DIYAPASON-L Digest #245 - Friday, January 26, 2001
 
Re: I need an Answer to Question from Reporter
  by <TheGluePot@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc.
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
OSI, Laukhauff and DIY reeds
  by "Caroline Kehne" <ckehne@accglobal.net>
Re: Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc.
  by "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc.
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
URLs
  by "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  URLs
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
Re: [Residence Organs] Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc.
  by "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc.
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc.
  by "Richard Schneider, President" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: [Residence Organs] Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc.
  by "steve c bournias" <chrisbournias@hotmail.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Laukhuff URL
  by <KZimme7737@aol.com>
Wood Pipework
  by "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Laukhuff URL
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc.
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Laukhuff URL
  by <KZimme7737@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  I need an Answer to Question from Reporter
  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>
16' Vox Humana
  by "Richard Schneider, President" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  URLs
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  URLs
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: I need an Answer to Question from Reporter From: <TheGluePot@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 02:46:41 EST   > WHy is there less keys on a pipe Organ than most reed organs or Pianos? > please answer as soon as possible > thanks > Danielwh >>   I think I would be simplistic and answer that a piano has a larger = keyboard because it is only one musical instrument that plays from the low notes to =   the high notes so one key is needed for each note. A total of 88 notes = gets you from very low to very high.   A pipe organ is many instruments where a stop key can chose a low note = range instrument or a high note range instrument. You don't have to have a full = 97 notes to cover all those octaves which a piano does with 88 (some pianos = like a Bosendorfer Concert Grand DeLuxe does have 97 keys).   Have I been my usual clear as mud self?   Al Sefl   p.s. Daniel, glad the interview went so well and you had fun!  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc. From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:56:18 -0500   I have ordered many times from OSI under my company name. A friend has = also ordered from them under his own personal name.   Money is money I guess, no matter where it comes from.   OTOH, when I asked for a new catalogue from Klann, I had to assure them I was in the organ business; that this was my sole livelyhood -as they do = not sell to' weekenders '.   Rick    
(back) Subject: OSI, Laukhauff and DIY reeds From: "Caroline Kehne" <ckehne@accglobal.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:14:23 -0500   A few years back, I toyed with the idea of extending an 8' vox humana down to 16' for my hausorgel (I've put that project on the back burner, having found a 61-note 16' trumpet REAL cheap in the interim). I tried weighing the tongues on an orphaned 8' vox bottom octave, but the speech became too slow and soft in the process. So I decided to make some new tongues of the proper length. I ordered the Laukhauff catalogue, but got spooked at the prices and the $50 bill (Canadian) for the catalogue. OSI was willing to sell me a small sheet of brass from which I cut out the tongues (check 'em out; maybe their policy for such custom orders may have changed). BTW, don't try cutting your tongues with tin snips...you'll only get kinks and curls in the metal. The traditional way to cut them out seems to be to scrap out a trough in the sheet with a special tool. I cheated; I sent my brass to a brother-in-law who worked in a high-tech machine shop and he cut the tongues out with a computer-controlled laser (no fair!, you might say)...   have fun, Robert Pelletier  
(back) Subject: Re: Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc. From: "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:26:50 -0500   Keith Zimmerman <KZimme7737@aol.com> asked about doing business with Organ =   Supply and Laukhuff. As Rick Veague said, OSI is happy to sell to = amateurs working on their own projects. Very many years ago they used to issue a catalog with list prices as well as a "confidential" wholesale price list, =   but at present their price list applies to all customers (as far as I know!). They are happy to sell you anything you can afford! ;-)   Laukhuff has some resentatives in the USA, and they are prepared to deal with the complex issues of overseas shipping, customs, and the like. I believe that some/many German suppliers are unwilling (or unable) to sell to individuals but that some (including Laukhuff, I believe) will sell to members of the GdO (Gesellshaft der Orgelfreunde), again, for their own projects. (Remember that there may be different legal considerations in different countries.)   There are English suppliers who have made similar arrangements; P&S comes to mind. I know that they, for example, have several standardized designs =   for small 1m and 2m tracker organs, and they will sell them in various stages of completion, from raw components to 100% complete, ready to setup =   and tune. At a recent AIO convention, then showed off a chassis using one =   of their standard 2m 3r slider chests -- the "middle" rank is permanently available on both manuals. This would make a nice home instrument for someone interest in that type.   The question of organ "builder" versus "assembler" is one that has been around for a long time. Ever since some organ builders decided to provide =   parts to the trade, there have been supply houses, and even the most = famous of builders (including Skinner, Schultz, Willis, and Wurlitzer) have from time to time purchased items rather than building them in-house, including =   keyboards, pipework, blowers, and the like. Of the large builders in the USA today, Wicks might be the one making the most of their components in-house, including blowers. Of course, many of the smaller tracker builders take justifiable pride in building as much as possible from raw materials. For most builders, I'd guess, there is always a certain amount =   of supply house material that they use; the "amount" can vary from builder =   to builder and from time to time.   It's hard to determine where to draw the line between "assembler" and "builder", and perhaps it does not matter. The results are far more = important!   As to Keith's question about buying the components and assembling them himself, I'd say that that is certainly a possible approach to home organ building. It would be more expensive than salvaging old chests, actions, and so on, but the results might be more reliable! I'd suggest contacting =   the various suppliers and asking them what they could provide at at what cost. Standardized chests, reservoirs, action and coupler stacks, and so on, will be less expensive than custom-designed components. Who knows, perhaps one of the suppliers has a 'demo' unit that would be available at = a special price. Maybe one of them would be bringing such items to the US for a convention and could then sell the items here at a reduction. Who = knows?   This type of approach could help avoid some of the frustrations that Dave McClellan wrote about recently (though he was talking more about tonal finishing). If your aim is to have a residence pipe organ for your use (practice, small recitals, whatever), then you should be careful not to = get "stuck" in the construction aspects. If you find the constuction aspects fun, then you might want to invest some money for help in the tonal = portion.   Larry Chace    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc. From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:29:36 -0600   Does anyone know the website for Laukoff?   > -----Original Message----- > From: KZimme7737@aol.com [SMTP:KZimme7737@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:58 PM > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Subject: [Residence Organs] Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc. > > List, > > I happened upon the Laukoff website while surfing around on Allan > Ontko's > website. Although it takes a while for the screen to refresh as I have > Adobe > Acrobat read the catalogs, I spent a great deal of time at the site. > There > are at least 9 different catalogs each of which deals with products for > various phases of the pipe organ. I was especially fascinated by the > sections on Flue Pipes, Windchests, and Console Parts. > > I have, also, a 1999 Catalog from O.S.I. that includes a price list. > I'm > assuming that professional organbuilders get a better price than John Q. =   > Hobbiest. Since I have not been able to start on my project yet, I > haven't > ordered anything. > > Question: Who has ordered from OSI and/or Laukauf? How are the = prices. > Do > they sell to nonprofessionals? What kinds of things have your ordered? > _______________________ > > I visited a pipe organ builder a year ago. I was excited as I drove to > his > shop. I confess that I was a little underwhelmed. It was a medium = sized > warehouse with a loading dock in a strip with many other buisinesses. = He > was > in the process of rebuilding an organ. We had a great discussion on = some > possibilities for my future pipe organ. > > After my visit with him and, after reviewing these catalogs, I get the > feeling that - with the exception of a few craftsmen and large > organbuilding > firms - many organ builders do not "build" organs, pipes and all. They > order > pipes partially voiced to their specs, they order windchests according = to > their specs, and they "assemble" the organ from components built > elsewhere. > Their art seems to be in helping the customer design an organ, in their > selection of pipes, their unique style in voicing, etc. > > IOW, I can order the "guts" of a 2 manual/pedal tracker action organ = that > includes keyboards, pedalboard, mechanical action components (including > couplers) from a company. I can then order the windchest and brand new > pipes. Don't forget blower and reservoir. I can then put it together = and > connect the backfalls from the keyboard/coupler assembly to the = pulldowns > under the windchest using stickers and trackers. Maybe I could drum up > enough cabinetmaking ability to build a cabinet. Voila! These brand = new > components would be very expensive, but likely to be less so than having = a > > new pipe organ custom built for me. Surely I'm missing something here. > BTW, > I'M BEING FACETIOUS, SO PLEASE DON'T JUMP ONTO ME ABOUT THIS. > > Anyway, the bottom line is what experience have y'all had with ordering > components from these supply houses? > > Sincerely and facetiously, > Keith Zimmerman, M.D. > Commerce, Georgia > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: URLs From: "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:38:52 -0500   A bit of searching shows some URLs:   http://www.organsupply.com/ (Organ Supply)   http://www.laukhuff.de/ (I always forget how to spell it!)   http://hometown.aol.com/prestant16/prof/index.htm (Tracker Tool Supply)   http://www.pipeorgan.org/ (American Institute of Organ Builders)   http://www.albany.edu/piporg-l/ (scan down for *many* links)   http://www.google.com/ (Not organic but of use when searching!)   Larry Chace    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] URLs From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:43:16 -0600   results from Google are less than optimal when I have mispelled the search subject .......   > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Chace [SMTP:rlc1@etnainstruments.com] > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 8:39 AM > To: Residence Organ List > Subject: [Residence Organs] URLs > > A bit of searching shows some URLs: > > http://www.organsupply.com/ (Organ Supply) > > http://www.laukhuff.de/ (I always forget how to spell it!) > > http://hometown.aol.com/prestant16/prof/index.htm (Tracker Tool Supply) > > http://www.pipeorgan.org/ (American Institute of Organ Builders) > > http://www.albany.edu/piporg-l/ (scan down for *many* links) > > http://www.google.com/ (Not organic but of use when searching!) > > Larry Chace > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc. From: "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:48:48 -0600   Dear List:   Keith Zimmerman MD wrote: >   >Question: Who has ordered from OSI and/or Laukauf? How are the prices. = >Do >they sell to nonprofessionals? What kinds of things have your ordered?   I have ordered from OSI and from Rieger Kloss in the Czech Republic. I = got a catalog from OSI for $10, which was deducted from my first order. The pipes that I got from Rieger Kloss I had to buy through a representative. =   The pipes from Rieger Kloss were about 10% cheaper than those in the OSI catalog.   I tried to get information from Laukhoff, to no avail. I sent them an e-mail asking for a catalog and for a price on one of their organ kits, = the small Regal. That was a month ago and they have yet to answer me. I = don't think they sell to anyone who is not an organbuilder. I wonder how they qualify that, because all of us are organ builders, we're just building = one organ instead of several.   >with the exception of a few craftsmen and large organbuilding >firms - many organ builders do not "build" organs, pipes and all. They >order >pipes partially voiced to their specs, they order windchests according to >their specs, and they "assemble" the organ from components built = elsewhere.   Yes these craftsmen really are doing nothing more than we are doing. Just =   because we don't always buy new pipes, or chests, etc. we are doing everything most organ builders do. We're picking out pipes that will go with our scheme, picking out chests, redesigning piperacks, fitting our organs with electronic relays, winding them, and making it all work, sometimes revoicing pipework. I even built my own windchest, because I couldn't find one that fit the space I wanted it in. Despite the fact = that you say you are being facetious, Dr. Zimmerman, you are really speaking = the truth. I used to think that organ builders made their own pipes, too, but = I have yet to encounter one that did so. At the most they will build the = case and maybe the windchests. The consoles are usually bought, the = organbuilder merely hooks them up. No offense to any of the organbuilders on the list, =   because your work is really an art and the results speak for themselves.       Bart Kleineweber Chicago, IL http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/webpages/kleineweber/ prinzipal8@hotmail.com   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc. From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:02:58 EST     --part1_36.1138a908.27a2f9b2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Organ supply has sold to me without an organ business hook up, the organ = guy down the hill hates it because he does not get a discount over my me. = However he likes buying his auto parts at the same price I do, and I do machine = work for the auto parts stores! I the market OSI has is not as big as it used = to be I suppose, any sale is better then no sale. Of to work. Have fun today. Dennis   --part1_36.1138a908.27a2f9b2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Organ supply has sold = to me without an organ business hook up, the organ guy <BR>down the hill hates it because he does not get a discount over my me. = However <BR>he likes buying his auto parts at the same price I do, and I do = machine work <BR>for the auto parts stores! I the market OSI has is not as big as it = used to <BR>be I suppose, any sale is better then no sale. <BR>Of to work. <BR>Have fun today. <BR>Dennis</FONT></HTML>   --part1_36.1138a908.27a2f9b2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc. From: "Richard Schneider, President" <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:16:57 -0600   Dr. Keith Zimmerman <KZimme7737@aol.com> wrote: > List, > I happened upon the Laukoff Website. . . > I have, also, a 1999 Catalog from O.S.I. that includes a price list. = > Question: Who has ordered from OSI and/or Laukauf? How are the = prices. Considering that there's not all that much "competition", their prices are not so much driven by that kind of concern so much as building a quality product and being able to stay in business in the modern world of real-world overhead!   > Do they sell to nonprofessionals?   Sales only to Organbuilders, in the case of Laukhuff. On a selective basis, OSI will help out people who are building their own residence organs, provided they're not going into competition with organbuilders. Who they do NOT like to hear from are organists wanting to do their own organ repairs because they don't like the price giving for a repair project by a professional builder.   > I visited a pipe organ builder a year ago. I was excited as I drove to = his > shop. I confess that I was a little underwhelmed. It was a medium = sized > warehouse with a loading dock in a strip with many other buisinesses. = He was > in the process of rebuilding an organ. We had a great discussion on = some > possibilities for my future pipe organ.   Most organbuilders are not into "wowing" customers with fancy displays or impressive buildings. None of that adds to the "bottom line", in that most customers rarely, if at all, see a builder's shop. Many of them are, in fact, due to cost considerations, located in large urban city centers where most "desirable" business have long ago fled. This allows them to have a lot of space for practically nothing by comparison to the suburban "tilt-up" strip warehouse centers. > After my visit with him and, after reviewing these catalogs, I get the > feeling that - with the exception of a few craftsmen and large = organbuilding > firms - many organ builders do not "build" organs, pipes and all. They = order > pipes partially voiced to their specs, they order windchests according = to > their specs, and they "assemble" the organ from components built = elsewhere. > Their art seems to be in helping the customer design an organ, in their > selection of pipes, their unique style in voicing, etc.   Depends on the builder. To a greater or lesser extent, all builders use some purchased materials. Organbuilding is so labor-intensive to begin-with that if everything were built by the builder himself, the delivery times would become so unreasonable as to be commercially unacceptable. As it is, upwards of a year or two for an instrument is not unheard-of. I worked on one impressive project about a decade ago with another builder that took 5 years to complete, and the result was well worth the wait! > IOW, I can order the "guts". . . > I'M BEING FACETIOUS, SO PLEASE DON'T JUMP ONTO ME ABOUT THIS.   PLEASE! Don't give anyone else any ideas. Unfortunately, there are many people who have started just the way you have said! Faithfully,   "Grandpa Arp in the Corn Patch" Richard Schneider SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston St. P. O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com Business EMAIL rnjs@bwsys.net Personal EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com Web Page URL    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc. From: "steve c bournias" <chrisbournias@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:52:26 -0500   Dear List...As regards builders of organs assembling organs it is no different from a tonal director assembling an organ "in-house". The man = does not do the actual work. He issues work oreders to various departments. Similarly , the builder who "assembles" the organ can choose which = suppliers to work with whether they are next door or around the world..Regards to all...Steve Bournias   >From: KZimme7737@aol.com >Reply-To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> >To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Subject: [Residence Organs] Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc. >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:58:25 EST > >List, > > I happened upon the Laukoff website while surfing around on Allan >Ontko's >website. Although it takes a while for the screen to refresh as I have >Adobe >Acrobat read the catalogs, I spent a great deal of time at the site. = There >are at least 9 different catalogs each of which deals with products for >various phases of the pipe organ. I was especially fascinated by the >sections on Flue Pipes, Windchests, and Console Parts. > > I have, also, a 1999 Catalog from O.S.I. that includes a price list. = >I'm >assuming that professional organbuilders get a better price than John Q. >Hobbiest. Since I have not been able to start on my project yet, I = haven't >ordered anything. > >Question: Who has ordered from OSI and/or Laukauf? How are the prices. = >Do >they sell to nonprofessionals? What kinds of things have your ordered? >_______________________ > >I visited a pipe organ builder a year ago. I was excited as I drove to = his >shop. I confess that I was a little underwhelmed. It was a medium sized >warehouse with a loading dock in a strip with many other buisinesses. He =   >was >in the process of rebuilding an organ. We had a great discussion on some >possibilities for my future pipe organ. > >After my visit with him and, after reviewing these catalogs, I get the >feeling that - with the exception of a few craftsmen and large >organbuilding >firms - many organ builders do not "build" organs, pipes and all. They >order >pipes partially voiced to their specs, they order windchests according to >their specs, and they "assemble" the organ from components built = elsewhere. >Their art seems to be in helping the customer design an organ, in their >selection of pipes, their unique style in voicing, etc. > >IOW, I can order the "guts" of a 2 manual/pedal tracker action organ that >includes keyboards, pedalboard, mechanical action components (including >couplers) from a company. I can then order the windchest and brand new >pipes. Don't forget blower and reservoir. I can then put it together and >connect the backfalls from the keyboard/coupler assembly to the pulldowns >under the windchest using stickers and trackers. Maybe I could drum up >enough cabinetmaking ability to build a cabinet. Voila! These brand new >components would be very expensive, but likely to be less so than having = a >new pipe organ custom built for me. Surely I'm missing something here. >BTW, >I'M BEING FACETIOUS, SO PLEASE DON'T JUMP ONTO ME ABOUT THIS. > >Anyway, the bottom line is what experience have y'all had with ordering >components from these supply houses? > >Sincerely and facetiously, >Keith Zimmerman, M.D. >Commerce, Georgia > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Laukhuff URL From: <KZimme7737@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:21:55 EST     --part1_6f.104b92f3.27a31a43_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   List,   Here's the URL for Laukuff. As others have posted, they don't sell to amateurs. Nevertheless, for those of us who don't have access to the real =   thing but simply like to look at pictures, I think you will find the = catalogs interesting. You will need Adobe Acrobat. (don't read toooooooooo much = into that!)   Laukhuff Pipe Organ Supplies Catalogues http://www.laukhuff.de/english/kata_e.html   I found the catalog on flue pipes to be helpful in explaining the pipe = scales that we have been discussing. There is a chart that has all the = diameters of the pipes according to scale numbers. I thought about cutting out a zillion circles of the proper diameters to assist me in laying out a windchest (like my grandmother crocheting little squares for an afghan). = I addressed the "scales" question on Piporg-l about two years ago. I = "think" I have a fair understanding of it now. Part of my concept of pipe scales = came from a book I read as a teen (don't remember title). In the pipes catalog =   (as well as the OSI catalog) I find all kinds of scales given for the = pipes. It appears - to me - that the scale given represents the diameter of the = CC (keyboard CC, not 8' C) pipe for that rank. IOW, if one wants a scale 44 Diapason 8', you order it just like that. If you then want a Octave 4' = that is 2 scales smaller, you get a scale 58 octave (would be the same as a 46 scale diapason 8', then the 12th pipe up (TC, or 4' C) would be 46+12=3D58..................I THINK.   Catalog of Flue Pipes http://www.laukhuff.de/kapitel/11.pdf   Sincerely, Keith Zimmerman, M.D.     --part1_6f.104b92f3.27a31a43_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>List, <BR> <BR>Here's the URL for Laukuff. &nbsp;As others have posted, they don't = sell to <BR>amateurs. &nbsp;Nevertheless, for those of us who don't have access to = the real <BR>thing but simply like to look at pictures, I think you will find the = catalogs <BR>interesting. &nbsp;You will need Adobe Acrobat. &nbsp;(don't read = toooooooooo much into <BR>that!) <BR> <BR>Laukhuff Pipe Organ Supplies Catalogues &nbsp; <BR>http://www.laukhuff.de/english/kata_e.html <BR> <BR>I found the catalog on flue pipes to be helpful in explaining the pipe = scales <BR>&nbsp;that we have been discussing. &nbsp;There is a chart that has = all the diameters <BR>of the pipes according to scale numbers. &nbsp;I thought about cutting = out a <BR>zillion circles of the proper diameters to assist me in laying out a <BR>windchest (like my grandmother crocheting little squares for an = afghan). &nbsp;I <BR>addressed the "scales" question on Piporg-l about two years ago. = &nbsp;I "think" I <BR>have a fair understanding of it now. &nbsp;Part of my concept of pipe = scales came <BR>from a book I read as a teen (don't remember title). &nbsp;In the = pipes catalog <BR>(as well as the OSI catalog) I find all kinds of scales given for the = pipes. &nbsp; <BR>It appears - to me - that the scale given represents the diameter of = the CC <BR>(keyboard CC, not 8' C) pipe for that rank. &nbsp;IOW, if one wants a = scale 44 <BR>Diapason 8', you order it just like that. &nbsp;If you then want a = Octave 4' that <BR>is 2 scales smaller, you get a scale 58 octave (would be the same as a = 46 <BR>scale diapason 8', then the 12th pipe up (TC, or 4' C) would be <BR>46+12=3D58..................I THINK. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Catalog of Flue Pipes <BR>http://www.laukhuff.de/kapitel/11.pdf <BR> <BR>Sincerely, <BR>Keith Zimmerman, M.D. <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_6f.104b92f3.27a31a43_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Wood Pipework From: "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:29:23 -0600   Good TGIF to all!   I am going to replace my Swell 8' Gedeckt. It would need to rescaled about 4 pipes and since the rank is not of the best quality, my voicer and = I have decided to replace it. Most used "experienced" wood Gedeckts I have found are not the correct scale, they are for higher pressure, have too = high of a cut up, not the best of quality, etc. So I have about decided I am going to have to purchase a new rank, exactly what I (and my voicer) = want. (Open wide checkbook!)   I am expecting a new 2' Super Octave for my Great that I ordered from Laukhuff. (By the way, I ordered this through a builder friend. He added this to an order he was placing. I help him out every once-in-a-while so = he did me this favor.) The exchange rate is/has been very good.   I know that Bart, as well as others, have ordered new pipework, but think most have ordered new metal ranks. Has anyone ordered wooded pipes that might give me (us) some thoughts on where you purchased them, why they = were chosen, and any other factors that went into your decision?   Thanks for your time. (And did I mention, TGIF!)   Craig Elders  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Laukhuff URL From: "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:33:17 -0800   KZimme7737@aol.com wrote: >... > Here's the URL for Laukuff. ... > Laukhuff Pipe Organ Supplies Catalogues > http://www.laukhuff.de/english/kata_e.html   Karl, can I assume you are using the new AOL version 6.0? Another reason I refuse to upgrade to this "improved" product - the URL as received in my Netscape 4.76 browser is not clickable. I suppose everybody using AOL 6.0 *can* click* on it though - right?   Mac Hayes  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Catalogs - OSI, Laukauf, etc. From: "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:47:44 -0800   "Richard Schneider, President" wrote: > ... Organbuilding is so labor-intensive to > begin-with that if everything were built by the builder himself, the > delivery times would become so unreasonable as to be commercially > unacceptable. As it is, upwards of a year or two for an instrument > is not unheard-of. I worked on one impressive project about a decade > ago with another builder that took 5 years to complete, and the result > was well worth the wait!     I recently came across my father's 5-year diary, covering the years 1937-1941. What most stuck out about his work experience was the long hours he put in, rarely less than 10 hours a day, often going for as long as there was daylight to work with. I don't know to what extent this was driven by being the tail-end of the depression, or simply what everybody did in those days.   This relates to some of the delivery schedules I have read about for Schnitger & Silberman orgels - it seems they often completed large organs in a year or less, back in the 16th century. I wonder if those short production times were more attributable to long work hours, or the lack of electrical complications?   Mac Hayes  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Laukhuff URL From: <KZimme7737@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:02:03 EST     --part1_46.fd27560.27a3780b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   List,   I have aol 6.0 and have had all kinds of vaious problems with my computer ever since I downloaded it. It does have some conveniences, though. It's =   obviously a female!?!   If you haven't tried it, try just clicking on: http://www.laukhuff.de/english/home_e.html and navigating from there.   Thanks, Keith   --part1_46.fd27560.27a3780b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>List, <BR> <BR>I have aol 6.0 and have had all kinds of vaious problems with my = computer <BR>ever since I downloaded it. &nbsp;It does have some conveniences, = though. &nbsp;It's <BR>obviously a female!?! <BR> <BR>If you haven't tried it, try just clicking on: <BR>http://www.laukhuff.de/english/home_e.html = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and navigating from there. <BR> <BR>Thanks, <BR>Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_46.fd27560.27a3780b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] I need an Answer to Question from Reporter From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:51:04 -0600   Daniel, The pedal board (normal pitch 16') extends the organ range downward. The 4'&2' stops extend the range upward. William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person my dog thinks I am. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DanielW Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>; <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] I need an Answer to Question from Reporter     > > I got a question > The reporter asked me a question and I need an answer to it > > the question > WHy is there less keys on a pipe Organ than most reed organs or Pianos? > please answer as soon as possible > thanks > Danielwh > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: 16' Vox Humana From: "Richard Schneider, President" <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 20:47:13 -0600   Robert Pelletier wrote: > A few years back, I toyed with the idea of extending an > 8' vox humana down to 16' for my hausorgel. . . I tried weighing > the tongues on an orphaned 8' vox bottom octave, but the speech became = too > slow and soft in the process. So I decided to make some new > tongues of the proper length.   Dear Robert and List:   A few years back, I did actually "convert" an 8' Vox Humana to 16' for a Residence Organ Pedal stop. It worked tremendously.   It takes more than just longer tongues. The Shallots also have to be replaced in order to have the proper speaking length. Trying to drop an entire octave merely by adding weights is false economy at best.   I had a set of reeds and shallots made up by OSI, but I did the actual curling and fitting of them to the pipes, which were 1920's Moller. Fortunately, the Boots were long enough that it was not any real problem for the boots to accommodate the longer shallots and tongues.   These went to a builder in Albuquerque, NM for a residence organ, and so far as I know, they're still in use today.   Faithfully,   "Grandpa Arp in the Corn Patch" Richard Schneider SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston St. P. O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com Business EMAIL rnjs@bwsys.net Personal EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com Web Page URL    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] URLs From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:44:05 -0500   On all German manufacturing companies, what is the GMBH mean? I've seen = this often and could never figure it out.   Thanks, Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] URLs From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:49:30 -0500   I brought up Laukhuff's website with no problem on OutLook Express.   Rick