DIYAPASON-L Digest #235 - Tuesday, January 16, 2001
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Mounting large pipes off chests
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Electronic Relay/ Combination
  by "John Durgan" <kimbalman@earthlink.net>
pipe scales
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
pipe scales
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  RE: Weekend Salvage trip
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Re: Pt. 2 pipe repairs ...  Opps....... h	it send
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
Re: Organs that are playing
  by "Dave McClellan" <drmc@speedfactory.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  RE: Weekend Salvage trip
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
Artisan console - who inquired?
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: [Residence Organs]  RE: Weekend Salvage trip
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Electronic Relay/ Combination
  by "John R. & Patricia A. Ball" <johnrball@erols.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  RE: Weekend Salvage trip
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  RE: Weekend Salvage trip
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Electronic Relay/ Combination
  by "Wietstock, Steven M" <swietsto@indiana.edu>
Undecipherable script
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Labial oboes.
  by "Nemesio Valle, III" <nevst3@imap.pitt.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  RE: Weekend Salvage trip
  by "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
Re: [Residence Organs] Organs that are playing
  by "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Artisan console - who inquired?
  by "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Artisan console - who inquired?
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Artisan console - who inquired?
  by "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Labial oboes.
  by "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Labial oboes.
  by "Nemesio Valle, III" <nevst3@imap.pitt.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Mounting large pipes off chests From: "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 03:31:30 -0800   Larry Chace wrote: > ... > Try placing the chest in a "leaning tower of Pisa" fashion, ...   This is exactly the solution I chose for my mounting problem, for the 16' bourdon bottom octave in my installation. I've been wondering about the "problem" of whether to make the pipe fronts flush with each other, or stack them without regard for the adjacent larger pipes being close to the sides of the mouths of the smaller pipes. Actually I've already mounted them flush - easier to brace that way - but wonder if I needed to do it for sound/wind purposes.   And in his previous post, Larry wrote:   > One approach to a very thin chest is to built it upside-down, with > the toeboard (no longer the "top" board!) extending behind the > chest body ...   I also have one of these, a 12-note extension chest, chamfered for wooden toes and I need to find an easy way to reduce the toeholes for use with my 8' salicional bottom octave pipes.   All I need now, to get the show on the road, is another circuit breaker panel installed in the chamber (ex-bedroom), to power the blower and rectifiers.   Mac Hayes  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Electronic Relay/ Combination From: "John Durgan" <kimbalman@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:20:05 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0024_01C07F8C.C0086AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi,   I have just purchased the Artisan system. The Folks there are very =3D helpful, delivery time is very very short, all the parts are in stock, = =3D and the system is reliable and very flexible. 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(back) Subject: pipe scales From: <RSiegel920@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:49:08 EST   A big thank you to Larry & Rick for the information on pipe scales. thanks and regards Dick Siegel  
(back) Subject: pipe scales From: <RSiegel920@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:53:31 EST   A big thank you to Larry & Rick for the information on pipe scales. thanks and regards Dick Siegel  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: Weekend Salvage trip From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:14:56 -0600   At 1/15/01 09:02 AM, Steve wrote:   >Questions: is it possible to straighten out mitered metal pipes? > is it usualy possible to replace pipes when one or two pipes in >a rank are damaged or missing? (a few of the Oboes were crushed) > is it possible to repair dents in soft metal pipes ? (some of >the smaller Oboe pipes have some major dings in them)   Hi, Steve --   Answers: yes, yes, and yes!   Mitred pipes can be carefully cut back apart at the solder seams and re-soldered straight. (they then could be cut back apart and remitred in a different configuration, too) One needs to be handy with a pipe-iron to = do this, though!   Missing pipes in a set can easily be replicated by a pipemaker. In the case of severely damaged "tiny trebles", it can be more practical to replace them than repair them. If you send the pipemaker the intact pipes on either side of the missing one, there should be no problem getting a = new one to fit.   Dents in soft metal pipework are easy to repair, for the most part. One would use an appropriate mandrel to gently 'squeeze' the dents back out. It is possible that the damaged spot will still show a bit, but the dents can be removed anyway. Dents around the mouth or in the toe of a pipe present more of a problem -- bashed mouths often require the further attention of a voicer to restore the pipe, and pipe toes will likely need to be cut open and soldered back together to repair dents there. Tapered pipes present their own challenges, but they are not imposible to = overcome.   Dents in old zinc pipes (basses, or reed stems -- this is the vaguely greenish speckled metal) are problematic, as the metal tends to get = brittle and prone to cracking and breaking when bent. Small dents in zinc pipes might be best left alone.   As to your oboes, off the top of my head, I'd guess Estey. They made = scads of those things years ago...spotted metal pipes -- very slight compound taper -- sunken languid...neat pipes! Good luck with them!   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR <tmbovard @arkansas.net>  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Re: Pt. 2 pipe repairs ... Opps....... h it send now too before finished..... From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:31:40 -0600   Thanks.Most of the pipe work I got is in good condition.Its just the soft Oboe pipe that were damaged.Sounds like it would make sense for me to find an Organ builder in the area who could help repair these pipes.   > -----Original Message----- > From: TheGluePot@aol.com [SMTP:TheGluePot@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 9:05 PM > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: Pt. 2 pipe repairs ... Opps....... > hit send now too before finished..... > > In a message dated 1/15/01 7:03:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, > steve.pitts@adtran.com writes: > > << > Questions: is it possible to straighten out mitered metal pipes? > is it usualy possible to replace pipes when one or two pipes in > a rank are damaged or missing? (a few of the Oboes were crushed) > is it possible to repair dents in soft metal pipes ? (some of > the smaller Oboe pipes have some major dings in them) > > >> > > Damaged pipes are easy to fix, in the trade we call it "body and fender > work." > > Since the pipes are soft alloys, they may be worked easily. Mandrels = and > slap sticks are the easiest way to take out dents. Even pipes crushed > nearly > flat can be brought back to round and usable shape. > > Good luck, > > Al Sefl > > This time I hit the send button when finished. These senior moments are =   > coming closer and closer together......... > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Organs that are playing From: "Dave McClellan" <drmc@speedfactory.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:52:01 -0500   Keith Zimmerman asked about Organs that are playing. I have had a = "playing" pipe organ for many years, and use it daily for practice (see http://www.mcclellans.com/pipeorgan.htm). That's the good news. My bad news is likely similar to difficulties other amateur residence organ builders are having. I have now risen to my level of incompetence and = need professional help with pipe repairs, adjustments, regulation, tuning, and tonal finishing. I have neither the skills nor tools to accomplish these tasks. Over the last several years, I have engaged several local organbuilders and technicians. But the typical pattern is that they will drop by the house a couple of times, do some of the work required on site = or at their shops, offer their opinion of where I need to go and the steps to be taken, and then DISAPPEAR, never to be heard of again (not even responding to email or returning phone calls, etc.)   The end result is wasted time and money, constantly changing project = plans, no continuity - a hodge-podge - no tonal cohesion - constantly acquiring = and recycling parts - and FRUSTRATION! You don't know how many times I have thought about dumping the whole mess and starting over.   The reason these builders/techs disappear is likely that they are doing = this work on a time available basis, on their own time. When a big project = comes along at their "day job", no more "g jobs". Business appears to be = booming in the area (Atlanta, Georgia). I suspect that many residence instrument owners cannot afford to engage professionals on other than a time and materials basis. And in most cases, the work has to be done at the shop rather than the residence (tools, voicing machine, etc.)   So my advice to potential residence organ builders with limited pipe organ building skills and tools is as follows, as best stated by Ron Severin <RonSeverin@aol.com>: "My advice is to leave it to the professional = builder to suggest a complete integral organ that will fit the environment of the home. The most practical are two or three rank organs, in a finished stand alone swell box, preferably new enough 20-30 years old. Releathering then will only be a few years away, and allow you to enjoy your prize."   But I will add my own advice: don't start small and expect to add on = (using used parts) later. I suspect that most residence organ builders think = they will never want more than 2-3 ranks. But unless physical space is truly limited, that is RARELY the case. And if you really ARE limited in space = to 2-3 ranks, you really may be better off with an electronic (shudder) or pipe/electronic combination! Decide where you want to be, and find a complete organ that will meet your requirements. It is very difficult to put together a cohesive instrument using used parts unless you have the skills and tools to do pipework repairs, regulation, and tonal finishing. = I have spent a lot of money on my instrument, and have little to show for = it. For what I have spent, I could have acquired DOZENS of complete = instruments that would have better met my needs.   A valuable addition to the DIYAPASON-L web page would be a more complete list of "residence organ builder friendly" builders and technicians in the various geographic areas.   Dave        
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] RE: Weekend Salvage trip From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:59:04 -0600     I solved a mystery last night during further examination of the materials = I got this weekend.I had what looked like 2 sets of duplicate octaves of wooden pipes from a 4 ft rank and an empty chest for a 4ft rank marked as "Flute".Some experimenting revealed that these were actually a matched set in pitch.The lower octave of this set is a stopped wood pipe marked "Bourdon".The upper 2 octaves start with a wooden pipe almost as tall but more narrow than the Bourdon.These are half covered and are marked = "Melodia ".I feel sure these were intended to be arranged this way since they fit perfectly on the chest rack and toe holes.I also have a wooded bass octave that has two different scale pipes on it which fit on an offset chest.   Does this make sense to mix pipes of different scales within a rank?   I cant find a builders name on the pipes but I can see a PAT'D 1907 and = A322 on the 4ft C of the Oboe rank .Anybody got any further ideas (Estey?) who made these?   The chest I got have all the action on the bottom board.These have little pouches connected to long pins which hold the valve felts.The pouch = leather actually appears to be intact but the U shaped magnets and cloth insulated wiring looks ancient.Is it more practical to rebuild these chests as EP or convert them to DE?Converting them to DE seems simple (except for the cost of the magnets) since the top board (toe board) has nothing on it and = there is plenty of room for installing DE magnets.Any ideas?  
(back) Subject: Artisan console - who inquired? From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:13:19 -0500   Hi people,   Last week, one of my responses prompted an inquiry from a list member = about a 3 manual theater Artisan console with syndynes I have available.   Unfortunately, the address got tossed when I cleaned out my mailbox. Could that person respond again please?   Thanks for your time.   John V      
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] RE: Weekend Salvage trip From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:31:45 -0500   At 8:59 AM -0600 1/16/01, STEVE PITTS wrote: >The upper 2 octaves start with a wooden pipe almost as tall but >more narrow than the Bourdon.These are half covered and are marked = "Melodia >".I feel sure these were intended to be arranged this way since they fit >perfectly on the chest rack and toe holes.I also have a wooded bass = octave >that >has two different scale pipes on it which fit on an offset chest. > >Does this make sense to mix pipes of different scales within a rank?   I don't know if I understand your explanation correctly but I saw on a Hillgreen -Lane where two different ranks of bass pipes were mounted on the same chest. I suspect that the Bourdon and Melodia have complete separate ranks of pipes but to make things convenient they were installed to share the same bass chests.   > > >The chest I got have all the action on the bottom board.These have little >pouches connected to long pins which hold the valve felts.The pouch = leather >actually appears to be intact but the U shaped magnets and cloth = insulated >wiring looks ancient.Is it more practical to rebuild these chests as EP = or >convert them to DE?Converting them to DE seems simple (except for the = cost >of the magnets) since the top board (toe board) has nothing on it and = there >is plenty of room for installing DE magnets.Any ideas?   My 3 rank Kilgen chest is constructed this way. I believe in Barnes organ book it spoke highly of this design. As far as converting to DE or releathering, I guess it depends on if you have all EP chests for the whole project. I think if there will be major additions done in DE then I would convert the existing chest to DE to keep the action consistent.   Eric     > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Electronic Relay/ Combination From: "John R. & Patricia A. Ball" <johnrball@erols.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:48:21 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_004E_01C07FA9.D7FDA9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi Mr. Durgan, I am getting you message without the usual PIPORG or DYAPA footer. This = =3D leads me to suspect that your address book may have gotten addresses =3D mixed up and that you are sending messages directly to me rather than to = =3D the list? Regards, John Ball   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: John Durgan=3D20 To: Residence Organ List=3D20 Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Electronic Relay/ Combination     Hi,   I have just purchased the Artisan system. 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(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] RE: Weekend Salvage trip From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:59:26 -0800   Hi, Steve. I've got 11 ranks of Wangerin unit chests which are built with the pouches in the bottom boards, as yours are. Kilgen also used this configuration, and there might have been others. From personal = experience, I'd recommend releathering those chests as they are, and using them. My chests were professionally releathered in 1963 (they are 1928? chests), = and they are still in great shape, working perfectly. The San Franciso = Orpheum Theatre's 1926 Robert Morton, which also had pouches, was still playing perfectly when it was removed from the theatre in 1976. Those are good chests. Don't change them! Also, it is quite common to put stopped basses ('Bourdon') on a melodia or concert flute, even in church/classical organs. In theatre organs, it was nearly ALWAYS done that way.   At 08:59 01/16/2001 -0600, STEVE PITTS wrote: > >I solved a mystery last night during further examination of the materials = I >got this weekend.I had what looked like 2 sets of duplicate octaves of >wooden pipes from a 4 ft rank and an empty chest for a 4ft rank marked as >"Flute".Some experimenting revealed that these were actually a matched = set >in pitch.The lower octave of this set is a stopped wood pipe marked >"Bourdon".The upper 2 octaves start with a wooden pipe almost as tall but >more narrow than the Bourdon.These are half covered and are marked = "Melodia >".I feel sure these were intended to be arranged this way since they fit >perfectly on the chest rack and toe holes.I also have a wooded bass = octave >that >has two different scale pipes on it which fit on an offset chest. > >Does this make sense to mix pipes of different scales within a rank? > >I cant find a builders name on the pipes but I can see a PAT'D 1907 and = A322 >on the 4ft C of the Oboe rank .Anybody got any further ideas (Estey?) who >made these? > >The chest I got have all the action on the bottom board.These have little >pouches connected to long pins which hold the valve felts.The pouch = leather >actually appears to be intact but the U shaped magnets and cloth = insulated >wiring looks ancient.Is it more practical to rebuild these chests as EP = or >convert them to DE?Converting them to DE seems simple (except for the = cost >of the magnets) since the top board (toe board) has nothing on it and = there >is plenty of room for installing DE magnets.Any ideas? > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > >   Regards, Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA NAWCC 140818 http://www.jps.net/rrloesch alternate mailto:cuckoobob@eudoramail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: Weekend Salvage trip From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:13:23 EST     --part1_6a.a707d66.2795cd23_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi all, I demitered the bottom Oct. of a 8'Prin.and found a way to hold = them together straight while soldiering. I took aluminum sheet metal and rolled = it up and put it in side the pipe and then slid on the pieces. The aluminum stopped soldier from going every where inside also. Now I have to learn = how to make those neat soldier joints! I will have some new pictures on the = web site soon, bigger bourbons and the console moved(again) and maybe the = great 8'reed,then the choir chest goes up on the steel stand above the stair = well. Have fun Dennis   --part1_6a.a707d66.2795cd23_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi all, I demitered the = bottom Oct. of a 8'Prin.and found a way to hold them <BR>together straight while soldiering. I took aluminum sheet metal and = rolled it <BR>up and put it in side the pipe and then slid on the pieces. The = aluminum <BR>stopped soldier from going every where inside also. Now I have to = learn how <BR>to make those neat soldier joints! I will have some new pictures on = the web <BR>site soon, bigger bourbons and the console moved(again) and maybe the = great <BR>8'reed,then the choir chest goes up on the steel stand above the stair = well. <BR>Have fun <BR>Dennis</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6a.a707d66.2795cd23_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Electronic Relay/ Combination From: "Wietstock, Steven M" <swietsto@indiana.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:16:15 -0500   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C07FD7.A6BE7610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   =3DFF=3DFE<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Dunicode"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN =3D class=3D3D675281516-16012001><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2>I don't know about = others =3D on the list, but this is the second message that I have received this morning =3D from this list encoded in an undecipherable script.&nbsp; Please set your =3D mailers to only send messages in plain-text mode (ASCII). </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D675281516-16012001><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" =3D color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN =3D class=3D3D675281516-16012001><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2>Please resend in plain-text.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN =3D class=3D3D675281516-16012001><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D675281516-16012001><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" =3D color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2>Steven M. Wietstock, Ph.D.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phone: 812-855-2700</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2>Coord. of Instructional Programs&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fax:&nbsp;&nbsp; 812-855-8300</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2>Department = =3D of Chemistry, C021</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2>Indiana University&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Email: swietsto@indiana.edu</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" = size=3D3D2>800 =3D E. Kirkwood Ave</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" =3D size=3D3D2>Bloomington, IN&nbsp;&nbsp; 47405-7102</FONT> </DIV> <P><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2>President, Bloomington Advisors' Council</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT> = =3D </P> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John R. &amp; =3D Patricia A. Ball [mailto:johnrball@erols.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 16, =3D 2001 10:48 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Residence Organ List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Residence Organs] Electronic Relay/ Combination<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>=3D20 Hi Mr. Durgan, I am getting you message without the usual PIPORG or DYAPA footer. =3D This leads me to suspect that your address book may have gotten addresses =3D mixed up and that you are sending messages directly to me rather than to the =3D list? Regards, John Ball =3D20   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: John <mailto:kimbalman@earthlink.net> Durgan=3D20 To: Residence Organ List <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> =3D20 Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Electronic Relay/ Combination   Hi, =3D20 I have just purchased the Artisan system. The Folks there are very =3D helpful, delivery time is very very short, all the parts are in stock, and the system is reliable and very flexible. Also the price is pretty good. =3D20 John Durgan Mississippi   </BODY></HTML>=3D20   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C07FD7.A6BE7610 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> =3DFF=3DFE<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">   <HTML><HEAD>   <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dunicode">   <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD>   <BODY>   <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D675281516-16012001><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20   size=3D3D2>I don't know about others on the list, but this is the second = =3D message=3D20   that I have received this morning from this list encoded in an =3D undecipherable=3D20   script.&nbsp; Please set your mailers to only send messages in =3D plain-text mode=3D20   (ASCII). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>   <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D675281516-16012001><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>   <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D675281516-16012001><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20   size=3D3D2>Please resend in plain-text.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>   <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D675281516-16012001><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>   <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D675281516-16012001><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20   size=3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>   <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>   <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New"=3D20   size=3D3D2>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT> = =3D <BR><FONT=3D20   face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2>Steven M. Wietstock,=3D20   Ph.D.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phone:=3D20   812-855-2700</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2>Coord. of = =3D Instructional=3D20   Programs&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fax:&nbsp;&nbsp; 812-855-8300</FONT> =3D <BR><FONT=3D20   face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2>Department of Chemistry, C021</FONT> =3D <BR><FONT=3D20   face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2>Indiana=3D20   University&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Email: = =3D     swietsto@indiana.edu</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" = size=3D3D2>800 =3D E. Kirkwood=3D20   Ave</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2>Bloomington, =3D IN&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20   47405-7102</FONT> </DIV>   <P><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New" size=3D3D2>President, Bloomington = Advisors' =3D     Council</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D3D"Courier New"=3D20   size=3D3D2>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT> = =3D </P>   <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20   size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John R. &amp; =3D Patricia A. Ball=3D20   [mailto:johnrball@erols.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 16, 2001 =3D 10:48=3D20   AM<BR><B>To:</B> Residence Organ List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Residence = =3D Organs]=3D20   Electronic Relay/=3D20   Combination<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML = =3D 4.0 Transitional//EN">   <HTML><HEAD>   <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dunicode">   <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR>   <STYLE></STYLE>   </HEAD>   <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>   <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hi Mr. Durgan,</FONT></DIV>   <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am getting you message without the = =3D usual PIPORG=3D20   or DYAPA footer.&nbsp; This leads me to suspect that your address book =3D may have=3D20   gotten addresses mixed up and that you are sending messages directly to = =3D me=3D20   rather than to the list?</FONT></DIV>   <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>   <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>John Ball</FONT></DIV>   <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>   <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20   style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">   <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>   <DIV=3D20   style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20   <A title=3D3Dkimbalman@earthlink.net =3D href=3D3D"mailto:kimbalman@earthlink.net">John=3D20   Durgan</A> </DIV>   <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3DDIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20   href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">Residence Organ List</A> =3D </DIV>   <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 16, =3D 2001 8:20=3D20   AM</DIV>   <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Residence =3D Organs]=3D20   Electronic Relay/ Combination</DIV>   <DIV><BR></DIV>   <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>   <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>   <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I have just purchased the Artisan system.&nbsp; = =3D The Folks=3D20   there are very helpful, delivery time is very&nbsp; very short, all =3D the parts=3D20   are in stock, and the system is reliable and very flexible.&nbsp; =3D Also the=3D20   price is pretty good.</FONT></DIV>   <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>   <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>John Durgan</FONT></DIV>   <DIV><FONT =3D size=3D3D2>Mississippi</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   </BODY></HTML>     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C07FD7.A6BE7610--  
(back) Subject: Undecipherable script From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:36:14 -0500   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1232459521=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" ; format=3D"flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Yes I've also had the same problem. I was able to make out what the=3D20 text says but it wasn't easy.   Eric     At 11:16 AM -0500 1/16/01, Wietstock, Steven M wrote: >=3DFF=3DFE >I don't know about others on the list, but this is the second=3D20 >message that I have received this morning from this list encoded in=3D20 >an undecipherable script. Please set your mailers to only send=3D20 >messages in plain-text mode (ASCII). > >Please resend in plain-text. >   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1232459521=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Yes I've also had the same problem. I was able to make out what the text says but it wasn't easy.     Eric       At 11:16 AM -0500 1/16/01, Wietstock, Steven M wrote:   <excerpt>=3DFF=3DFE   <fontfamily><param>Courier_New</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><= s=3D maller>I don't know about others on the list, but this is the second message that I have received this morning from this list encoded in an undecipherable script. Please set your mailers to only send messages in plain-text mode (ASCII).   =3D20   Please resend in plain-text.   =3D20   </smaller></color></fontfamily></excerpt><fontfamily><param>Courier_New</pa= r=3D am><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><smaller></smaller></color></fontfam= i=3D ly>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1232459521=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--  
(back) Subject: Labial oboes. From: "Nemesio Valle, III" <nevst3@imap.pitt.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:48:05 -0500   >As to your oboes, off the top of my head, I'd guess Estey. They made = scads >of those things years ago...spotted metal pipes -- very slight compound >taper -- sunken languid...neat pipes! Good luck with them!   Interesting. The labial oboe with which I am familiar on Estey #171 of 1903 is made of wood. The pipes also have a marking dated April 1898 if I recall correctly, suggesting to me that they were probably made back then and incorporated into an organ five years later.   Only a few other original ranks remain of that organ, sadly, and none of the chest work or console. Still, I just thought I mention it. I am,   Respectfully yours, Nemesio -- Nemesio Valle, III University of Pittsburgh Duquesne University   New Address: 5802 Callowhill Street Pittsburgh, PA 15206 New Phone: 412-365-0340   Email: nevst3@pitt.edu   "The purpose of art is not the release of a momentary ejection of adrenaline but is, rather, the gradual, lifelong construction of a state of wonder and serenity." Glenn Gould  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: Weekend Salvage trip From: "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:42:55 -0500   to Steve:   Yes, I have "unmitered" some pipes successfully; just unsolder them, rotate the parts, and re-solder. The soldering takes some practice, of course!   For dents, find a wooden or steel mandrel (plain ol' iron pipe works OK), anchor it down, slip the organ pipe over it and massage the dent out using your hands to press the organ pipe against the mandrel. The mandrel should be strong, and just a little smaller diameter than the organ pipe.   Ed, in Maine.   ----- Original Message ----- From: STEVE PITTS <steve.pitts@adtran.com> To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: [Residence Organs] RE: Weekend Salvage trip     > Questions: is it possible to straighten out mitered metal pipes? > is it usualy possible to replace pipes when one or two pipes in > a rank are damaged or missing? (a few of the Oboes were crushed) > is it possible to repair dents in soft metal pipes ? (some of > the smaller Oboe pipes have some major dings in them)    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Organs that are playing From: "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:04:35 -0600   Dear Keith Zimmerman and list:     >1. How many of you have organs that are actually playing? Meaning that = you >are able to play beautiful pipe organ music on it.   I have an organ that is actually playing > >2. Those of you who have non-theatre organs, did you use pipes that had >been >in church organs? >   Yes, the pipes had been in church organs, you can also build organs with a =   theatre stop list with church organ pipes.   >3. If you used former church pipes, have you had any problem with the >volume >of your organ? I understand that a voicer has some leeway in taking = pipes >that were designed for a 500 seat sanctuary and revoicing/modifying them = to >play at lower wind pressures and to produce less volume. > No problem with the volume. No need to revoice the pipes usually because homes do not have the same type of acoustics as do stone and brick = churches. No need to lower wind pressure below what the pipes originally spoke on. If you do lower the wind pressure for some other reason, you may have to revoice the pipes. I ordered all my prinzipals brand new and fully voiced so I specified the windpressure I would like = them on and the style of voicing I wanted.   >I would very much like to see pictures of your installations and hear >recordings if you have them. I looked at the websites of those of you = who >had them listed on the diyapason website. > > Mine is one of the websites listed on the diyapason website. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Artisan console - who inquired? From: "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:52:24 -0500   Hi John - I've been seriously considering a complete Artisan control system plus their "Ranks-in-a-Box" for our small church pipeorgan. Do you have anything we should be interested in?   Thanks much! Ed, in Maine   ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: [Residence Organs] Artisan console - who inquired?     > Hi people, > > Last week, one of my responses prompted an inquiry from a list member about > a 3 manual theater Artisan console with syndynes I have available. > > Unfortunately, the address got tossed when I cleaned out my mailbox. = Could > that person respond again please? > > Thanks for your time. > > John V > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Artisan console - who inquired? From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:19:31 -0500   >Hi John - I've been seriously considering a complete >Artisan control system plus their "Ranks-in-a-Box" >for our small church pipeorgan. >Do you have anything we should be interested in? > >Thanks much! Ed, in Maine   Hi Ed,   What I have is a 3 manual horse shoe console only with keyboards, which = has syndynes on all the stoptabs. Due to its size the previous owner cut the keydesk loose from the base. However, when put back together, a piece of trim easily hides the horizontal cuts. It is in very good condition albeit dusty from long storage. It comes complete with bench and pedal board.   I would love to part with it, as my responsibilities for two real theatre organs is enough!   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Artisan console - who inquired? From: "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:54:54 -0500   Hi John - thanks for the reply.   What is a "syndyne"? I know that they are a company which makes contact-to-MIDI converters, among other things.   Thanks, but I'm not interested in the console; but I am looking for 1 or more Syndyne contact-to-MIDI converters.   Ed   ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Artisan console - who inquired?     > >Hi John - I've been seriously considering a complete > >Artisan control system plus their "Ranks-in-a-Box" > >for our small church pipeorgan. > >Do you have anything we should be interested in? > > > >Thanks much! Ed, in Maine > > Hi Ed, > > What I have is a 3 manual horse shoe console only with keyboards, which has > syndynes on all the stoptabs. Due to its size the previous owner cut the > keydesk loose from the base. However, when put back together, a piece of > trim easily hides the horizontal cuts. It is in very good condition = albeit > dusty from long storage. It comes complete with bench and pedal board. > > I would love to part with it, as my responsibilities for two real = theatre > organs is enough! > > John V > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:32:52 -0500   While Estey used wood for their labial Oboes in the early years, and continued to use wood for the labial Saxophones and the very rare labial Tuba, their other labial "reeds" were made of metal, the later Oboes, and the Clarinets. The half-tapered design, in which the top half of the pipe body was slightly tapered, was also used on some of their strings. They are nice pipes but are much more difficult to de-dent!   As for the date 1898 that Nemesio mentioned, that might have been the date of the patent for the lead-toed pipe feet. (The patent was held by a = small company who later sold out to Organ Supply, though the patent has probably expired long ago.) It would seem unlikely that Estey would build a set of pipes and keep them in storage for 5 years. In fact, given the very low opus number that he mentioned, 171, it is possible that they weren't even making pipe organs in 1898. (I should know their business dates, but the only info I cound find -- in Junchen's "Encyclopedia -- was that opus 81 was also from 1903 and that William Haskell joined Estey in 1901.)   Larry Chace      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. From: "Nemesio Valle, III" <nevst3@imap.pitt.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:01:51 -0500   >While Estey used wood for their labial Oboes in the early years, and >continued to use wood for the labial Saxophones and the very rare labial >Tuba, their other labial "reeds" were made of metal, the later Oboes, and >the Clarinets. The half-tapered design, in which the top half of the = pipe >body was slightly tapered, was also used on some of their strings. They >are nice pipes but are much more difficult to de-dent!   Mr Chance, The wooden oboe of which I speak is indeed tapered. I had neglected to mention that. It has not been well taken care of, it seems, and is poorly regulated in spots.   >As for the date 1898 that Nemesio mentioned, that might have been the = date >of the patent for the lead-toed pipe feet. (The patent was held by a = small >company who later sold out to Organ Supply, though the patent has = probably >expired long ago.) It would seem unlikely that Estey would build a set = of >pipes and keep them in storage for 5 years. In fact, given the very low >opus number that he mentioned, 171, it is possible that they weren't even >making pipe organs in 1898.   This would make sense; as I recall (I will check tomorrow) the part labeled 1898 was in fact the foot of the pipe, not the body, but I will verify this.   As for the organ, it has been direct electrified on new chests (except the pedal, which are on 20's Moller-like chests). 9 of the 13 ranks are original to op 171: the oboe, the salicional and celeste, 16' swell bourdon [missing the bottom 12], stopped diapason, 4' flute harmonique, 8' open diapason and 4' principal, and the (extremely quiet) dulciana.   The other pipework (the 16' bourdon pedal, 8' principal pedal, the so-called violin diapason [which consists of two different types of pipes currently], the melodia [bottom octave junk, remaining 49 from another defunct Estey] and the vox humana (not part of the original design) come from other unknown sources.   I am looking for a 8' small scale trumpet. If anyone has one for sale, I would be interested in hearing from you. I am,   Respectfully yours, Nemesio -- Nemesio Valle, III University of Pittsburgh Duquesne University   New Address: 5802 Callowhill Street Pittsburgh, PA 15206 New Phone: 412-365-0340   Email: nevst3@pitt.edu   "The purpose of art is not the release of a momentary ejection of adrenaline but is, rather, the gradual, lifelong construction of a state of wonder and serenity." Glenn Gould