DIYAPASON-L Digest #227 - Monday, January 8, 2001
 
First Post
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Electronic Reverb for Pipe Organ
  by "John P. Smith" <jnksd82@home.com>
Re: Electronic Reverb for Pipe Organ
  by "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Moller being given away
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Electronic Reverb for Pipe Organ
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  electronic reverb for a pipe organ?
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Electronic Reverb for Pipe Organ
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Rolling pipe ranks!
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Rolling pipe ranks!
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  electronic reverb for a pipe organ?
  by "Alwyn V. H. Farey-Jones" <avhfj@direcpc.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Rolling pipe ranks!
  by "Alwyn V. H. Farey-Jones" <avhfj@direcpc.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Engineering Question
  by "Bernard C. Nordmann" <bcnordmann@cdmnet.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Rolling pipe ranks!
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: Refinishing black keys
  by <JFick@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Rolling pipe ranks!
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Refinishing black keys
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Wheels on Windchests
  by <Devon3000@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Wheels on Windchests
  by "Jon" <sparky@chesco.com>
Fw: [Residence Organs]  Wheels on Windchests
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
 

(back) Subject: First Post From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 02:59:23 -0500   Mike Gettelman wrote:   Hello everyone, I have spent my weekend seriously surfing for a List as specific as Diyapason. My profile is amateur home pipe organ builder. My status is "just getting started" I also purchased my first 6 pipes this weekend. They are different types, 3 reeds and 3 flues, and I intend to play with them to learn their secrets so that I can work up to an operating instrument that is midi driven. I cannot really play you see, but I dream of owning a pipe   organ that can play the music I want to hear on demand. I have thought a lot about the craftsmanship and satisfaction that would be had hand building all the pipes and components, but since I visited The Church Organ Trader site, and found so much used equipment at very reasonable price, my thinking has turned to an assemblage of old   parts, properly reconditioned, and organized with my own tonal preferences. The instrument does not have to be large, in fact my thinking of size is more along the lines of an upright piano. Since all controls will be digital, it could be played through an interface with an electric midi keyboard. The main space requirement would be the pipes, wind chests, and blower plumbing. No console is needed. So, that's my program. My mind is wide open for education and I promise to share the adventure with you as I progress. It should make for some fun reading, and I promise to give everybody credit on the opus   list who helps.   Pipe Organs Forever Mike        
(back) Subject: Electronic Reverb for Pipe Organ From: "John P. Smith" <jnksd82@home.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:37:00 -0600   This subject interests me too, because in most residence situations, mine included, there just isn't much natural reverberation; and though I know = you "get used" to the deadness of the sound of a pipe organ at home (or even a dead church), reverb would really be nice.   Doug wrote that his Alesis Nanoverb produced a "less authentic" effect = than a Schober Reverbatape. This surprised me -- I would have thought a modern digital reverb unit, even a low-end one, would be much more realistic than an old tape unit.   From what I have read on this topic, the realism of artificial reverb depends largely on emulating the multi-source nature of natural reverberations. That is, in a real reverberant space the sound of the instrument is reflected off all the surfaces of the space and are received by the ear from many locations in the room with time delays and loudness differences that fool the ear into a sense of hearing a larger space. There exist some very sophisticated artificial reverb systems for concert halls and churches that use multiple source mikes and speakers located all over the room to attempt to reproduce this effect. It seems that just = using one or two mikes and one or two reverb speakers probably won't fool the ear-- the reverb will be too localized. Nevertheless, I would be interested in knowing what others have done and how succesful it was.     John P. Smith Champaign IL    
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic Reverb for Pipe Organ From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:17:25 -0500   In the November/December 1992 issue of "Theatre Organ" magazine there is = an article by Allen Miller about the residence organ that he constructed for Karl Saunders of Zanesville, Ohio. This is a 3/31 theater organ based = upon a 3/15 Style 260 (opus 1173) with additions including some E.M.Skinner Diapasons and Mixture.   In the article there is a description of the added reverberation system: "The organ sound is picked up by microphones in the tone chute and digitally delayed to provide a tailored additional reversration in order = to compenstate for the absorption of sound when the room is full of people. The revereration effect emanates from speakers hidden in cornices which also incorporate mood lighting."   The pipework is located in a basement chamber and speaks up into the Great Room via a room-wide tone chute; that room measures 24' by 36' and opens into other spaces that provide an "acoustically open length" of 67'.   I have no other details about this system but I'd guess that Allen Miller could provide additional information: Allen Miller <ztronics@tiac.net>.   Larry Chace      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Moller being given away From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:36:30 -0500   Hmm... This would sure be a nice addition to the pipework I have now. And then I could probably sell some of what I wouldn't need. But it's nearly a five hour drive and then to remove all the heavy stuff and to rent a truck to haul it, is the major obstacle for me. Also it's near Wash DC and as a country boy I really dislike city driving. I may still check into it though. If I could get just the pipes and things I could use that would be nice. I'll bet they want all those heavy chests etc. out too though. You'd think near the big city and other surrounding cities that another church would snap it up quick.   Dreaming Eric         At 8:31 AM -0600 1/7/01, John P. Smith wrote: >Hi Folks-- >On the Church Organ Trader message board (www.keyboardtrader.com) there's = a >posting that a Lutheran Church in Maryland is GIVING AWAY a 1960 2/27 = Moller >to whoever will remove it by the end of April...    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Electronic Reverb for Pipe Organ From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:05:13 -0600   "John P. Smith" wrote: > > This subject interests me too, because in most residence situations, = mine > included, there just isn't much natural reverberation;......   Yes, I have spoken with a fellow in New York who does this kind of work. Mostly he works on large public auditoriums. I read some of the material he sent me, and he offered to consult with me if I have a prospect for this kind of thing. His list of new and refurbished halls was rather impressive. The equipment is not cheap nor are his services. A home organ room like yours, for instance, might cost around $100,000. Once installed and properly tuned, you would experience the reverberant effects as you enter the room, much like walking into a stone church. The product that I am talking about from the fellow in New York used a lot of sophisticated hardware and software that he calles the LARES (pronounced LAHR-ress) System. Beyond that, I know of no one who is actually working to affect the natural acoustics of rooms. F. Richard Burt effarbee@home.com  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] electronic reverb for a pipe organ? From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:18:10 -0500   At 1:14 PM -0500 1/7/01, Ed_Stauff@avid.com wrote: >Has anyone tried adding electronic reverb to a pipe organ in a room >that's too small or too dead to provide natural reverb? If so, how >successful was it? >   I had an Alesis Microverb IV connected to my Allen organ I had, and I feel it really improved the pleasure of playing the organ. Without it the organ really sounded "electronic".   I did a little experimenting with my pipe organ using a wireless lapel mike in front of the pipes connected to the Alesis, and then through an amp to speakers located high in the room facing towards the vaulted ceiling. The result was promising. I did have troubles with feedback depending on the location of the speakers. The lapel mike was a omni directional mike so I think using a cardoid or uni directional mike will help this. With the lapel mike it would pick up our loudly chirping pet bird and make it reverberate giving the feeling that the room was really "live". Of course it's not the real thing but I think it's promising. "When" I get more time I plan to try this setup again with a different mike and do some more fine tuning. To me the reverb on the Alesis IV sounds quite good but not perfect. This reverb cost about $250 new.   I'll post my progress when I get to that point. Right now though one of my top priorities is to get the Great room finished. I will be adding a second 1/2 layer of wallboard which I plan to have plastered. Then the ceiling will get 1" (3/4") knotty pine over the 1/2 drywall. The floor 3/4 oak plank on the 3/4 subfloor. I'm hoping this will give me "some" natural reverb although there will be a leather couch and love seat, recliner and hopefully just a throw rug. Hopefully these won't dampen the room too much although the room is quite large with a high ceiling.   Eric    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Electronic Reverb for Pipe Organ From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:23:30 -0500   At 9:05 AM -0600 1/8/01, F. Richard Burt wrote: > >The product that I am talking about from the fellow in New York used >a lot of sophisticated hardware and software that he calles the LARES >(pronounced LAHR-ress) System. Beyond that, I know of no one who is >actually working to affect the natural acoustics of rooms. >   Yes. I also checked into this system a couple years ago but when quoted a starting price of $40K I quickly hung up the phone and forgot about it. I could build a nice large room for less than that. Here in PA though, heating is always the big obstacle for a large room.   Eric    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Rolling pipe ranks! From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:45:14 EST     --part1_43.eff0e16.278b3a8a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi, there is a fellow in Vista with a huge, 100 plus ranks, in a big building. Each rank is on there own chest that is hinged on one end. This = way he can get to them easaly.I think though he has to many pipes for the room =   that they are in.I read some where that you can put to much in a space and =   the sound and speaking of the pipes can suffer? My swell room is a little tight, the mix and the vox are on the out side. = The vox has it's own enclosure though. The mix II will go on the shelf, or = maybe under the swell chest, it will not be under expression, there is not = enough room.   Have fun Dennis   --part1_43.eff0e16.278b3a8a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi, there is a fellow = in Vista with a huge, 100 plus ranks, in a big <BR>building. Each rank is = on there own chest that is hinged on one end. This way <BR>he can get to = them easaly.I think though he has to many pipes for the room <BR>that they = are in.I read some where that you can put to much in a space and <BR>the = sound and speaking of the pipes can suffer? <BR>My swell room is a little tight, the mix and the vox are on the out = side. The <BR>vox has it's own enclosure though. The mix II will go on the = shelf, or maybe <BR>under the swell chest, it will not be under = expression, there is not enough <BR>room. <BR> <BR>Have fun <BR>Dennis </FONT></HTML>   --part1_43.eff0e16.278b3a8a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Rolling pipe ranks! From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:49:38 -0600   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   did you say 100 ranks in a home how big is the console /WOW I wonder how = much unification is done on that organ   >>> Pipewheezr@aol.com 01/08/01 09:45AM >>> Hi, there is a fellow in Vista with a huge, 100 plus ranks, in a big=20 building. Each rank is on there own chest that is hinged on one end. This = way=20 he can get to them easaly.I think though he has to many pipes for the = room=20 that they are in.I read some where that you can put to much in a space = and=20 the sound and speaking of the pipes can suffer? My swell room is a little tight, the mix and the vox are on the out side. = The=20 vox has it's own enclosure though. The mix II will go on the shelf, or = maybe=20 under the swell chest, it will not be under expression, there is not = enough=20 room.   Have fun Dennis=20    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] electronic reverb for a pipe organ? From: "Alwyn V. H. Farey-Jones" <avhfj@direcpc.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:19:31 -0500   I was just thinking of posting that exact same question!   Alwyn Jones Long Island, NY   ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ed_Stauff@avid.com> To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:14 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] electronic reverb for a pipe organ?     > > > Has anyone tried adding electronic reverb to a pipe organ in a room > that's too small or too dead to provide natural reverb? If so, how > successful was it? > > Thanks, > > -- Ed > > = #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D# > | Ed Stauff, principal software eng. | I don't speak | "Specialization = | > | Avid Technology, Tewksbury MA, USA | for Avid, nor | is for insects." = | > | "ed_stauff#@#avid.com" (remove #'s) | vice versa. | -- Lazarus Long = | > = #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D# > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Rolling pipe ranks! From: "Alwyn V. H. Farey-Jones" <avhfj@direcpc.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:04:21 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005E_01C0796B.22CBD860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   "... hinged at one end" - I don't quite follow. You mean the whole =3D chest tips up, so the pipes would go from the vertical to the =3D horizantal?   Alwyn Jones Long Island, NY ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Pipewheezr@aol.com=3D20 To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Rolling pipe ranks!     Hi, there is a fellow in Vista with a huge, 100 plus ranks, in a = big=3D20 building. Each rank is on there own chest that is hinged on one end. =3D This way=3D20 he can get to them easaly.I think though he has to many pipes for the = =3D room=3D20 that they are in.I read some where that you can put to much in a space = =3D and=3D20 the sound and speaking of the pipes can suffer?=3D20 My swell room is a little tight, the mix and the vox are on the out =3D side. The=3D20 vox has it's own enclosure though. The mix II will go on the shelf, or = =3D maybe=3D20 under the swell chest, it will not be under expression, there is not =3D enough=3D20 room.=3D20   Have fun=3D20 Dennis=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005E_01C0796B.22CBD860 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>"... hinged at one end"&nbsp; - I = don't =3D quite=3D20 follow.&nbsp; You mean the whole chest tips up, so the pipes would go =3D from the=3D20 vertical to the horizantal?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Alwyn Jones</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Long Island, NY</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DPipewheezr@aol.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Pipewheezr@aol.com">Pipewheezr@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3DDIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</A> = =3D </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 08, 2001 = =3D 10:45=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Residence Organs] = =3D Rolling=3D20 pipe ranks!</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>Hi, there = =3D is a fellow=3D20 in Vista with a huge, 100 plus ranks, in a big <BR>building. Each rank = =3D is on=3D20 there own chest that is hinged on one end. This way <BR>he can get to = =3D them=3D20 easaly.I think though he has to many pipes for the room <BR>that they = =3D are in.I=3D20 read some where that you can put to much in a space and <BR>the sound = =3D and=3D20 speaking of the pipes can suffer? <BR>My swell room is a little tight, = =3D the mix=3D20 and the vox are on the out side. The <BR>vox has it's own enclosure =3D though.=3D20 The mix II will go on the shelf, or maybe <BR>under the swell chest, =3D it will=3D20 not be under expression, there is not enough <BR>room. <BR><BR>Have =3D fun=3D20 <BR>Dennis </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005E_01C0796B.22CBD860--    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Engineering Question From: "Bernard C. Nordmann" <bcnordmann@cdmnet.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:37:40 -0600   >At 09:14 PM 1/5/01 -0500, johnrball@erols.com wrote: >The applicable organization is: > >1. PC at organ console with interface cards including balanced = drivers. >2. Transmission line of 50' or more to the chamber. >3. Receiver cards for each rank. >The questions are: >1. At which end should the opto-isolators be located; PC or chamber?   That depends on which you consider more worth protecting, the computer (or whatever you have at the console -- I just read this messaage) or the electronics in the chamber. I have a Devtronix relay system. They have the opto-isolators at the computer.   >4. Can I derive chip power (+5) from the organ supply via zener regulator >(or equivalent) or do I need a separate supply?   I'd say that as long as the result is properly filtered, that'd be fine.   >5. Should the line be grounded at the PC end and float at the chamber end?   That's what I'd do. In fact, now that I think of it that's what I *did* do.   >6. Should the 13v and 5v supplies share a common ground? Where should it be >located; at the supplies or at the ranks?   Yes. The general rule is to place the common grounding point at the most "sensitive" piece of equipment, in this case at the computer at the console. Again, that's what I did with the Devtronix. I can't take credit   for that decision; Devtronix recommended it in their manuals.   By the way, I'm a graduate Electrical Engineer.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bernie Nordmann, St. Louis, MO -- Owner of a 3/13 Wurlitzer/Barton/Kimball/Dennison/whatever -- Registered Piano Technician, Piano Technicians Guild -- Full time computer consultant - Nordmann Consulting, Inc. -- Amateur radio operator, call sign KV0W -- Husband, father ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Rolling pipe ranks! From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:12:54 EST     --part1_f9.65c86d9.278b5d26_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   No, you should see this place. It is only a 8' high, 40'X20',and about one-third is organ. The organ is to be about 125ish, but I think now it is =   50? with 30 or so playing. Some theater ranks in there too.Biggggggg = Moller console 75 draw knobs. I will try and get pictures. I have been there,alot =   off work to do, but the fellow is retired. Well, back to work. Gets in the way of everything! Have fun Dennis   --part1_f9.65c86d9.278b5d26_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>No, you should see this = place. It is only a 8' high, 40'X20',and about <BR>one-third is organ. The = organ is to be about 125ish, but I think now it is <BR>50? with 30 or so = playing. Some theater ranks in there too.Biggggggg Moller <BR>console 75 = draw knobs. I will try and get pictures. I have been there,alot <BR>off = work to do, but the fellow is retired. <BR>Well, back to work. <BR>Gets in the way of everything! <BR>Have fun <BR>Dennis</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f9.65c86d9.278b5d26_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Refinishing black keys From: <JFick@aol.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:17:43 EST   Thanks for the various answers. Regarding the suggestions for using Key Black laquer from American Piano Supply, and that laquer "will wear very fast,", has anyone tried automotive black laquer on black manual and pedal =   keys?   While I realize that the use of something automotive doesn't sound very = nice for pipe organs, it's probably as durable as one would ever want. Perhaps =   I'm in uncharted territory here and need to experiment and post the = results, but I'm hoping that someone can already report on ten years of wear observation.   Thanks.   Jon Fick Westford, Vermont  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Rolling pipe ranks! From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:21:27 EST     --part1_be.e56e85a.278b5f27_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   No, the chest's roll towards you. May be they are not hinged. I could be wrong, he showed me this because he has a big window on the side of the = room and I couldn't see how he could get to each rank to tune it. And there are =   three rooms with shades and one without. He unlocked the big door, that = the shutters are in, and rolled out the chest's, they move just enough to = reach all the way to the back one. Two rows of chests in each room. I can't remember how many per row. And he did use organ flexaust to each. It is a big project. Dennis   --part1_be.e56e85a.278b5f27_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>No, the chest's roll = towards you. May be they are not hinged. I could be <BR>wrong, he showed = me this because he has a big window on the side of the room <BR>and I = couldn't see how he could get to each rank to tune it. And there are = <BR>three rooms with shades and one without. He unlocked the big door, = that the <BR>shutters are in, and rolled out the chest's, they move just = enough to reach <BR>all the way to the back one. Two rows of chests in = each room. I can't <BR>remember how many per row. And he did use organ = flexaust to each. <BR>It is a big project. <BR>Dennis</FONT></HTML>   --part1_be.e56e85a.278b5f27_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Refinishing black keys From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 13:35:07 -0500   >Thanks for the various answers. Regarding the suggestions for using Key >Black laquer from American Piano Supply, and that laquer "will wear very >fast,", has anyone tried automotive black laquer on black manual and = pedal >keys? > >While I realize that the use of something automotive doesn't sound very = nice >for pipe organs, it's probably as durable as one would ever want. = Perhaps >I'm in uncharted territory here and need to experiment and post the = results, >but I'm hoping that someone can already report on ten years of wear >observation.   Jon,   don't know about keys but our Wurlitzer console was repainted in an auto body shop with Sikkens automotive lacquer (off-white) the finish wears = like iron and scuffs and minor scratches come out with an automotive polish/rubbing compound.   John V      
(back) Subject: Wheels on Windchests From: <Devon3000@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:47:47 EST   Having had two ranks on one chest plus two 12-note offsets (16' Vox & 16' Subbass) all on wheels for 10 years, I can tell you to go ahead and put on =   the wheels. You're not moving them that much, and if the tuning sliders = are reasonably tight, there will be no problem, or need to tune again. You do =   want wheels that won't go flat from prolonged inactivity, but even those = that do a get a little flat, they even out after the first revolution usually. =   This two rank organ is connected to my roll player, which is also on = wheels. Everything in my unfinished basement that is heavy is on 4-wheel dollies. =   Makes it easier to vacuum up the dead creepy-crawlers.   Devon Hollingsworth, In Chicago Suburb  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Wheels on Windchests From: "Jon" <sparky@chesco.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:08:12 -0500   Then there are those of us who don't vacuum them up.   jon     >Having had two ranks on one chest plus two 12-note offsets (16' Vox & 16' >Subbass) all on wheels for 10 years, I can tell you to go ahead and put = on >the wheels. You're not moving them that much, and if the tuning sliders = are >reasonably tight, there will be no problem, or need to tune again. You = do >want wheels that won't go flat from prolonged inactivity, but even those = that >do a get a little flat, they even out after the first revolution usually. =   >This two rank organ is connected to my roll player, which is also on = wheels. >Everything in my unfinished basement that is heavy is on 4-wheel dollies. =   >Makes it easier to vacuum up the dead creepy-crawlers. > >Devon Hollingsworth, In Chicago Suburb > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Fw: [Residence Organs] Wheels on Windchests From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:12:22 -0500   Would do good in earthquakes, too !   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon <sparky@chesco.com> To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Wheels on Windchests     > Then there are those of us who don't vacuum them up. > > jon > > > >Having had two ranks on one chest plus two 12-note offsets (16' Vox & = 16' > >Subbass) all on wheels for 10 years, I can tell you to go ahead and put on > >the wheels. You're not moving them that much, and if the tuning = sliders are > >reasonably tight, there will be no problem, or need to tune again. You do > >want wheels that won't go flat from prolonged inactivity, but even = those that > >do a get a little flat, they even out after the first revolution = usually. > >This two rank organ is connected to my roll player, which is also on wheels. > >Everything in my unfinished basement that is heavy is on 4-wheel = dollies. > >Makes it easier to vacuum up the dead creepy-crawlers. > > > >Devon Hollingsworth, In Chicago Suburb > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > >Residence Pipe Organs. > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >