DIYAPASON-L Digest #229 - Wednesday, January 10, 2001
 
Inventory Clearance Sale
  by "Robert Coulter" <louisvilorgans@hotmail.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  VoxCatoe Newsletter On-LIne (cross  posted)
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: [Residence Organs]  VoxCatoe Newsletter On-LIne (cross  posted)
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Moving an organ.
  by <Devon3000@aol.com>
RE: windchest magnets
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
FW: windchest magnets
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
[Residence Organs]  RE: windchest magnets
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: Touch Sensitivity
  by <Ed_Stauff@avid.com>
[Residence Organs]  Re: Touch Sensitivity
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Touch Sensitivity
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Velocity/Touch Sensitivity
  by <TheGluePot@aol.com>
RE: windchest magnets
  by "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu>
Looking for console shell
  by "Donald Peterson" <dpetetx@airmail.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Touch Sensitivity
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Touch Sensitivity
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Fw: [Residence Organs]  RE: windchest magnets
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Looking for console shell
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Fw: [Residence Organs]  RE: windchest magnets
  by "Hugh Knapton" <knapton@superaje.com>
Re: Fw: [Residence Organs]  RE: windchest magnets
  by <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Inventory Clearance Sale From: "Robert Coulter" <louisvilorgans@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:38:56 -0500       Lots of stuff, see it all here.   http://www.geocities.com/louisvilorgans/WPO/index.html   Robert Coulter Pipe Organs of Greater Louisville http://www.geocities.com/louisvilorgans   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] VoxCatoe Newsletter On-LIne (cross posted) From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:49:12 -0600   Hi Rick,   Mundelein organ is still alive and well.....I believe it is on the = playlist for the Rialto Fest. If you are ever up this way maybe you can get a = chance for a repeat performance. Organ is much different as much of the pipework =   disappeared after Seng left and had to be replaced. Thanks to the donation =   of the WGN organ it is now very WurliTzer and only slightly Howell.     regards,   Jon   At 08:03 AM 1/7/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Jon- > > I've put CATOE's homepage on my 'favourites' list for future = reference. >Years ago I played the Mundelein organ when John Seng reigned supreme = there: >What a thrill for an aspiring organist! -tho it *still* didn't out-do the >Stadium beast -my first love. > >Ahhhhh, Chicago memories! > >Rick >central Indiana > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] VoxCatoe Newsletter On-LIne (cross posted) From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:57:47 -0600   So not to start un-needed controversy...my last post was not intended to goto the entire list....however since it did let me clarify something: my comment about pipes disappearing after Seng's tenure was not intended to point any fingers but merely as a point of time reference. As anyone = knows who have been around pipe organs, there have been occasions where phantom visits by unknown members of the midnight organ service have caused choice =   ranks to disappear from organs that are not being closely scrutunized.....the "WHO" involved with the aforementioned pipes is as = big a mystery as the lost Chicago Theatre Posthorn.   Jon    
(back) Subject: Moving an organ. From: <Devon3000@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:14:00 EST   You don't need to let the moving aspect (cost and labor) keep you from realizing your dream of a home organ if you make friends with the local theatre organ club(s). They have a wealth of laborers who work cheap, = from costing nothing to maybe lunch or a part or parts from the instrument you = are moving. They also have a lot of experience, usually, and can offer much advice on how to move things properly. They are sensitive to the = fragility of most parts, and just love to help, often wishing they were moving their =   own instrument. You give them "vicarious" thrills.   A recent move was prompted by one of my choir members, whose father had to = be permanently moved to a nursing home. He had a 2 manual pipe organ in the basement that was mostly installed, but had never completely played from = the console. I agreed to clean out the basement so she could sell the home. = I got a group of theatre organ enthusiasts, and I kept the one rank I wanted = (a free reed clarinet with chest), and they had pick of the rest. Most of = the organ left the premises, and they swept the basement clean! If the = Internet had been so readily available, nothing would have gone to the landfill = (the big wooden pipes no one wanted).   These guys (and often times gals) will often help you after the move, as = you will develop new friends for life. Don't be afraid to ask. Usually, they =   don't say "no," and they often are just waiting to be asked to help. Good =   luck to you all. The thrill of hearing your own instrument the first = times and most times after that can't be described.   Devon Hollingsworth, in Chicago Suburb  
(back) Subject: RE: windchest magnets From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:03:02 -0600       Whats a good source for direct-electric windchest magnets? I have some = made by Reisner(?) which operate on 12 volts.They just have a armature with a felt covered valve which opens and closes the hole for the pipe toe.I am looking for some more just like those.Where could I get those and how = approx much do they cost? Dont they come in different sizes?  
(back) Subject: FW: windchest magnets From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:05:09 -0600       > -----Original Message----- > From: STEVE PITTS > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:55 AM > To: 'Residence Organ List' > Subject: RE: windchest magnets > > > > Whats a good source for direct-electric windchest magnets? I have some > made by Reisner(?) which operate on 12 volts.They just have a armature > with a felt covered valve which opens and closes the hole for the pipe > toe.I am looking for some more just like those.Where could I get those = and > how approx much do they cost? Dont they come in different sizes?  
(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] RE: windchest magnets From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:21:05 -0500   OSI sells them at www.organsupply.com . They cost between $4 - 5 ea. and are available in the original style and new style that has a stronger frame. They are also available used if one watches the for sale ads. I paid about $1 each for a bunch of used ones recently.   Eric     At 10:03 AM -0600 1/9/01, STEVE PITTS wrote: >Whats a good source for direct-electric windchest magnets? I have some = made >by Reisner(?) which operate on 12 volts.They just have a armature with a >felt covered valve which opens and closes the hole for the pipe toe.I am >looking for some more just like those.Where could I get those and how = approx >much do they cost? Dont they come in different sizes?    
(back) Subject: Re: Touch Sensitivity From: <Ed_Stauff@avid.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:17:01 -0500       Al Sefl wrote: >Cheap and dirty sensing of key velocity may be done with just two = contacts, >the first which is the normal note contact, and the second which is the >contact sensing the time it took the key to travel down to make contact. >This type is used on several very low end electronic keyboards and are >generally considered by many musicians to be totally unacceptable.   Why totally unacceptable? As long as the contacts are located with care, this should do the job admirably (it does on my pedalboard). What other technologies are there, and how are they better?   Thanks,   -- Ed   #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D# | Ed Stauff, principal software eng. | I don't speak | "Specialization | | Avid Technology, Tewksbury MA, USA | for Avid, nor | is for insects." | | "ed_stauff#@#avid.com" (remove #'s) | vice versa. | -- Lazarus Long | #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#      
(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: Touch Sensitivity From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:21:07 -0600   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Ed is touch sensitivity similar to double touch , I have played several of = those organ that has that type of touch and to me it was defiantly = unacceptable=20   >>> Ed_Stauff@avid.com 01/10/01 12:17PM >>>     Al Sefl wrote: >Cheap and dirty sensing of key velocity may be done with just two = contacts, >the first which is the normal note contact, and the second which is the >contact sensing the time it took the key to travel down to make contact. >This type is used on several very low end electronic keyboards and are >generally considered by many musicians to be totally unacceptable.   Why totally unacceptable? As long as the contacts are located with care, this should do the job admirably (it does on my pedalboard). What other technologies are there, and how are they better?   Thanks,   -- Ed   #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D# | Ed Stauff, principal software eng. | I don't speak | "Specialization | | Avid Technology, Tewksbury MA, USA | for Avid, nor | is for insects." | | "ed_stauff#@#avid.com" (remove #'s) | vice versa. | -- Lazarus Long | #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Touch Sensitivity From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:42:35 -0500   Allen Organs uses a neat system: Let me see if I can recall...   At each key there is an opto-isolator - basically an LED shining into a sensor. The LED is pulsed at a fast rate. As the key moves down it slides = a vane between the the LED and the sensor. The sensor goes to a circuit that counts pulses; so to lessen the number of pulses between the attack and = the actual completion of the travel, the faster the key must travel! Thus a higher pulse count says the key is traveling slowly and a lower count translates as fast. I'm sure Allen has a patent on this somewhere..   John V        
(back) Subject: Re: Velocity/Touch Sensitivity From: <TheGluePot@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:33:19 EST   In a message dated 1/10/01 10:18:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, Ed_Stauff@avid.com writes:   << Al Sefl wrote: >Cheap and dirty sensing of key velocity may be done with just two = contacts, >the first which is the normal note contact, and the second which is the >contact sensing the time it took the key to travel down to make contact. >This type is used on several very low end electronic keyboards and are >generally considered by many musicians to be totally unacceptable. Why totally unacceptable? As long as the contacts are located with care, this should do the job admirably (it does on my pedalboard). What other technologies are there, and how are they better? Thanks, -- Ed >>   Unacceptable because regulation from note to note on the manuals can be a daunting task. If a note is depressed just enough to hit the first = contact but not enough for the second then the timing circuit cannot do its job. Musicians who do not have perfect technique of pushing the key down to the =   lower limit find this a problem. I have one famous friend who is internationally known with what I would term perfect technique who can = hear the difference between what he has hit versus what the key stroke is interpreted as; and, it drives him nuts!   Ed, on your pedalboard the action would be much less challenging than on a =   manual because the foot will never give you the fine motor control you are =   expecting from the fingers. IMHO....   The ultimate system is one of having an accelerometer sensor on each key = that will give a defined number from a circuit down the line. Very expensive........ The previously mentioned slotted vane works well = enough that it should be just fine for almost every musical need and for every musician as it will give a velocity number of reasonable accuracy without having to be calibrated like the contact method.   Regards,   Al Sefl    
(back) Subject: RE: windchest magnets From: "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:27:07 -0600   Good afternoon and Happy New year to Steve and all!   I thought I would add $.02 to what Eric had to say. Over several years, I found about 1,000 used Reisner valves from different sources over our different lists. Since getting Eleanor, my pipe organ playing, I have opened one chest to replace one of those "experienced" valves. After replacing the bad valve, that note still did not work. There was a broken wire. (Damn, I said, I though I had checked the easy things first.) It = was not the valve. All this is to say that they must be of good quality and I sure saved a lot of $$ by finding used "experienced" ones.   Eric is also correct in that now that OSI builds/sells the Reisner valves, they are on a heavier frame. My supply of used ones ran out and I had to purchase some new ones for the last chest I made.   Peterson also makes the same type of valves. The Reisner style has two holes for two screws to secure them. The Peterson has just one. The back of the Peterson frame has a sharp edge bent down so that when you tighten the one screw, it secures the valve so it will not move. I found some of these "experienced" valves and used them on several chests. (I did not mix different types of valves for the same rank.) I used a hex-head screw for this and it was very quick. It saved the pilot hole drilling of the = second screw.   Hope this might add some information for you. Yell if you have any questions or specifics. (After mounting and wiring some 1,200 of these dudes, I think I can do them in my sleep.)   Have a good day!   Craig Elders     -----Original Message----- From: Eric Sagmuller [mailto:ess4@psu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 11:21 AM To: Residence Organ List Subject: [Residence Organs] RE: windchest magnets     OSI sells them at www.organsupply.com . They cost between $4 - 5 ea. and are available in the original style and new style that has a stronger frame. They are also available used if one watches the for sale ads. I paid about $1 each for a bunch of used ones recently.   Eric     At 10:03 AM -0600 1/9/01, STEVE PITTS wrote: >Whats a good source for direct-electric windchest magnets? I have some = made >by Reisner(?) which operate on 12 volts.They just have a armature with a >felt covered valve which opens and closes the hole for the pipe toe.I am >looking for some more just like those.Where could I get those and how approx >much do they cost? Dont they come in different sizes?     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Looking for console shell From: "Donald Peterson" <dpetetx@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:04:43 -0600   Hi all,   I am currently looking for a two manual Wurlitzer console shell that was capable of controlling eight to ten ranks of pipes. Style is not an issue and I do not need keyboards, pedal board, bench or stop tabs. Just the shell capable of being refinished. If anyone knows where I might acquire such a beast, I would appreciate the information. This is for a theatre installation by a Non-Profit 501.c(3) ATOS chapter so a donated shell would be wonderful. Shipping is not a problem. Anybody - Anywhere?   Thanks, Don Peterson President NTC-ATOS    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Touch Sensitivity From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:15:36 -0800   At 12:21 01/10/2001 -0600, Jon Calvo wrote: >Ed >is touch sensitivity similar to double touch , I have played several of = those >organ that has that type of touch and to me it was defiantly unacceptable =     Second touch is NOT the same as touch sensitivity. It is a means of allowing the organist to provide a 'third hand' to play accent notes or melody and accompaniment with the same hand, leaving the other hand free = to play counter melody, or whatever else. This feature was/is used by = theatre organists extensively, often making them seem 'multi-handed', although it requires a bit of practice to use properly.   Bob, who used to play 'pizza organ'... ;-)    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Touch Sensitivity From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:15:36 -0800   At 12:21 01/10/2001 -0600, Jon Calvo wrote: >Ed >is touch sensitivity similar to double touch , I have played several of = those >organ that has that type of touch and to me it was defiantly unacceptable =     Second touch is NOT the same as touch sensitivity. It is a means of allowing the organist to provide a 'third hand' to play accent notes or melody and accompaniment with the same hand, leaving the other hand free = to play counter melody, or whatever else. This feature was/is used by = theatre organists extensively, often making them seem 'multi-handed', although it requires a bit of practice to use properly.   Bob, who used to play 'pizza organ'... ;-)    
(back) Subject: Fw: [Residence Organs] RE: windchest magnets From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:50:37 -0500   I have a few used one-piece pouch/magnet affairs. The pouches are about 2" diameter with a 3/4" diameter valve with an adjustable cap magnet in a pot metal housing. I have used these for such applications as train whistle, bird whistle and other traps. Very handy little things, but I've not seen them in any catalogues. No makers' name on them, just a patent number.   Rick       ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Sagmuller <ess4@psu.edu> To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] RE: windchest magnets     > OSI sells them at www.organsupply.com . They cost between $4 - 5 > ea. and are available in the original style and new style that has a > stronger frame. They are also available used if one watches the for > sale ads. I paid about $1 each for a bunch of used ones recently. > > Eric > > > At 10:03 AM -0600 1/9/01, STEVE PITTS wrote: > >Whats a good source for direct-electric windchest magnets? I have some made > >by Reisner(?) which operate on 12 volts.They just have a armature with = a > >felt covered valve which opens and closes the hole for the pipe toe.I = am > >looking for some more just like those.Where could I get those and how approx > >much do they cost? Dont they come in different sizes? > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Looking for console shell From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:57:12 -0500   Don- I have a friend in central Indiana here that has a 'sanctified' WurliTzer 2-manual str8 stop rail console -taking up space.   I sent him your post and will await his reply.   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: [Residence Organs] RE: windchest magnets From: "Hugh Knapton" <knapton@superaje.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:16:30 -0500   >I have a few used one-piece pouch/magnet affairs. The pouches are about = 2" >diameter with a 3/4" diameter valve with an adjustable cap magnet in a = pot >metal housing. I have used these for such applications as train whistle, >bird whistle and other traps. Very handy little things, but I've not seen >them in any catalogues. No makers' name on them, just a patent number. > >Rick   If they seem to be a die cast aluminium product, they are probably by Reisner (now part of O.S.I.)   Hugh  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: [Residence Organs] RE: windchest magnets From: <DEMPAR1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:55:49 EST   The device you are describing sounds like something carried by Organ = Supply. I have used them on a chest I built last year. The device screws to the underside of the toe board and it requires a small vent hole in the toe = board for each valve. They work quite well. For the person who wants to obtain direct electric valves, there are many types of direct electric devices available from OSI.