DIYAPASON-L Digest #461 - Friday, December 14, 2001
 
RE: [Residence Organs]  painted pipes
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
RE: [Residence Organs] Handling lead pipes
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  RE: [Residence Organs] Handling lead pipes
  by "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@UntraveledRoad.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  RE: [Residence Organs] Handling lead pipes
  by "Jimmy" <jrbaird@erols.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  RE: [Residence Organs] Handling lead pipes
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  RE: [Residence Organs] Handling lead  pipes
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: Handling lead pipes
  by "Ron Rarick" <ronrarick@mindspring.com>
Re: Organ Voicing
  by <Jess4203@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Organ Voicing
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
Relay Connection
  by "Paul Soulek" <pipeorganpaul@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] painted pipes From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:10:31 -0600     Thanks for the information. Indeed it is a daunting task removing the = paint from large ranks of pipes, but I really do not like the gold paint. = Its just too artificial looking. I have found so far that its pretty quick = to get the paint off of the metal pipes. The big wooden pipes take forever = to get the paint off.   Thanks   Steve Pitts  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Handling lead pipes From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:12:53 -0600       question for the list members:   do organ builders and other folks that handle lead organ pipes a lot wear = gloves, I.E., is it generally advisable to do so?   Steve Pitts  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Handling lead pipes From: "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@UntraveledRoad.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:24:16 -0700   I never worry about handling lead pipes and I blow them all the time. I never knew anyone who worried about it and never heard of anyone that got sick from it.   Kelvin   >question for the list members: > >do organ builders and other folks that handle lead organ pipes a lot wear >gloves, I.E., is it generally advisable to do so? > >Steve Pitts > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Handling lead pipes From: "Jimmy" <jrbaird@erols.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:56:05 -0500   STEVE PITTS wrote: > > do organ builders and other folks that handle lead organ pipes a lot = wear gloves, I.E., is it generally advisable to do so? >   No, I don't, but I wash my hands carefully before eating..   Jimmy  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Handling lead pipes From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:36:23 EST     In a message dated 12/14/01 9:24:38 AM, KelvinSmith@UntraveledRoad.com = writes:   >I never worry about handling lead pipes and I blow them all the time. I >never knew anyone who worried about it and never heard of anyone that got >sick from it. > >Kelvin >     NOT a good idea especially where the lead has white lead oxide powder on = it, don't you read the reports about lead poisoning and that it is = accumulative? I remember reading about a well known builder in the 19th century who = voiced pipes ad blew into them and he died later of lead poisoning when they = finally figured out what his wierd symptoms were. One was his toe was causing problems, gumlines were causing another problem.   Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Handling lead pipes From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:48:03 -0600   At 09:12 AM 12/14/01 -0600, you wrote:   >do organ builders and other folks that handle lead organ pipes a lot wear =   >gloves, I.E., is it generally advisable to do so? > >Steve Pitts   Hi, Steve --   I don't bother to do so (unless the pipes are particularly dirty, that is) BUT..., I also eat lots and lots of salt and cholesterol, smoke = cigarettes, drive faster than the speed limit, and run with scissors. ;-)   Seriously, common sense suggests washing after handling lead (wipe your lips, if you happen to be blowing on pipes for voicing, etc) and soldering fumes should be avoided of course, but believe it or not, lead is a pretty inert material. Just don't chew on it. ;-))   Tim (who probably will spend the afternoon tuning dirty old pipes...)    
(back) Subject: Re: Handling lead pipes From: "Ron Rarick" <ronrarick@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:16:52 -0500   Sounds like the pipe organ world's version of an urban legend to me, unless we can cite a reliable source (just because it's in a book does not mean it's true - beleive me, I'm a professional historian, and some books are like sausages - you don't want to know how it got made). "I once heard of somebody that..." is usually not the introduction to a useful piece of data. This subject has been discussed quite a bit on the Piporg-l list over the years and the consensus is that unless you're chewing on the pipes, or not washing your hands before eating (which your Mommy told you to do, in any case), you'll be okay. My guess is that the principal health hazards in the organ world are falls and power tools. I've known a lot of organ guys over the years and never seen one afflicted with lead poisoning. (Unless bad puns are a symptom, in which case the malady is rampant!)   Ron Rarick     > > NOT a good idea especially where the lead has white lead oxide powder on it, > don't you read the reports about lead poisoning and that it is accumulative? > I remember reading about a well known builder in the 19th century who voiced > pipes ad blew into them and he died later of lead poisoning    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Voicing From: <Jess4203@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:17:07 EST     --part1_9f.2002dc85.294c1ab3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Group:   I was looking for the Monette book, preparing for the day when I'll start voicing my house organ, and I found that there are two books, one by Louis =   Monette called "The Art of Organ Voicing" and one by Monette and C.J. = Stevens (1981) called "Organ Tonal Finishing and Fine Tuning." Does anyone have = any familiarity with either of these books? Can you tell me which to get, or = do I need both? I assume that Monette and Stevens is a later volume and = might be the one to get, but . . . OHS has Monette, but not Monette and Stevens. =   Any help out there?   I'm cleaning Bourdon pipes today, trying to get the couch back . . .   Regards, Roy Kersey   --part1_9f.2002dc85.294c1ab3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi Group: <BR> <BR>I was looking for the Monette book, preparing for the day when I'll = start voicing my house organ, and I found that there are two books, one by = Louis Monette called "The Art of Organ Voicing" and one by Monette and = C.J. Stevens (1981) called "Organ Tonal Finishing and Fine Tuning." = &nbsp;Does anyone have any familiarity with either of these books? = &nbsp;Can you tell me which to get, or do I need both? &nbsp;I assume that = Monette and Stevens is a later volume and might be the one to get, but . . = . OHS has Monette, but not Monette and Stevens. Any help out there? <BR> <BR>I'm cleaning Bourdon pipes today, trying to get the couch back . . . <BR> <BR>Regards, <BR>Roy Kersey </FONT></HTML>   --part1_9f.2002dc85.294c1ab3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Organ Voicing From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:32:16 EST     In a message dated 12/14/01 9:17:52 PM, Jess4203@aol.com writes:   >Hi Group: > >I was looking for the Monette book, preparing for the day when I'll start >voicing my house organ, and I found that there are two books, one by = Louis   I can really say that you cannot learn surgery nor the fine art of voicing =   from a book or a video tape! This is a hands-on apprentice type thing, about all the books can do is = give you some general ideas and basic information. When I worked in a commercial plaster sculpture outfit, one of the most difficult things to teach a new person was how much plaster to add to the water, you went by the FEEL of the mix, when it was right it had a certain =   feel to it when you put your hands in the mix, if it was too thick or too thin the experienced could tell right away.   Another variable was how many molds were going to be poured at one time = and what kind dictated how "rich" the mix was to be to an extent.   Newbies would invariably put way too much or not enough water in, it would =   take many months before they finally got the hang of it. With the wrong plaster mix the worst thing that could happen is you = through away a bucket of mix, with a similar mistake on your pipes you have ruined = an expensive rank possibly beyond repair. Ive been in the organ field for 4 years, and spent a lot of time around = the voicers and I know how to solder (used to make stained glass windows) = undent pipes on the mandrels and solder zinc pipes, but Id NEVER at this point = even attempt to voice pipes nor would I even try soldering spotted metal or = lead pipes! I'll leave that for the pro's and pay the cost as needed.   Randall                  
(back) Subject: Relay Connection From: "Paul Soulek" <pipeorganpaul@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:02:10 -0600   My 4-H project this year is...building an organ! I got some pipes (61-note rank of 4' Principal pipes, built by Kilgen), a reservoir, a blower, a rectifier, and lots of chest magnets. I have some of the 100-wire cable and had a question. Since I don't know much about this, please forgive my apparent stupidity. :-)   How do I connect the chest magnets (with 2 wires coming out) up with the relay (I will be getting an Artisan) and the rectifier (that whole connection-chain thing)? I'm clueless as to how this all gets connected.   Anyone have any other tips as I start out on my "quest"?   Thanks! Paul Soulek, 16 Round Lake, MN   _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com