DIYAPASON-L Digest #466 - Wednesday, December 19, 2001
 
pipe speech/voicing
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: [Residence Organs]  tuning frequencies
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  tuning frequencies
  by "Peter Schmuckal" <peter@schmuckal.com>
E-mail address for Joe Zivnak
  by "john volbeda" <johnvolbeda@hotmail.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  tuning frequencies
  by "4everaptor" <JABowers@execpc.com>
 

(back) Subject: pipe speech/voicing From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:22:21 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C188DB.A0AD1E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Following on from The Gue Port's sensible words about leaving pipework =3D alone, the worst I've seen is this. ST ANNE'S ANGLICAN CHURCH, NORTHLAND, WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND The wee organ was originally a Frost from England, built in 1829. It had = =3D a barrel mechanism, but could be played as well by hand. The original specification was - 8 Dulciana (to CC in plain metal) 8 Stopped Diapason (wood) 4 Principal .. Mixture II (12.15) The organ was rebuilt in 1955 and all pipes were placed on =3D direct-electric mechanism, the barrel action, old key action and chest =3D all being dumped. A new CCC-BBB octave was added to extend the Stopped =3D Diapason down to 16ft for a Pedal stop. Here is what happened - 8 Open Diapason (the old Principal transposed down, with the bottom =3D octave of the old Dulciana opened up to make a Diapason bass 1-12) 8 Stopped Diapason (original, pipes untouched) 8 Hohl Flute (but actually the Dulciana stoppered, the mouths raised =3D and arched) 4 Flute (parts of the old Mixture stoppered, the mouths being cut up. =3D The 2nd rk of the Mixture discarded)   PEDAL 16 Bourdon (1-12 new, rest from Stopt.Diapason)   Recently, the organ was sold for peanuts to a local church who have =3D added it as a 2nd deck to their one-manual organ. Its scheme now reads - 8 Stopped Diapason (untouched) 4 Principal (put back to 4ft) 4 Flute (as before) 2 Flautina (the 8ft stopt metal transposed up, with "spares" being used = =3D for the top 2 octaves)   The 4ft Principal is harsh and doesn't blend at all. It would be best =3D exchnaged for a reed. Otherwise the organ is very useful as a new =3D 2ndmanual for ST MARGARET'S PRESBYTERIAN, SILVERSTREAM, UPPER HUTT, NEW = =3D ZEALAND. The church is small, seating perhaps 120, getting a usual =3D congregation of around 60. The organ is at the back, the chests about =3D 10ft off the floor. Their exisitng organ was built by Bryceson of =3D England in the 1870s and the parish here got it for a song back c1962, =3D where it was electrified, having been pneumatic'd by someone else about = =3D 50 years before, from the tracker. This organ's specification, untouched pipework at my absolute =3D insistence, has this scheme. No pipe is mitred. 8 Open Diapason (1-12 in the showcase) 8 Horn Diapason (all on the chest, 1-12 being of open wood) 8 Harmonic Diapason (TenC) (quite flutey) 8 Gamba (all on the chest, tapered plain metal to CC) 8 Clarabella (all on the chest, 1-12 stopt wood, rest open wood) 4 Principal 2 2/3 Twelfth 2 Fifteenth   PEDAL 16 Bourdon (big and woolly)   Well, the church still has only one 16ft on the Pedal, there not being =3D room to install the 2nd 16ft they acquired. So, this probably the only =3D organ around that has an enclosed Great and unenclosed Swell. Actually =3D they're calling the manuals Great and Choir. The Bryceson is =3D extraordinary! For a one manual, it had lots of open stuff, an amazing =3D scheme, and a vast soundboard to sit it all on. Not my favourite tone, =3D but bulky, not very subtle, generally not woolly, with the 12th and 15th = =3D adding lots of top, especially with the octave coupler. The tapered =3D Gamba is a delight. Look at the scheme of the two organs put together - = =3D extraordinary, like nothing else I know. But the only reason there is an organ at all is because the Minister, a = =3D keen musician, and I were good mates back in the very early 1960s and we = =3D wanted an organ, somehow. The organist then is still there, over 40yrs =3D later, and he's the one who got the "new" 2nd manual organised. The =3D organ has a new 2-manual electric console, of course, very plain indeed = =3D and using the old keyboards and pedalboard.=3D20 And what did I gain from all this recent stuff? A lot of fun, plus the =3D 8ft open metal 1-12 spare, and the 1-24 spare of the 8ft stopped = metal.=3D20 None of this longterm project is ideal, but the organ in the 1960s cost =3D them about NZ$250 and the latest additions, after 40 years of inflation, = =3D cost them about NZ$650. Not bad? An organ of 13 ranks for under $1,000? Best wishes, Ross Wards (in New Zealand) (retired Anglican vicar)   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C188DB.A0AD1E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Following on from The Gue Port's sensible words =3D about leaving=3D20 pipework alone, the worst I've seen is this.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>ST ANNE'S ANGLICAN CHURCH, NORTHLAND, WELLINGTON, = =3D NEW=3D20 ZEALAND</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>The wee organ was originally a Frost from England, = =3D built in=3D20 1829. It had a barrel mechanism, but could be played as well by=3D20 hand.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>The original specification was -</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>8 Dulciana&nbsp; (to CC in plain metal)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>8 Stopped Diapason (wood)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>4 Principal</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>.&nbsp;Mixture II&nbsp; (12.15)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>The organ was rebuilt in 1955 and all pipes were =3D placed on=3D20 direct-electric mechanism, the barrel action, old key action and chest =3D all being=3D20 dumped. A new CCC-BBB octave was added to extend the Stopped Diapason =3D down to=3D20 16ft for a Pedal stop. Here is what happened -</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>8&nbsp; Open Diapason (the old Principal transposed = =3D down, with=3D20 the bottom octave of the old Dulciana opened up to make a Diapason = bass=3D20 1-12)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>8&nbsp; Stopped Diapason (original, pipes=3D20 untouched)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>8&nbsp; Hohl Flute (but actually the Dulciana =3D stoppered, the=3D20 mouths raised and arched)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>4&nbsp; Flute (parts of the old Mixture stoppered, = =3D the mouths=3D20 being cut up. The 2nd rk of the Mixture discarded)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>PEDAL</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>16 Bourdon (1-12 new, rest from =3D Stopt.Diapason)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Recently, the organ was sold for peanuts to a local = =3D church who=3D20 have added it as a 2nd deck to their one-manual organ. Its scheme now =3D reads=3D20 -</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>8&nbsp; Stopped Diapason (untouched)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>4&nbsp; Principal (put back to 4ft)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>4&nbsp; Flute (as before)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>2&nbsp; Flautina (the 8ft stopt metal transposed up, = =3D with=3D20 "spares" being used for the top 2 octaves)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>The 4ft Principal is harsh and doesn't blend at all. = =3D It would=3D20 be best exchnaged for a reed. Otherwise the organ is very useful as a =3D new=3D20 2ndmanual for ST MARGARET'S PRESBYTERIAN, SILVERSTREAM, UPPER HUTT, NEW = =3D ZEALAND.=3D20 The church is small, seating perhaps 120, getting a usual congregation =3D of around=3D20 60. The organ is at the back, the chests about 10ft off the floor. Their = =3D   exisitng organ was built by Bryceson of England in the 1870s and the =3D parish here=3D20 got it for a song back c1962, where it was electrified, having been =3D pneumatic'd=3D20 by someone else about 50 years before, from the tracker.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>This organ's specification, untouched pipework at my = =3D absolute=3D20 insistence, has this scheme. No pipe is mitred.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>8&nbsp; Open Diapason (1-12 in the =3D showcase)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>8&nbsp; Horn Diapason (all on the chest, 1-12 being = =3D of open=3D20 wood)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>8&nbsp; Harmonic Diapason (TenC) (quite =3D flutey)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>8&nbsp; Gamba (all on the chest, tapered plain metal = =3D to=3D20 CC)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>8&nbsp; Clarabella (all on the chest, 1-12 stopt =3D wood, rest=3D20 open wood)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>4&nbsp; Principal</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>2 2/3 Twelfth</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>2&nbsp; Fifteenth</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>PEDAL</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>16&nbsp; Bourdon (big and woolly)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Well, the church still has only one 16ft on the =3D Pedal, there=3D20 not being room to install the 2nd 16ft they acquired. So, this probably = =3D the only=3D20 organ around that has an enclosed Great and unenclosed Swell. Actually =3D they're=3D20 calling the manuals Great and Choir. The Bryceson is extraordinary! For = =3D a one=3D20 manual, it had lots of open stuff, an amazing scheme, and a vast =3D soundboard to=3D20 sit it all on. Not my favourite tone, but bulky, not very subtle, =3D generally not=3D20 woolly, with the 12th and 15th adding lots of top, especially with the =3D octave=3D20 coupler. The tapered Gamba is a delight. Look at the scheme of the two =3D organs=3D20 put together - extraordinary, like nothing else I know.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>But the only reason there is an organ at all is =3D because the=3D20 Minister, a keen musician, and I were good mates back in the very early = =3D 1960s=3D20 and we wanted an organ, somehow. The organist then is still there, over = =3D 40yrs=3D20 later, and he's the one who got the "new" 2nd manual organised. The =3D organ has a=3D20 new 2-manual electric console, of course, very plain indeed and using =3D the old=3D20 keyboards and pedalboard. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>And what did I gain from all this recent stuff? A = =3D lot of fun,=3D20 plus the 8ft open metal 1-12 spare, and the 1-24 spare of the 8ft =3D stopped metal.=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>None of this longterm project is ideal, but the =3D organ in the=3D20 1960s cost them about NZ$250 and the latest additions, after 40 years of = =3D   inflation, cost them about NZ$650. Not bad? An organ of 13 ranks for =3D under=3D20 $1,000?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Ross Wards (in New Zealand) (retired Anglican=3D20 vicar)</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C188DB.A0AD1E80--      
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] tuning frequencies From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:19:17 -0600       does anyone have "standard" frequency list for pipe organ tuning? I would = like at least the middle c octave frequencies...   thanks Steve Pitts  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] tuning frequencies From: "Peter Schmuckal" <peter@schmuckal.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:41:45 -0800   Steve,   Presuming A=3D440Hz and equal temperment:   A4 440.000 A#4 466.136 B4 493.856 C5 523.248 C#5 554.400 D5 587.312 D#5 622.248 E5 659.296 F5 698.456 F#5 740.080 G5 784.080 G#5 830.632 A5 880.000   - Peter Schmuckal   ----- Original Message ----- From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> To: "'Residence Organ List'" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] tuning frequencies     > > > does anyone have "standard" frequency list for pipe organ tuning? I = would like at least the middle c octave frequencies... > > thanks > Steve Pitts > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: E-mail address for Joe Zivnak From: "john volbeda" <johnvolbeda@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:57:54 -0800   Hello All,   I am looking for the E-mail address of Joe Zivnak located in Southern California.   His "Member Bios" is listed on the DIYAPASON WEB site, but is not correct.   Thanks in advance,   john Volbeda Corona, CA     _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] tuning frequencies From: "4everaptor" <JABowers@execpc.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:57:02 -0600   STEVE PITTS wrote: > > does anyone have "standard" frequency list for pipe organ tuning? > I would like at least the middle c octave frequencies... > thanks > Steve Pitts     Sure Steve, here are a few based on A=3D440 and linear progression. Or perhaps that should be Equal Temperament. I'll let you figure out which octave goes where.   John Bowers   Key Freq A 28160.00 G# 26579.50 G 25087.71 F# 23679.64 F 22350.61 E 21096.16 D# 19912.13 D 18794.54 C# 17739.69 C 16744.04 B 15804.27 A# 14917.24 A 14080.00 G# 13289.75 G 12543.85 F# 11839.82 F 11175.30 E 10548.08 D# 9956.06 D 9397.27 C# 8869.84 C 8372.02 B 7902.13 A# 7458.62 A 7040.00 G# 6644.88 G 6271.93 F# 5919.91 F 5587.65 E 5274.04 D# 4978.03 D 4698.64 C# 4434.92 C 4186.01 B 3951.07 A# 3729.31 A 3520.00 G# 3322.44 G 3135.96 F# 2959.96 F 2793.83 E 2637.02 D# 2489.02 D 2349.32 C# 2217.46 C 2093.00 B 1975.53 A# 1864.66 A 1760.00 G# 1661.22 G 1567.98 F# 1479.98 F 1396.91 E 1318.51 D# 1244.51 D 1174.66 C# 1108.73 C 1046.50 B 987.77 A# 932.33 A 880.00 G# 830.61 G 783.99 F# 739.99 F 698.46 E 659.26 D# 622.25 D 587.33 C# 554.37 C 523.25 B 493.88 A# 466.16 A 440.00 G# 415.30 G 392.00 F# 369.99 F 349.23 E 329.63 D# 311.13 D 293.66 C# 277.18 C 261.63 B 246.94 A# 233.08 A 220.00 G# 207.65 G 196.00 F# 185.00 F 174.61 E 164.81 D# 155.56 D 146.83 C# 138.59 C 130.81 B 123.47 A# 116.54 A 110.00 G# 103.83 G 98.00 F# 92.50 F 87.31 E 82.41 D# 77.78 D 73.42 C# 69.30 C 65.41 B 61.74 A# 58.27 A 55.00 G# 51.91 G 49.00 F# 46.25 F 43.65 E 41.20 D# 38.89 D 36.71 C# 34.65 C 32.70 B 30.87 A# 29.14 A 27.50 G# 25.96 G 24.50 F# 23.12 F 21.83 E 20.60 D# 19.45 D 18.35 C# 17.32 C 16.35