DIYAPASON-L Digest #230 - Thursday, January 11, 2001
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Looking for console shell
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
types of "touch sensitivity"
  by <Ed_Stauff@avid.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Looking for console shell
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Fw: [Residence Organs]  RE: windchest magnets
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Stuff for sale
  by "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com>
Re: Fw: [Residence Organs]  RE: windchest magnets
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: Fw: [Residence Organs]  RE: windchest magnets
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Looking for console shell
  by <Mohman@aol.com>
windchest magnets
  by "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com>
Re: Fw: [Residence Organs]  RE: windchest magnets
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Replies
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Voicing for the Windchest was windchest magnets
  by <TheGluePot@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Voicing for the Windchest was windchest  magnets
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Voicing for the Windchest was windchest magnets
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Looking for console shell From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:24:36 -0500   Hi Don-   I was just informed my friend gave the console away to a collector of vintage Hammonds. Sorry.   Rick      
(back) Subject: types of "touch sensitivity" From: <Ed_Stauff@avid.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:51:26 -0500       "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> asked: >is touch sensitivity similar to double touch   "Touch Sensitive" is a vague term that I shouldn't have used, and refers to a keyboard that is sensitive to how hard you play it. But "how hard" is vague, too.   A keyboard that is "Velocity Sensitive" responds to how quickly the keys are depressed. Acoustic pianos are velocity sensitive, as are electronic pianos and nearly all modern synthesizer keyboards. Once the note is struck and held down, further variations on how hard you press have no effect (but see "Aftertouch"). Organ keyboards almost never have this feature (a major drawback if the organ is equipped with MIDI).   A keyboard that has "Aftertouch" responds to variations in how hard you press a key once the key has been struck. You can use this to vary the sustained volume of the notes, or add vibrato, or whatever else your synthesizer supports. No all synth keyboards have this feature. The only acoustic instrument I know that has this feature is the clavichord, which allows you to apply a subtle vibrato by "wiggling" the keys after they are struck. I've never heard of it being used on an organ.   "Second Touch" is a feature of some theatre organs keyboards. When you depress a key with a moderate amount of pressure, it eventually stops, and the note plays. But if you apply more pressure, the key goes down a little further, bringing into play additional stops. This is achieved (I believe) by two springs on each key, one stronger and one weaker. It allows you to draw two registrations, one controlled by the "first touch", and another controlled by the "second touch". I've never heard of an electronic keyboard with this feature, but it's quite possible one of the high-end electronic theatre organs has it.   Hope this helps.   -- Ed   #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D# | Ed Stauff, principal software eng. | I don't speak | "Specialization | | Avid Technology, Tewksbury MA, USA | for Avid, nor | is for insects." | | "ed_stauff#@#avid.com" (remove #'s) | vice versa. | -- Lazarus Long | #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D#=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D#      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Looking for console shell From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:20:13 -0500   >Hi all, > > I am currently looking for a two manual Wurlitzer console shell that >was capable of controlling eight to ten ranks of pipes. >Style is not an issue and I do not need keyboards, pedal board, bench or >stop tabs. Just the shell capable of being refinished. >If anyone knows where I might acquire such a beast, I would appreciate >the information. This is for a theatre installation by >a Non-Profit 501.c(3) ATOS chapter so a donated shell would be >wonderful. Shipping is not a problem. Anybody - Anywhere? > >Thanks, >Don Peterson >President NTC-ATOS > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org   We may have something up here in NY. I'll forward the msg. Tom?   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: [Residence Organs] RE: windchest magnets From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:24:02 -0500   >I have a few used one-piece pouch/magnet affairs. The pouches are about = 2" >diameter with a 3/4" diameter valve with an adjustable cap magnet in a = pot >metal housing. I have used these for such applications as train whistle, >bird whistle and other traps. Very handy little things, but I've not seen >them in any catalogues. No makers' name on them, just a patent number. > >Rick   we have a few of these too. Anybody want them?   John V      
(back) Subject: Stuff for sale From: "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:52:13 -0500   From the "Theatre Organ Home Page" want ads:   Art Nisson - artnisson@aol.com (714-649-0655) wants to sell a 1/4hp, 220v, =   1-ph BOBCO blower. 5" static pressure, quiet, $300, UPS-shippable.   (I'd guess this is a nice unit. LC)   From the "Church Organ Trader":   Walt Strony Las Vegas, NV (702-821-1432) <strony@prodigy.net> wants to = sell:   THREE RANK REUTER organ. Flute, String, Dulciana.   Pipes are in excellent condition. Console is in average used condition, could use some refinishing. Reservoir should be re-leathered, and organ needs to be rewired (unfortunately the previous owners cut the cables!) Chest is Direct Electric. Needs new blower...I'd buy a new quiet =   blower that could be located close-by.   Organ was installed in a chamber, but easily could be installed freestanding with a little carpentry.   This organ is in Las Vegas, NV and for sale for $1000.00 or best offer. = You move. I need to make room for other instruments!   This would be a great practice organ for someone who isn't afraid of a little mechanical work.   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   So, for you folks out in the West, there is a little organ and a blower = for it!   Larry Chace   p.s. I've used the 2 layers of Sheetrock method of building thicker and harder walls. Yellow or while glue (Elmer's, Titebond, etc.), thinned somewhat with water and rolled on with a pain roller, works well as an adhesive, better than "glue in a tube" that just puts down a narrow bead. On my chamber ceiling, I used scrap strips of Sheetrock as the = first layer, since they were handy, and I even slipped glue-coated smaller scrap =   up on top of them, sliding them between the ceiling joists. I then = applied full sheets as the final layer and then painted it all with two or three coats of glossy latex enamel.    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: [Residence Organs] RE: windchest magnets From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:19:02 -0800   Hi, John. If no-one else has responded, I'm interested. Let me know = about shipping cost, etc. and I'll get you the $$.   At 09:24 01/11/2001 -0500, John Vanderlee wrote: >>I have a few used one-piece pouch/magnet affairs. The pouches are about = 2" >>diameter with a 3/4" diameter valve with an adjustable cap magnet in a = pot >>metal housing. I have used these for such applications as train whistle, >>bird whistle and other traps. Very handy little things, but I've not = seen >>them in any catalogues. No makers' name on them, just a patent number. >> >>Rick > >we have a few of these too. Anybody want them? > >John V > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > >   Regards, Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA NAWCC 140818 http://www.jps.net/rrloesch alternate mailto:cuckoobob@eudoramail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: [Residence Organs] RE: windchest magnets From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:37:41 EST     --part1_77.eb61293.278f2d45_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi all, those valves are noisy when they are operated, I used them on the principal off set chest in stead of the pouch board set up, to lazy. You = can here them closing, most of my pipes are in the room with me about thirty = feet away. They are ten or twelve bucks each and Organ supply will releather = too. But it is an easy way to build a chest and keep the voicer happy (he = thinks d.e. valves are to fast messing up his voicing).I think at low preasure's(3.5) it doesn't matter that much.   Have fun stay dry. Dennis   --part1_77.eb61293.278f2d45_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi all, those valves = are noisy when they are operated, I used them on the <BR>principal off set = chest in stead of the pouch board set up, to lazy. You can <BR>here them = closing, most of my pipes are in the room with me about thirty feet = <BR>away. They are ten or twelve bucks each and Organ supply will = releather too. <BR>But it is an easy way to build a chest and keep the = voicer happy (he thinks <BR>d.e. valves are to fast messing up his = voicing).I think at low <BR>preasure's(3.5) it doesn't matter that much. <BR> <BR>Have fun stay dry. <BR>Dennis</FONT></HTML>   --part1_77.eb61293.278f2d45_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Looking for console shell From: <Mohman@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:47:26 EST     --part1_26.fb7c5ab.278f2f8e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I have a late, scroll style, 2 manual Wurlitzer console. I would be = willing to donate it.   Contact me privately please.   Mike Ohman   --part1_26.fb7c5ab.278f2f8e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D3>I have a late, scroll style, 2 manual Wurlitzer console. &nbsp;I = would be willing <BR>to donate it. <BR> <BR>Contact me privately please. <BR> <BR>Mike Ohman</FONT></HTML>   --part1_26.fb7c5ab.278f2f8e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: windchest magnets From: "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:37:40 -0600   Dear Steve and List:   I bought my Reisner 601 magnets brand new from OSI (Organ Supply Industries). It was about $350 for 63 of them. I used them to build a chest to play my 2' prinzipal because I could not find a unit chest = anywhere that was small enough to fit in the space provided and 2' stops are = usually on a multiple rank chest. If you want cheaper magnets, you can also check =   used listings for these magnets, even buy a used DE chest and take it = apart and remove all the magnets, if you don't want to use the chest as is. = Hope this helps.   Sincerely,   Bart Kleineweber Chicago, IL http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/webpages/kleineweber/ prinzipal8@hotmail.com   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: [Residence Organs] RE: windchest magnets From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:47:44 -0500   >Hi, John. If no-one else has responded, I'm interested. Let me know = about >shipping cost, etc. and I'll get you the $$. > I'll inventory what we have on monday night. Then I'll let you know with a price list (it'll be cheap!) but I need your address.     >At 09:24 01/11/2001 -0500, John Vanderlee wrote: >>>I have a few used one-piece pouch/magnet affairs. The pouches are about = 2" >>>diameter with a 3/4" diameter valve with an adjustable cap magnet in a = pot >>>metal housing. I have used these for such applications as train = whistle, >>>bird whistle and other traps. Very handy little things, but I've not = seen >>>them in any catalogues. No makers' name on them, just a patent number. >>> >>>Rick >> >>we have a few of these too. Anybody want them? >> >>John V >> >> >> >>DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >>Residence Pipe Organs. >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >> >> >> > >Regards, >Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA >NAWCC 140818 >http://www.jps.net/rrloesch >alternate mailto:cuckoobob@eudoramail.com > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Replies From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:12:37 -0500   Sorry List,   been hitting the reply key a little too quickly to respond to personal messages.   Apologies for taking up your time   John V      
(back) Subject: Voicing for the Windchest was windchest magnets From: <TheGluePot@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:06:43 EST   Pipewheezr@aol.com writes: << But it is an easy way to build a chest and keep the voicer happy (he thinks > d.e. valves are to fast messing up his voicing).I think at low > preasure's(3.5) it doesn't matter that much. >>   Did your voicer do the voicing on his windchests?   A flue pipe is voiced to respond to how the wind is presented to it. The position of the languid is the most critical adjustment to be sure that = the first concussive blast of wind does not over blow the pipe. Transient = attack noises caused by an action that is fast applied to a pipe that is voiced "fast" can be ugly; but, a good voicer will know how to tame the pipe to match the chest. Modern enlightened voicing will let any pipe work on a = D.E. chest with only small losses in sound quality. Pipes that have the = correct nicking, proper languid position, an aligned flue, a slightly restrictive = toe hole, and an upper lip that is centered over the flue properly, will fare just fine.   Since ALL final voicing, regulating, terracing, and tuning are done on the =   chests in their final position there should be no problem. How can your chest mess up HIS voicing?   Al Sefl  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Voicing for the Windchest was windchest magnets From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:04:54 -0500   At 3:06 PM -0500 1/11/01, TheGluePot@aol.com wrote: > Modern enlightened voicing will let any pipe work on a D.E. >chest with only small losses in sound quality. Pipes that have the = correct >nicking, proper languid position, an aligned flue, a slightly restrictive = toe >hole, and an upper lip that is centered over the flue properly, will fare >just fine. >   How do expansion chambers fit in here? I eventually want to build my own chest using the 601 magnets and am questioning the importance of using an expansion chamber. Is the use of these more important on the larger pipes say in the 8' region. In any event I would figure on a toeboard of not less than 1 1/2" thick not using chambers. Using chambers of course would yield a much thicker toeboard. The other option would be channels or tubing to increase the volume between the valve and the pipe toe.   Craig Elders has told me he has made out well using 1 1/2" toeboards without chambers on his pipes somewhere in the 8' region on up.   Any ideas? Eric    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Voicing for the Windchest was windchest magnets From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:14:56 EST     --part1_a3.105431fd.278fc2a0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   He is a stick in the mud about new ways of doing certain things.D.E. = chest's or Wicks is not the right way to do it, however I know that this guy used = d e valves in a place where he did not allow enough room for the littlest pipe =   pouches. He also will not use fish glue. I find that fish glues is much easier to use a lot of times. But he releathered a regulator and put it in =   use and it started leaking! and called me to borrow the horrid fish glue! I am trying to rough voice my self. I repaired several of his car's in = trade for the voicing and tuning. Now that I am ready he is not avaible.We have voiced the 4' oct so I am going to get the rest close then pay Lyle Blackington to finish I suppose. Well, enough for now. Have fun. Dennis   --part1_a3.105431fd.278fc2a0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>He is a stick in the = mud about new ways of doing certain things.D.E. chest's <BR>or Wicks is = not the right way to do it, however I know that this guy used d e = <BR>valves in a place where he did not allow enough room for the littlest = pipe <BR>pouches. He also will not use fish glue. I find that fish glues = is much <BR>easier to use a lot of times. But he releathered a regulator = and put it in <BR>use and it started leaking! and called me to borrow the = horrid fish glue! <BR>I am trying to rough voice my self. I repaired several of his car's in = trade <BR>for the voicing and tuning. Now that I am ready he is not = avaible.We have <BR>voiced the 4' oct so I am going to get the rest close = then pay Lyle <BR>Blackington to finish I suppose. <BR>Well, enough for now. <BR>Have fun. <BR>Dennis</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a3.105431fd.278fc2a0_boundary--