DIYAPASON-L Digest #221 - Tuesday, January 2, 2001
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Blower Insulation
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Blower Insulation
  by "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  New Blower
  by "Alwyn V. H. Farey-Jones" <avhfj@direcpc.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Blower Insulation From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:24:18 -0500   At 4:25 AM -0500 1/1/01, TheGluePot@aol.com wrote: >As a professional organ builder and installer I would HIGHLY recommend = that a >number of steps be taken to keep from burning down your house. The = blower >should have both types of overload protection. It should not be put into = a >box with flammable sound deadening materials. Fibreglass insulation that = is >completely fireproof is the best way to go and the box should have a = cooling >fan with noise baffles of its' own. I even go so far as to put a thermal >cutout in the muffler box. The reason for the above steps is a fact = missed >by most amatuer builders, pipe organs do not use a lot of air so the = blower >cannot be a self-cooled device. >   I totally agree with Al on the above. When I had this blower I had it inside a box with 1" fiberglass insulation I had purchased from Radio Shack sold for lining speaker cabinets. I put a small fan under the motor, which Bart has, and had a small intake area below and vent above the fan to keep the motor from running too hot. Without this fan the motor definitely got too hot inside the box. As it is, these older Meidinger blowers tend to run on the hot side anyway.   I also have heard others say that as the organ is played, air will be drawn in through the box to keep the motor cool. I also have questioned this as especially in a residence organ there is not all that much air being used.   When I sold the blower to Bart, I included a high quality Cutler Hammer motor starter with the blower. I didn't check, but the starter/ blower should possibly also be fused with fuses smaller than than the 15 or 20 amp., 120V house circuit that the blower is plugged into. I'll check and let you know Bart.     >p.s. A hot blower also delivers hot air to the pipes and tuning goes to >hades!   That is one advantage of having a blower in the basement. My Spencer is two floors below the pipes, and as the basement is heated to about 72 deg. the intake air temp. is nearly the same as the pipe temp. I have to wonder how so many church organs seem to work ok, fed by a blower located and drawing it's air from an unheated basement.   If a blower needs to be located in an "enclosed" pipe chamber, then it would probably be best to circulate air to cool the blower fan, from outside the room and then back out. If the blower and pipes are located in a room that is open to other parts of the house, then I can't see that blower heat should be a problem, as the the small amount of heat would mix with the rest of the house air, that is climate controlled anyway.   Thanks again David for this Great list, and to all the people that share and make it what it is.   Happy New year to All!   Eric Sagmuller    
(back) Subject: Blower Insulation From: "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:41:19 -0600   Dear Fellow List Members:   Thanks for all your responses to my query. It sounds like fibreglass insulation is the way to go. I guess I can get this at Radio Shack or at Home Depot. I checked out the foam fibreglass sites that were pointed out =   by a couple of other list members. (I don't remember their names.) It looks like there are flameproof versions of this and that they will keep = at temperatures up to 300o F. I think I would still prefer to go with fibreglass.   Thanks again,   Bart Kleineweber Chicago, IL http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/webpages/kleineweber/ prinzipal8@hotmail.com   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] New Blower From: "Alwyn V. H. Farey-Jones" <avhfj@direcpc.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:47:33 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_006D_01C074C2.8ED253C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   If you get a copy of Mix or EQ magazines (both targeted to recording =3D industry types), you'll see a lot of advertisements for acoustical foam = =3D of one sort and another in the classified pages. =3D20   I also have a book called Architectural Acoustics bu M. David Egan, =3D published by McGraw-Hill, which has some ideas on quieting mechanical =3D equipment.   Alwyn Jones, who's still looking for a 3 by 20 or so.     ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Bart Kleineweber=3D20 To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 10:14 AM Subject: [Residence Organs] New Blower     Dear List:   Does anyone know where I can buy this "peaked foam" that was spoken of = =3D on this thread?   Sincerely,         Bart Kleineweber=3D20 Chicago, IL=3D20 http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/webpages/kleineweber/=3D20 prinzipal8@hotmail.com=3D20     -------------------------------------------------------------------------= =3D ----- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own =3D Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org =3D List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: =3D mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_006D_01C074C2.8ED253C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>If you get a copy of Mix or EQ =3D magazines (both=3D20 targeted to recording industry types), you'll see a lot of =3D advertisements for=3D20 acoustical foam of one sort and another in the classified = pages.&nbsp;=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also have a book called = Architectural =3D Acoustics=3D20 bu M. David Egan, published by McGraw-Hill, which has some ideas on =3D quieting=3D20 mechanical equipment.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Alwyn Jones, who's still looking for = a =3D 3 by 20 or=3D20 so.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dprinzipal8@hotmail.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:prinzipal8@hotmail.com">Bart=3D20 Kleineweber</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3DDIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</A> = =3D </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 31, 2000 = =3D 10:14=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Residence Organs] New = =3D   Blower</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>Dear List:</P> <P>Does anyone know where I can buy this "peaked foam" that was spoken = =3D of on=3D20 this thread?</P> <P>Sincerely,</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P></P>Bart Kleineweber <BR>Chicago, IL <BR><A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/webpages/kleineweber/">http://w= =3D ww.diyapason.pipechat.org/webpages/kleineweber/</A>=3D20 <BR><A =3D href=3D3D"mailto:prinzipal8@hotmail.com">prinzipal8@hotmail.com</A> =3D <BR><BR=3D20 clear=3D3Dall> <HR> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</A><BR> <P></P>DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their =3D own=3D20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org =3D List:=3D20 mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration:=3D20 mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_006D_01C074C2.8ED253C0--