nevst3@imap.pitt.edu>
[Residence Organs]  RE: [Residence Organs] Nazard
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
[Residence Organs]  RE: [Residence Organs] Nazard
  by "Jon" <sparky@chesco.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  RE: [Residence Organs] Nazard
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  RE: [Residence Organs] Nazard
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
 

(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Nazard From: "Nemesio Valle, III" <nevst3@imap.pitt.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:10:31 -0400   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1224983862=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ; format=3D"flowed"   A nazard is generally a rank which sounds at 2 2/3' (the fifth), although occasionally it can sound an octave higher at 1 1/3'. I have never heard a nazard speak at 1 3/5'; this would be called a tierce (and it speaks a third). Although I expect it is not unheard of, every nazard I have seen were open (not stopped, like a Gedeckt) pipes. On some old German organs you will see the Nazard often labeled as 3'.   Generally, the nazard is an independent rank, although lesser organ builders will borrow from an existing unison stop. This causes tuning problems however. In the equal temperment system which is largely used today, the fifths are all slightly out of tune. If the pipes are borrowed from a preexisting unison stop, then it will be out of tune with the rest of the organ (although it is not awful). If it exists as an independent rank, it will be tuned perfectly (no beats).   There is no problem borrowing a larigot (1 1/3') from a nazard, however, although borrowing (as a rule) should try to be avoided.   The small practice Moller instruments at Duquesne and U. Pitt have nazard/larigots and they are always independent, even though the organs are 3-8 ranks.   This should help. I discourage borrowing from another stop, simply because of the tuning issues.   Nemesio     >Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 >Content-Description: HTML > >Dear Steve >here goes nothing A Nazard is tropically drawn from the Gedeckt stop >and is the last 2 octaves of the gedeckt that will break back in >1/3s at least that is how mine dose it is a 5 rank Austin/kilgen the >nazard is usually found as 11/3 or 13/5 or maybe 22/3 and topically >are found on organs bigger that three ranks I hope I have been of >some help >john > >>>> <mailto:steve.pitts@adtran.com>steve.pitts@adtran.com 04/12/01 = 03:18PM >>> > >Could someone explain to me ..exactly what is a Nazard? in smaller unit >organs is a Nazard typically borrowed from another rank? > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : ><http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/>http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: ><mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org>mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org   -- Nemesio Valle, III University of Pittsburgh Duquesne University   Address: 5802 Callowhill Street Pittsburgh, PA 15206 Phone: 412-365-0340   Email: nevst3@pitt.edu   "The purpose of art is not the release of a momentary ejection of adrenaline but is, rather, the gradual, lifelong construction of a state of wonder and serenity." Glenn Gould   "I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him." Galileo Galilei   "Specialization is for insects." Lazarus Long   "Competitions are for horses, not artists." Bela Bartok   "Understanding is both the first principle and the source of good sound writing." Horace --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1224983862=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!-- blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { margin-top: 0 ; margin-bottom: 0 } --></style><title>[Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Nazard</title></head><body> <div>A nazard is generally a rank which sounds at 2 2/3' (the fifth), although occasionally it can sound an octave higher at 1 1/3'.&nbsp; I have never heard a nazard speak at 1 3/5'; this would be called a tierce (and it speaks a third).&nbsp; Although I expect it is not unheard of, every nazard I have seen were open (not stopped, like a Gedeckt) pipes.&nbsp; On some old German organs you will see the Nazard often labeled as 3'.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Generally, the nazard is an independent rank, although lesser organ builders will borrow from an existing unison stop.&nbsp; This causes tuning problems however.&nbsp; In the equal temperment system which is largely used today, the fifths are all slightly out of tune.&nbsp; If the pipes are borrowed from a preexisting unison stop, then it will be out of tune with the rest of the organ (although it is not awful).&nbsp; If it exists as an independent rank, it will be tuned perfectly (no beats).</div> <div><br></div> <div>There is no problem borrowing a larigot (1 1/3') from a nazard, however, although borrowing (as a rule) should try to be avoided.</div> <div><br></div> <div>The small practice Moller instruments at Duquesne and U. Pitt have nazard/larigots and they are always independent, even though the organs are 3-8 ranks. </div> <div><br></div> <div>This should help.&nbsp; I discourage borrowing from another stop, simply because of the tuning issues.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Nemesio</div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite>Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1<br> Content-Description: HTML<br> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite><font size=3D"-2">Dear Steve</font></blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite><font size=3D"-2">here goes nothing A Nazard is tropically drawn from the Gedeckt stop and is the last 2 octaves of the gedeckt that will break back in 1/3s at least that is how mine dose it is a 5 rank Austin/kilgen the nazard is usually found as 11/3 or 13/5&nbsp; or maybe 22/3 and topically are found on organs bigger that three ranks I hope I have been of some help</font></blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite><font size=3D"-2">john</font><br> <br> &gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:steve.pitts@adtran.com">steve.pitts@adtran.com</a> 04/12/01 03:18PM &gt;&gt;&gt;<br> <br> Could someone explain to me ..exactly what is a Nazard? in smaller unit<br> organs is a Nazard typically borrowed from another rank?<br> <br> <br> DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own<br> Residence Pipe Organs.<br> HOMEPAGE : <a href=3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/"><u >http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org</u></a><br> List: <a href=3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org"><u >mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</u></a><br> Administration: <a href=3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org"><u >mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org</u></a></blockquote> <div><br></div>   <div>-- <br> Nemesio Valle, III<br> University of Pittsburgh<br> Duquesne University<br> <br> Address: <x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>5802 Callowhill Street<br> <x-tab>&nbsp; </x-tab><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>Pittsburgh, PA 15206<br> Phone:<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>412-365-0340<br> <br> Email:<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>nevst3@pitt.edu<br> <br> &quot;The purpose of art is not the release of a momentary ejection of adrenaline but is, rather, the gradual, lifelong construction of a state of wonder and serenity.&quot;<br> <x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>Glenn Gould<br> <br> &quot;I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from<br> him.&quot; <br> <x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>Galileo Galilei<br> <br> &quot;Specialization is for insects.&quot;<br> <x-tab> </x-tab><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>Lazarus Long<br> <br> &quot;Competitions are for horses, not artists.&quot;<x-tab> </x-tab><br> <x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>Bela Bartok<br> <br> &quot;Understanding is both the first principle and the source of good sound writing.&quot;&nbsp; <br> <x-tab>&nbsp; </x-tab><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </x-tab>Horace</div> </body> </html> --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1224983862=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--  
(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Nazard From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:49:43 -0400   Also I believe most independent Nazards are tapered (conical) open flutes made of metal. My Moller Nazard is tapered and the ones OSI sells are also.   Eric  
(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Nazard From: "Jon" <sparky@chesco.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:36:30 -0400   So is my Moller Nazard which speaks at 2 2/3 and 1 1/3.   jon     >Also I believe most independent Nazards are tapered (conical) open >flutes made of metal. My Moller Nazard is tapered and the ones OSI >sells are also. > >Eric > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Nazard From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:31:08 EDT     --part1_26.13f270cb.280867ac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I have a strange nazard,it is a Rhor nazard.It has a cap with a tube in = the cap like a rhor flute. This pipe is going in the choir with a 13/5 tierce, =   they booth came together out of the same organ I think, same manufacture = any way. I have a tapered nazard in the great also. You get that bell tone = sorta. The 8' Borden chest is almost done, it finally is getting sunny around = here! Have fun. Dennis   --part1_26.13f270cb.280867ac_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have a strange = nazard,it is a Rhor nazard.It has a cap with a tube in the <BR>cap like a rhor flute. This pipe is going in the choir with a 13/5 = tierce, <BR>they booth came together out of the same organ I think, same = manufacture any <BR>way. I have a tapered nazard in the great also. You get that bell tone = sorta. <BR>The 8' Borden chest is almost done, it finally is getting sunny around = here! <BR>Have fun. <BR>Dennis</FONT></HTML>   --part1_26.13f270cb.280867ac_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Nazard From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:30:57 -0400   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1224943037=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ; format=3D"flowed"   At 10:31 AM -0400 4/13/01, Pipewheezr@aol.com wrote: >I have a strange nazard,it is a Rhor nazard.It has a cap with a tube in = the >cap like a rhor flute. This pipe is going in the choir with a 13/5 = tierce...   Yes, speaking of strange, my 1 3/5 Tierce is tapered like a Gemshorn. The OSI catalog shows a cylindrical (non tapered) open pipe for the Tierce. It has a very pretty tone though and I think will work well for the Coronet combination.   TGIF, Eric   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1224943037=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=3D"us-ascii"   At 10:31 AM -0400 4/13/01, Pipewheezr@aol.com wrote:   <excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>I have a strange nazard,it is a Rhor nazard.It has a cap with a tube in the   cap like a rhor flute. This pipe is going in the choir with a 13/5 tierce...   </smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>   </smaller></fontfamily>Yes, speaking of strange, my 1 3/5 Tierce is tapered like a Gemshorn. The OSI catalog shows a cylindrical (non tapered) open pipe for the Tierce. It has a very pretty tone though and I think will work well for the Coronet combination.     TGIF,   Eric   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1224943037=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--