DIYAPASON-L Digest #465 - Tuesday, December 18, 2001
 
Re: Pipe Speech/Voicing...
  by <TheGluePot@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Re: Pipe Speech/Voicing...
  by "ATOS" <atos@stirlingprop.com>
Major Fire At St John the Divine NYC
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Vox Celeste
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Vox Celeste
  by <kschliet@execpc.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Major Fire At St John the Divine NYC
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Major Fire At St John the Divine NYC
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Major Fire At St John the Divine NYC
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
Elmer Dobson Passed away
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Speech/Voicing... From: <TheGluePot@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:03:19 EST   NEVER SCREW WITH A PIPE MOUTH UNLESS YOU ARE TRAINED!   There are many reasons a pipe will not speak ranging from a pinhole in a bod= y=20 seam to a bowed upper lip. As a voicer I start by looking the pipe over ver= y=20 thoroughly. Look for garbage in the windway. Look for damage along the bod= y=20 seam. Some pipes sag and deform the mouth and much damage can also be done=20 by idiots who never learn to properly use cone tuning. If the upper lip is=20 bowed outward from pipe sag a straight edge is used to push it back into=20 position. Even the wind pressure should be checked with an accurate and=20 recently calibrated gauge.   Never pull or push the upper lip unless the pipe has damage and is deformed=20 from sag. The upper lip and lower lip should have a relative position=20 determined by the voicer of the whole rank. If the upper lip is pulled out=20 the 3rd and 5th harmonics are increased and the pipe can sound "wooly." It=20 will speak again but your harmonic content will be altered from the timbre o= f=20 the rest of the rank.   Assuming the upper lip is properly located over the windway and that both ar= e=20 parallel with the windway and not screwed up, the pipe will not speak unless= =20 the languid is in a correct position. Voicing tools such as languid=20 depressors, languid rods, and languid raisers are used to position the=20 languid so that the windsheet is just touching the outside of the upper lip.= =20 I won't go into the voicing tricks used to find the windsheet position but=20 yanking the upper lip out to make contact with a windsheet that is too far=20 out is not the answer. It is pipe damage.   Many poorly designed chests are made so that the wind produces a concussion=20 on the lower side of the languid and it lifts up to throw the windsheet too=20 far out. This is very true of high tin strings of small scale and thin=20 languid flues. A very gentle lowering of the languid is all that is needed=20 to return speech. VERY GENTLE means sometimes only a few thousandths of an=20 inch. Knowing how to do it *evenly* all the way across the languid is=20 something else you need to master.   Lastly, pipes are voiced "fast" and "slow" which to a voicer are the terms t= o=20 denote where the windsheet is. Fast is moving the sheet in too much with th= e=20 unwanted consequence of making the pipe easy to over blow to a partial; and,= =20 slow means the windsheet is too far out so that oscillation comes on slowly.= =20 This is why a voicer with a pipe on a voicing jack will tap the key to make=20 the pipe repeat and listen to for the starting transients to be correct. =20 Burbling, slowness, unwanted chiff, etc., are all symptoms telling a voicer=20 where the languid is versus where it should be.   At one time most of my business was in pipe repairs and revoicing ranks=20 screwed over by amateur weekend jack knife voicers. After seeing many fine=20 ranks ruined I sold my voicing table and now just melt screwed over pipes=20 down for regulator weights. The moral of the story is that if you don't kno= w=20 what you are doing, don't do anything at all. The last straw for me was a=20 three rank set of Ernest M. Skinner strings someone had decided on which to=20 increase the cutup for playing on a higher pressure. BER - beyond economic=20 repair......   Much of this was oversimplified because this is my busy season running aroun= d=20 doing the tuning for the services... hope it helps somewhat...   Best of Season's Greetings to All...   Al Sefl     =A9reserved...=20  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Re: Pipe Speech/Voicing... From: "ATOS" <atos@stirlingprop.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:32:22 -0600   Al, You REALLY need to write a book. I guarantee you I would buy a copy.   -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of TheGluePot@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:03 AM To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: Pipe Speech/Voicing...     NEVER SCREW WITH A PIPE MOUTH UNLESS YOU ARE TRAINED!   There are many reasons a pipe will not speak ranging from a pinhole in a body seam to a bowed upper lip. As a voicer I start by looking the pipe over very thoroughly. Look for garbage in the windway. Look for damage along the body seam. Some pipes sag and deform the mouth and much damage can also be = done by idiots who never learn to properly use cone tuning. If the upper lip = is bowed outward from pipe sag a straight edge is used to push it back into position. Even the wind pressure should be checked with an accurate and recently calibrated gauge.   Never pull or push the upper lip unless the pipe has damage and is = deformed from sag. The upper lip and lower lip should have a relative position determined by the voicer of the whole rank. If the upper lip is pulled = out the 3rd and 5th harmonics are increased and the pipe can sound "wooly." = It will speak again but your harmonic content will be altered from the timbre of the rest of the rank.   Assuming the upper lip is properly located over the windway and that both are parallel with the windway and not screwed up, the pipe will not speak = unless the languid is in a correct position. Voicing tools such as languid depressors, languid rods, and languid raisers are used to position the languid so that the windsheet is just touching the outside of the upper = lip. I won't go into the voicing tricks used to find the windsheet position but yanking the upper lip out to make contact with a windsheet that is too far out is not the answer. It is pipe damage.   Many poorly designed chests are made so that the wind produces a = concussion on the lower side of the languid and it lifts up to throw the windsheet = too far out. This is very true of high tin strings of small scale and thin languid flues. A very gentle lowering of the languid is all that is = needed to return speech. VERY GENTLE means sometimes only a few thousandths of = an inch. Knowing how to do it *evenly* all the way across the languid is something else you need to master.   Lastly, pipes are voiced "fast" and "slow" which to a voicer are the terms to denote where the windsheet is. Fast is moving the sheet in too much with the unwanted consequence of making the pipe easy to over blow to a partial; = and, slow means the windsheet is too far out so that oscillation comes on = slowly. This is why a voicer with a pipe on a voicing jack will tap the key to = make the pipe repeat and listen to for the starting transients to be correct. Burbling, slowness, unwanted chiff, etc., are all symptoms telling a = voicer where the languid is versus where it should be.   At one time most of my business was in pipe repairs and revoicing ranks screwed over by amateur weekend jack knife voicers. After seeing many = fine ranks ruined I sold my voicing table and now just melt screwed over pipes down for regulator weights. The moral of the story is that if you don't know what you are doing, don't do anything at all. The last straw for me was a three rank set of Ernest M. Skinner strings someone had decided on which = to increase the cutup for playing on a higher pressure. BER - beyond = economic repair......   Much of this was oversimplified because this is my busy season running around doing the tuning for the services... hope it helps somewhat...   Best of Season's Greetings to All...   Al Sefl     =A9reserved...   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Major Fire At St John the Divine NYC From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:34:17 -0400   Turn on CNN    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Vox Celeste From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:40:09 -0600     Last night I just finished connecting my 8 ft Vox Celeste rank to my = keyboard. All of the notes play, but I have observed that several of the = pipes emit a very annoying shrill high pitched whine in addition to the = expected voice. Anybody got any ideas about what to do about it?   Thanks Steve Pitts  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Vox Celeste From: <kschliet@execpc.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:26:41 -0600 (CST)   Is the whine related to the pitch of the pipe? If so, it is blowing a harmonic which can be one of several things: 1 Pressure is too high, although this is unlikely as it is only a few pipes. 2 The roller in front of the mouth is out of place. Try moving it slightly in or out an see if the pipe comes back. 3 Check the mouth opening using a properly playing pipe as a reference. Make sure that nothing is out of place.   Hope this helps, Kurt       > Last night I just finished connecting my 8 ft Vox Celeste rank to my keyboard. All of the notes play, but I have observed that several of the pipes emit a very annoying shrill high pitched whine in addition to the expected voice. Anybody got any ideas about what to do about it? > > Thanks > Steve Pitts > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Major Fire At St John the Divine NYC From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:31:56 EST     In a message dated 12/18/01 7:36:32 AM, danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca writes:   >Turn on CNN >   I dont have CNN   Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Major Fire At St John the Divine NYC From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:53:16 -0500   Me neither! Found the article on the New York Times on the web. What a shame. No mention was made about the organ though.   Eric     At 01:31 PM 12/18/2001 -0500, you wrote:   >In a message dated 12/18/01 7:36:32 AM, danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca writes: > > >Turn on CNN > > > >I dont have CNN > >Randall >http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/ > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Major Fire At St John the Divine NYC From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:44:11 -0400   link to CNN website <http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/18/new.york.fire/index.html> link to NY times <http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/18/nyregion/18CND-CATH.html>    
(back) Subject: Elmer Dobson Passed away From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:36:23 EST   A short time after lunch today Lynn Dobson's father Elmer passed away in = the nursing home where he had been under care for a number of months. I guess = you can say Elmer made it possible for Lynn to become an organ builder and get =   where he is today. The old fellow will be missed around the shop where he sometimes came to check out the progress of an organ.         Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/