DIYAPASON-L Digest #236 - Wednesday, January 17, 2001
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Labial oboes.
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Labial oboes.
  by <mts@intergrafix.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Labial oboes.
  by "james turner" <JTTUNER@webtv.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Artisan console - who inquired?
  by "Grandstaff, Larry P." <grandslp@smxcorp.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Artisan console - who inquired?
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Electronic Relay/ Combination
  by "John Durgan" <kimbalman@earthlink.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Labial oboes.
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
New child's book on pipe organs
  by <KriderSM@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Labial oboes.
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Labial oboes.
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Labial oboes.
  by "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Labial oboes.
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes.
  by "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  RE: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes.
  by "DanielW Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: [Residence Organs]  RE: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes.
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
RE:  Labial oboes.
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:32:13 -0600   HI , I would guess you are right in saying Estey too. I have opus no. 290 which was built in 1905. The organ at home here has a set of metal labial oboes. If you want anymore information about the Estey Organ Company of Brattleboro, Vt. you may get in contact with Mr John Carnahan, Municipal Center 230 Main St. bx 1286 Brattleboro, Vermont 05302 Ph. 802-258-2363. I believe they started making pipe organs in 1900. Hope this is of help. Gary Black ----- Original Message ----- From: Nemesio Valle, III <nevst3@imap.pitt.edu> To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes.     > >As to your oboes, off the top of my head, I'd guess Estey. They made scads > >of those things years ago...spotted metal pipes -- very slight compound > >taper -- sunken languid...neat pipes! Good luck with them! > > Interesting. The labial oboe with which I am familiar on Estey #171 > of 1903 is made of wood. The pipes also have a marking dated April > 1898 if I recall correctly, suggesting to me that they were probably > made back then and incorporated into an organ five years later. > > Only a few other original ranks remain of that organ, sadly, and none > of the chest work or console. Still, I just thought I mention it. I > am, > > Respectfully yours, > Nemesio > -- > Nemesio Valle, III > University of Pittsburgh > Duquesne University > > New Address: 5802 Callowhill Street > Pittsburgh, PA 15206 > New Phone: 412-365-0340 > > Email: nevst3@pitt.edu > > "The purpose of art is not the release of a momentary ejection of > adrenaline but is, rather, the gradual, lifelong construction of a > state of wonder and serenity." > Glenn Gould > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. From: <mts@intergrafix.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:46:27 GMT   Dear Residence-Organ listers:   Just jumped in on this thread, but sounds interesting. One of the Moller organs I service, opus 2299 from 1917 that has a rather nice metal labial oboe. The organist thought for a long time that it was a soft reed. It was certainly convincing. An Estey opus 58 that I remember from a LONG time ago had a wooden labial oboe that was very dark and rich indeed. A wonderful sound, to say the least. (Unfortunately, this one is LONG gone, I looked for it already.)   Chris Malocheski    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. From: "james turner" <JTTUNER@webtv.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:42:44 -0500 (EST)   Estey started building pipe organs in l900 and stopped when they closed their doors around l960. There is a book out that contains all of the pipes organs they built, dates, locations, etc...   Jim Turner    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Artisan console - who inquired? From: "Grandstaff, Larry P." <grandslp@smxcorp.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:34:34 -0500   Hi John,   I am looking for a 3 manual console. Where are you located and how much = are you looking to get for the console?   Regards, Larry in Reading, PA     -----Original Message----- From: John Vanderlee [mailto:jovanderlee@vassar.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:20 PM To: Residence Organ List Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Artisan console - who inquired?   Hi Ed,   What I have is a 3 manual horse shoe console only with keyboards, which = has syndynes on all the stoptabs. Due to its size the previous owner cut the keydesk loose from the base. However, when put back together, a piece of trim easily hides the horizontal cuts. It is in very good condition albeit dusty from long storage. It comes complete with bench and pedal board.   I would love to part with it, as my responsibilities for two real theatre organs is enough!   John V       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Artisan console - who inquired? From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:29:33 -0500   >Hi John - thanks for the reply. > >What is a "syndyne"? I know that they are a company which makes >contact-to-MIDI converters, among other things.   sorry, should have used the generic instead of the brand name. The stop tabs have electromagnetic actions. i.o.w. magnetic coils operate them instead of pneumatics.   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Electronic Relay/ Combination From: "John Durgan" <kimbalman@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:45:44 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001B_01C08059.7F9B4220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   HI,   Artisan is the way to go. I just bought one after much investigation for = =3D my home organ. 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(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:37:29 -0600     The Oboe rank I picked up last weekend is made of a metal that has a "splotched" lead luster, has a sunken languid, and a slight compound taper towards the ends.This is from 4 ft up.The bottom octave is made of a "speckled" metal, much harder than the softer higher octaves.The lower octave has a capped concentric inner pipe held in place by a spring type mechanism.Each pipe is marked "oboe" and the note it plays C, C# , etc.I also see a A322 and Pat'd nov 19, 07 on the 4 ft C pipe.A couple of = pipes from this rank are missing.I hope to replace them somehow.  
(back) Subject: New child's book on pipe organs From: <KriderSM@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:15:27 EST     --part1_4e.10310578.27971f1f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Greetings, I just bought a colorful child's book about pipe organs. It talks mostly about the console, yet it also shows a diagram about the parts of a flue pipe, labeling those parts. It is a very attractive, colorful book. Every other page has illustrations as colorful as the front cover shown on this = web site.   http://theatreorgans.com/cotos/Amazing%20Pipe%20Organ.htm   Musically, Stan Krider   --part1_4e.10310578.27971f1f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Greetings, <BR>I just bought a colorful child's book about pipe organs. It talks = mostly <BR>about the console, yet it also shows a diagram about the parts of a = flue <BR>pipe, labeling those parts. It is a very attractive, colorful book. = Every <BR>other page has illustrations as colorful as the front cover shown on = this web <BR>site. <BR> <BR>http://theatreorgans.com/cotos/Amazing%20Pipe%20Organ.htm <BR> <BR>Musically, <BR>Stan Krider</FONT></HTML>   --part1_4e.10310578.27971f1f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:09:55 EST   Steve:   In other words, what you apparently bought is a rank with the first 12 = pipes having Haskell basses and made of zinc, and the upper octaves = spotted metal. This is pitched very low at A322 and you may have trouble = incorporating these pipes into your organ which is probably at A440.   Tom  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:22:44 -0600     Thats very interesting.....I had no idea what the A322 meant....by the way....from crude experimentation, those pipes(the oboes) do seem to be = in tune with my 4ft open diapason and bourdon rank....The four ranks I picked up this weekend (including the oboe) seem to have come from the same instrument. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tspiggle@aol.com [SMTP:Tspiggle@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 11:10 AM > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. > > Steve: > > In other words, what you apparently bought is a rank with the first 12 > pipes having Haskell basses and made of zinc, and the upper octaves > spotted metal. This is pitched very low at A322 and you may have trouble > incorporating these pipes into your organ which is probably at A440. > > Tom > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. From: "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:26:45 -0500   Steve's description is clearly of an Estey metal labial Oboe, as has been noted. The "A322" might well be some sort of "model number" rather than a =   pitch, since, as Tom pointed out, that would be exceptionally flat!   I'll try to remember to check the metal Haskell basses I have in storage (Viol d'Orchestre and Salicional) to see if they, too, have some similar notations.   My wooden Clarabella seemed most happy at about a=3D435, a 1917-ish set, = and I'd guess that Estey built to that pitch at least until switching to a=3D440. As makers of many reed organs, they would probably be quite familiar with standarized pitches.   Larry Chace    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:49:49 EST   Larry:   I think you must be right. An organ pitched at A322 would be almost 6-7 = notes off standard pitch and the 8' pipes would be VERY long.   Tom  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. From: "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:58:02 -0600   Dear List:   It seems very unlikely that A322 means the pitch that the pipes were built =   for. Because A392 is a whole tone lower than A440, A322 would be at least =   three whole tones lower than A440. This would require the builder to make =   flues very large for CC or CCC. In addition, there are no other = instruments made for any pitches lower than A392, and A392 is only used on very early flutes and other early music instruments meant to play literature composed =   before 1700. Most baroque instruments play at A415, which is about 1 semitone lower than A440.   It must be a model or opus number for the instrument it was made for. Incidentally, I have a reed oboe that is marked A316, and it clearly does not operate at that pitch, but rather, is quite comfortable at A440.   Sincerely,   Bart Kleineweber Chicago, IL http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/webpages/kleineweber/ prinzipal8@hotmail.com     _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. From: "DanielW Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:21:12 -0400   .. on some of my zinc Pipes of facade and also 4 ' octave it has stamped in = the metal *** 12 A   it looks something like above 3 astrichs then the 12 then A and around it is some name of somekind what would this mean    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Labial oboes. From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:52:14 EST   Bart:   Maybe the A316 and A322 has something to do with the scale.   Tom  
(back) Subject: RE: Labial oboes. From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:12:27 -0600   Hi, Steve --   Sounds like you have a by-the-book Estey stop there.   We've got a selection of odds-and-ends of old Estey pipework around the shop -- one of the things I've noticed is that their pipes are often stamped with an "X ###" designation. What exactly it means, I do not know -- but it is definitely not the tuned pitch.   How many oboe pipes are missing, and are they large or small ones? I have a few odd ones laying around. Maybe I could help...?   Tim Bovard Little Rock, AR <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Technician, Nichols and Simpson, Inc., Organbuilders <www.nicholsandsimpson.com>