DIYAPASON-L Digest #369 - Thursday, August 16, 2001
 
Introduction of New Member
  by "john volbeda" <johnvolbeda@hotmail.com>
Fwd: Utah Organ In A Barn
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Fwd: Utah Organ In A Barn
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: Grainger and blower relays
  by "Jon Fick" <jon@VermontFicks.org>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Grainger and blower relays
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Grainger and blower relays
  by "Jon C." <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Grainger and blower relays
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Grainger and blower relays
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Console wiring
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Introduction of New Member From: "john volbeda" <johnvolbeda@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:49:53 -0700   Hello All,   David Scribner asked me to send this to the list as a way of introducing myself. Here goes . . .   My name is John Volbeda, living in the Riverside, California area for the past 40 years. I spent my first 10 years in Holland (yes I'm almost 50!). = Since my three older sisters took organ lessons, I thought this was normal =   and asked to take lessons at age 9. This was the start of my passion for =   playing the organ. Unlike my older sisters, I kept playing and at age 16, =   received permission to play a Church pipe organ for an 8th grade = graduation. Someone from our Church discovered that I could play, and I started playing a three manual pipe organ on Sunday evening. After getting = married, I spent the next 20 years as the organist for a Church in Corona, California. The Hammond organ was quickly replaced with a three manual Allen organ (yes, not a pipe organ but an improvement over the aging Hammond) and I was playing four services per week plus weddings and = memorial services. Enough about that!   During my college days, I found several pipe organ construction books in = the library and spent way toooo much time reading them. This is where I developed a desire and a passion to build a pipe organ. Since my Dad had = a cabinet shop with lots of free lumber, I built my first wooden pipe and = also started to build a pedal keyboard. Because I lacked the recipes and = money, my father suggested I "wait until I get a good job and then start up my = pipe organ project". I followed his advice for 25 years, but two years ago I started collecting pipe organ parts (I have a good job, but not much money =   left to build a pipe organ). I now have about 13 ranks of pipes in = storage, a couple of EP chests, keyboard and pedal board, a 1 HP blower and a = Moller reservoir. This is a DIY project with little or no budget. I hope I=92m = in good company. My first major task is to re-build an 18x24 Moller = reservoir and connect the blower, keyboard, chest and test out some pipes!   My short-term goal is to build a classical unit residential pipe organ (electric or EP action) for our modest 1,500 Sq Ft home. I will need to figure out how to squeeze 6 ranks of pipes into a 3x8 footprint. My long-term goal is to convert our fourth bedroom into a pipe organ chamber and open up the wall so it will speak into our 18x24 living room. (I will =   start this when my wife is out of town.) I plan to use the Artisan Instruments control system and possible add a couple of voices from their =93Ranks in a box=94 system.   I have already met many great people through this project; some only by E-mail and others by phone. I have met many people in person, and we all seem to have the same passion. I remind those around me that I am not having a mid life crisis. I am glad to be part of this group and look forward to learning, growing, meeting many of you and making progress. = Good luck to all of you in your projects!   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp    
(back) Subject: Fwd: Utah Organ In A Barn From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 05:58:15 -0500   I am forwarding this posting that appeared on the PipeChat list for those of you who aren't members of that list since it is of interest to those of us building our own instruments.   David   >Here's a link to an article in the Salt Lake Tribune about a Utah >farmer who has built an organ in his barn. > >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=3D/news/archive/2001/08/13/= state1642EDT7314.DTL > >If this link doesn't end up together (i.e. it comes out on two >separate lines) when it gets posted on the list, you'll have to >string both lines together in the address window of your browser. >    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fwd: Utah Organ In A Barn From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:44:13 -0400   Here's a web sight for Hal called the Hoopernacle containing four=20 older articles with pictures. I'm glad to see there is a newer=20 article. I'll have to read it when I get a chance.   http://members.aol.com/Hooprncle/   Eric       At 5:58 AM -0500 8/16/01, David Scribner wrote: >I am forwarding this posting that appeared on the PipeChat list for=20 >those of you who aren't members of that list since it is of interest=20 >to those of us building our own instruments. > >David > >>Here's a link to an article in the Salt Lake Tribune about a Utah=20 >>farmer who has built an organ in his barn. >> >>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=3D/news/archive/2001/08=20 >>/13/state1642EDT7314.DTL >> >>If this link doesn't end up together (i.e. it comes out on two=20 >>separate lines) when it gets posted on the list, you'll have to=20 >>string both lines together in the address window of your browser. >> > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Grainger and blower relays From: "Jon Fick" <jon@VermontFicks.org> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:46:17 -0400   I registered a trade name with the state of Vermont five years ago (not an incorporation, just a name.) The one-page certificate with embossed state seal was all I needed recently to open an account at Grainger. Companies like Grainger and MacMaster Carr represent availability, not good price. But, it's nice to have them around. For things like relays, contactors, etc, one might also try the surplus route such as www.SurplusSales.com in Lincoln, Nebraska, USA.   My church organ has a Spencer blower with a Century motor that = occasionally fails to get out of it's start mode. I'm concerned that someone will = leave the blower on someday in start mode, brushes whining and wearing, etc. (At least it will help to restore the ozone layer!) I've been thinking about incorporating a microprocessor in the blower's starting relay circuit to monitor the pneumatic switch and time out if the wind pressure doesn't = come up to the normal level. I may program it to de-energize the blower relay, wait until it spins down, then retry, perhaps several times.   Someday. Meanwhile, careful education suffices.   Jon Fick jon@VermontFicks.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Grainger and blower relays From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:48:21 EDT     > >My church organ has a Spencer blower with a Century motor that = occasionally >fails to get out of it's start mode. I'm concerned that someone will = leave >the blower on someday in start mode, brushes whining and wearing, etc.   The brushes in their bronze holder on my orgoblo anyway with it's Century motor release by centrifugal force, so it would seem to me the problem = might be a sticky or intermittant binding mechanism would be to blame, OR the = motor is not getting up to speed on certain starts for some reason, maybe a bad winding? Probably the cheapest monitor might be a cheap intercom you can listen to the startup with.   Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Grainger and blower relays From: "Jon C." <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:22:37 -0500   At 09:48 AM 8/16/01 -0400, you wrote: > > > >My church organ has a Spencer blower with a Century motor that = occasionally > >fails to get out of it's start mode. I'm concerned that someone will = leave > >the blower on someday in start mode, brushes whining and wearing, etc     Get a motor repairman in there to check it out before something happens to =   make the resultant repairs far more expensive.   jch      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Grainger and blower relays From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:39:57 -0500   --=3D_A0FAED53.0A6A1181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   here is question for anyone , dose anyone know of any older sold state = =3D relay that is just laying around just waiting to be sold anyone , I am in = =3D need of one of these=3D20   thanks JC   >>> opus1100@catoe.org 08/16/01 09:22AM >>>=3D20 At 09:48 AM 8/16/01 -0400, you wrote:=3D20 > >=3D20 > >My church organ has a Spencer blower with a Century motor that =3D occasionally=3D20 > >fails to get out of it's start mode. I'm concerned that someone will = =3D leave=3D20 > >the blower on someday in start mode, brushes whining and wearing, =3D etc=3D20     Get a motor repairman in there to check it out before something happens = =3D to=3D20 make the resultant repairs far more expensive.=3D20   jch=3D20       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=3D20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=3D20   --=3D_A0FAED53.0A6A1181 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type=3D > <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT: 8pt MS Sans Serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: = =3D 2px"> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>here is&nbsp; question for anyone , dose anyone know = =3D of any=3D20 older sold state relay that is just laying around just waiting to be sold = =3D anyone=3D20 , I am in need of one of these </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>thanks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>JC</FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:opus1100@catoe.org">opus1100@catoe.org</A> 08/16/01 =3D 09:22AM=3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>At 09:48 AM 8/16/01 -0400, you wrote: <BR>&gt; &gt; =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt;My church organ has a Spencer blower with a Century motor that =3D occasionally=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt;fails to get out of it's start mode. I'm concerned that =3D someone=3D20 will leave <BR>&gt; &gt;the blower on someday in start mode, brushes =3D whining and=3D20 wearing, etc <BR><BR><BR>Get a motor repairman in there to check it out = =3D before=3D20 something happens to <BR>make the resultant repairs far more = expensive.=3D20 <BR><BR>jch <BR><BR><BR><BR>DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners =3D and=3D20 builders of their own <BR>Residence Pipe Organs. <BR>HOMEPAGE : <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A></U>=3D20 <BR>List: <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 <BR>Administration: <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A></U>=3D20 <BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>   --=3D_A0FAED53.0A6A1181--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Grainger and blower relays From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:34:43 -0500   At 09:22 AM 8/16/01 -0500, JCH wrote: >At 09:48 AM 8/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >> > >> >My church organ has a Spencer blower with a Century motor that = occasionally >> >fails to get out of it's start mode. I'm concerned that someone will = leave >> >the blower on someday in start mode, brushes whining and wearing, etc > > >Get a motor repairman in there to check it out before something happens = to >make the resultant repairs far more expensive. > >jch >   Indeed, Jon (both Jon's!)   Those old Century motors are built like battleships...if there's something minor wrong with the starting mechanism, it's likely very easy to diagnose and properly repair, for any electric motor serviceman. You might have to look around a bit for an "older" motor serviceman <g>, but get someone in there to FIX it before something really *does* go badly wrong. The cost = is likely to be less than some of the "alternatives" that have been = mentioned.   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR  
(back) Subject: Console wiring From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:40:43 EDT   I guess as they say, "The fun begins" (R) I now have my 75' 100 pair = cable at least to the relay cabinet in the basement, up through the floor and = into the console. I also have the console terminal board set to the point where = I have all 73 sw and all 73 gt wires cable tied and harnessed, and pushed through their respective holes, and ready to strip ends and solder to the brass pins. I also earlier in the year put in new wires from the 8 thumb piston = magnets, and from all of the stop tabs down to the bottom of the console but = leaving the ends of all the wires just loose. Looks like I can start connecting those this week end, and I believe the 8 =   thumb pistons simply wire up one to each of the 8 magnets. I also had previously wired the two manuals with all new wiring, I gather that the sw-sw 4 the gt-gt 4, sw-sw 16 and gt-gt16 and sw unison off are =   obtained by the cross wiring under the manuals. I remember each key had = three wires, with one wire connecting "up" one octave and one conencting "down" = one octave. There are 3 contact strips for the swell manual and 5 for the great and = what confused the heck out of me all along was that there were ALSO 8 manual = ranks and 8 thumb pistons, so for a long time I thought 8 contact strips to connect 8 ranks. But I couldn't figure out why the Swell only had 3 = contact strips when I knew the Swell division had 4 ranks. I put it all aside and thought, someday I'll get around to figuring that out.   "Someday" is here, today :)   Part of the problem is the original console harness was axed, and the = other part is there are 4 straight 2 rank unit chests now for the Great and = Swell replacing the one pitman chest which also had 3, 4' stops taken off 8' = ranks which is no longer the case. Supposedly the design is a simpler thing to wire up, with the keys all = going to their respective relays, then to the chests, the stops which have = actual ranks going to their respective relays and then to their chests. I see where the unison off was connected.   The confusing thing I suppose looking at hundreds of multi-colored wires like so many strands of spaghetti, was figuring out how the Sw-Gt, = Gt-Ped, SW-Ped, Gt-Gt-16, Gt-Gt-4, Sw-Sw4, Sw-Sw16 is supposed to be connected. The pedal also has 44 notes, and has a stop for "4' flute" which was just octaved off the bourdon. I believe the key to all this is in those 3 and 5 contact strips, with 2 = and 4 of them respectively being movable, with the other 2 fixed in place and =   have an adjustment screw. I gather the fixed strip on the Sw is the 8' = and one movable strip is the 16' and another is the 4', and the fixed strip = gets disconnected for the Sw "unison off" That covers the Swell.   But the Great has 5 strips, so following the above that leaves 2 strips I forgot or don't know what they were connected to.   It also appears to me that the 4' and 16' are done with that internal = cross wiring under the manuals and the movable strips which if I am right would = be activated by the rack of small pneumatics with threaded rods that connect = to them.   There is a small wood box with lead tubes and magnets that was all disconnected but I was able to piece together where the tubes went to, and =   some went to those pneumatics, some to 3 pneumatics for the pedalboard contact strips and I will have to refer to my notes for the rest. So if I have this somewhat right so far, then all of the coupler and intermanual tabs would connect to those magnets on that small box, the = thumb pistons would connect to the 8 magnets up top, and all of the coupling etc = is done right there in the console with no special jumper wires I would have = to add to get 4' and 16'   There is also on the console a small green light labeled "test light" was that just connected to the blower circuit or was it used to "test" = something" as the label implies?   I will also be connecting the 20 tube Liberty chimes, the Moller had a = small Deagan keyboard mounted under the Great, I won't have that, the chimes would be wired into the console, which manual is the one to use and would I connect the chimes to their respective pitch key notes or some other way = like an octave higher? I'm inclined to say Swell manual and respective pitch keys.   Will also have to get a small wind line to the console. I think I have it mostly figured out which isn't bad considering I never = saw any connections for this nor the inside of any other Moller console to go = by. Sure wish I had Moller blueprints of the organ or orginal wiring diagram = of the console.       Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/