DIYAPASON-L Digest #250 - Wednesday, January 31, 2001
 
pipe search
  by "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Ventus blowers VS dust blowers
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  pipe search
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
RE: [Residence Organs]  pipe search
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Ventus blowers VS dust blowers
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] pipe scales
  by "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Org	ans] pi
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence  Org	ans] p
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  pipe scales
  by "Ron Rarick" <ronrarick@mindspring.com>
 

(back) Subject: pipe search From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 04:51:27 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_02DC_01C08B41.786FC5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Just to let you all know that I am making much progress on my home =3D instrument. It was originally going to be 6 ranks and unlike many home =3D organ owners (curators!?) I decided to shrink it down to 4 ranks. I am =3D using just the Wicks 4 ranks chest I started out with years ago. The =3D four ranks will be 16' stopped flute 97 pipes, 8' principal 85 pipes, 8' = =3D dulciana 85 pipes (yes, 2' trebles and all) and a 49 pipe celeste (why =3D can't I have one?!) The stop list will be ever changing but the ranks =3D will be spread over 2 manuals and pedal. I happen to have room for a 13 = =3D note chime set which I got for free, so I will use that too but will not = =3D allow myself any other additions, I have heard too many stories about =3D divorces etc because of organs which take over the house...... :-)   I have all the pipes working but am missing the Principal rank from 2' = =3D up. I have a set of spitzprincipal pipes for the 4' oct right now, but =3D am not sure I want this sound for the whole rank so will probably sell =3D those pipes (11 in all) and obtain 49 - 61 pipes starting at 4'. My =3D chest can fit anything from 3" in diameter at low 4' C. What is the big = =3D problem you ask? I have tried 4 different ranks so far and hated all of = =3D them. I want a prinicpal which will be warm, full but will not blow me =3D off the bench (which is just about under the pipes as it is). I may have = =3D to have these pipes made, but thought I would send this out not only to = =3D give you a progress report but also to ask everyone to look out for me. = =3D Perhaps extending the spitzprin. pipes I have now might be most =3D economical and I do like the sound of them. Not sure if I can match them = =3D easily without having pipes made. If I had 37 more pipes staring at 2' C = =3D I would have a complete working 8' stop. If I replace the whole 4' rank = =3D (49-61 pipes) perhaps a string diapason might work, but I just don't =3D want any gamba like quality in the sound. I have a nice set of 8' bases = =3D already. The chest for all the pipes and stop tab work, I get lots of =3D wind sound,. Perhaps I should call it "wind sound". Yes, I know about =3D the pipes on Ebay and am trying to get more info from seller. Any =3D suggestions will be most welcome. I live in Southwest Wisconsin , 45 min = =3D from Madison. I will update my web site soon, it is really ancient. =3D Glad to hear about all the progress so many of you have made on your own = =3D projects...keep it up !!! I know I have to stick with it because if I =3D give up and sell the whole thing, I'll just build another...it's in the = =3D blood....kind of like a disease!   All the best,   Robert Eversman Mineral Point WI   ------=3D_NextPart_000_02DC_01C08B41.786FC5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Just to let you all know that I am = =3D making much=3D20 progress on my home instrument. It was originally going to be 6 ranks =3D and unlike=3D20 many home organ owners (curators!?) I decided to shrink it down to 4 =3D ranks. I am=3D20 using just the Wicks 4 ranks chest I started out with years ago. The =3D four ranks=3D20 will be 16' stopped flute 97 pipes, 8' principal 85 pipes, 8' dulciana =3D 85 pipes=3D20 (yes, 2' trebles and all) and a 49 pipe celeste (why can't I have one?!) = =3D The=3D20 stop list will be ever changing but the ranks will be spread over 2 =3D manuals and=3D20 pedal. I happen to have room for a 13 note chime set which I got for =3D free, so I=3D20 will use that too but will not allow myself any other additions, I have = =3D heard=3D20 too many stories about divorces etc because of organs which take over =3D the=3D20 house...... :-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have all the pipes working&nbsp; = but =3D am missing=3D20 the Principal rank from 2' up. I have a set of spitzprincipal pipes for = =3D the 4'=3D20 oct right now, but am not sure I want this sound for the whole rank so =3D will=3D20 probably sell those pipes (11 in all) and obtain 49 - 61 pipes starting = =3D at 4'.=3D20 My chest can fit anything from 3" in diameter at low 4' C. What is the =3D big=3D20 problem you ask? I have tried 4 different ranks so far and hated all of = =3D them. I=3D20 want a prinicpal which will be warm, full but will not blow me off the =3D bench=3D20 (which is just about under the pipes as it is). I may have to have these = =3D pipes=3D20 made, but thought I would send this out not only to give you a progress = =3D report=3D20 but also to ask everyone to look out for me. Perhaps extending the =3D spitzprin.=3D20 pipes I have now might be most economical and I do like the sound of =3D them. Not=3D20 sure if I can match them easily without having pipes made. If I had 37 =3D more=3D20 pipes staring at 2' C I would have a complete working 8' stop. If I =3D replace the=3D20 whole 4' rank (49-61 pipes) perhaps a string diapason might work, but I = =3D just=3D20 don't want any gamba like quality in the sound. I have a nice set of 8' = =3D bases=3D20 already. The chest for all the pipes and stop tab work, I get lots of =3D wind=3D20 sound,. Perhaps I should call it "wind sound".&nbsp; Yes, I know about =3D the pipes=3D20 on Ebay and am trying to get more info from seller. Any suggestions will = =3D be most=3D20 welcome. I live in Southwest Wisconsin , 45 min from Madison. I will =3D update my=3D20 web site soon, it is really ancient.&nbsp; Glad to hear about all the =3D progress=3D20 so many of you have made on your own projects...keep it up !!!&nbsp; I =3D know I=3D20 have to stick with it because if I give up and sell the whole thing, =3D I'll just=3D20 build another...it's in the blood....kind of like a =3D disease!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>All the best,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Robert Eversman</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Mineral Point =3D WI</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_02DC_01C08B41.786FC5A0--    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Ventus blowers VS dust blowers From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:20:39 -0500   At 5:39 PM -0600 1/30/01, Richard Schneider, President wrote: >homer valenzona wrote: > > > Greetings: > > > What makes ventus blowers so quite? > >It's a combination of many factors: Impeller design, Carefully wound >motors, and above all: BALANCE of all of the parts as a complete >assembly. >   I fully agree with Rich's statements. Another factor I'm aware of in using "generic" blowers is that one needs to be careful on what purpose they are designed for. The fans in organ blowers are designed so that the motor load drops as the wind is restricted at the outlet. Some other blowers continue to increase the WP at the outlet, as it is restricted, until the motor becomes overloaded if there is too little air flow allowed to exit. The opposite is true at least on the Spencer blowers such as I have. These blowers if allowed to run full tilt without a restriction on the outlet will greatly overload the motor. I know, as after I had mine connected, I ran it wide open for a very short period to blow out any foreign matter in the lines. At this point, using an ammeter, the motor drew about twice the normal full load current and one could tell it was working hard. I do have a motor starter on it but it didn't trip running it for the short time.   Just my $.02 worth.   Eric Sagmuller    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] pipe search From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:26:21 -0500   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1231174914=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ; format=3D"flowed"   At 4:51 AM -0600 1/31/01, Robert Eversman wrote:   >...keep it up !!! I know I have to stick with it because if I give >up and sell the whole thing, I'll just build another...it's in the >blood....kind of like a disease! >   I know the feeling. It seems to just keep on growing. At least in my case I feel it's an addiction. Just call me an Orgaholic!   Eric Sagmuller   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1231174914=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=3D"us-ascii"   At 4:51 AM -0600 1/31/01, Robert Eversman wrote:     <excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>...keep it up !!! I know I have to stick with it because if I give up and sell the whole thing, I'll just build another...it's in the blood....kind of like a disease!     </smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>   I know the feeling. It seems to just keep on growing. At least in my case I feel it's an addiction. Just call me an Orgaholic!     Eric Sagmuller </smaller></fontfamily>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1231174914=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] pipe search From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:00:23 -0600   I would recommend taking a look at the Wicks website and also look at http://www.geocities.com/louisvilorgans/WPO/chests.html-----Original     which is the Weber Pipe Organs parts for sale page.They have some odds and ends for sale from time to time.I have a similar problem with my project.I have various octaves that need to be replaced and some missing = or damaged pipes.I looked at some of the pipes for sale on E-bay...I think = the bids are getting too high...add shipping costs to that...   > Message----- > From: Robert Eversman [SMTP:highnote@mhtc.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 4:51 AM > To: Residence Organ List > Subject: [Residence Organs] pipe search > > Just to let you all know that I am making much progress on my home > instrument. It was originally going to be 6 ranks and unlike many home > organ owners (curators!?) I decided to shrink it down to 4 ranks. I am > using just the Wicks 4 ranks chest I started out with years ago. The = four > ranks will be 16' stopped flute 97 pipes, 8' principal 85 pipes, 8' > dulciana 85 pipes (yes, 2' trebles and all) and a 49 pipe celeste (why > can't I have one?!) The stop list will be ever changing but the ranks = will > be spread over 2 manuals and pedal. I happen to have room for a 13 note > chime set which I got for free, so I will use that too but will not = allow > myself any other additions, I have heard too many stories about divorces > etc because of organs which take over the house...... :-) > > I have all the pipes working but am missing the Principal rank from 2' > up. I have a set of spitzprincipal pipes for the 4' oct right now, but = am > not sure I want this sound for the whole rank so will probably sell = those > pipes (11 in all) and obtain 49 - 61 pipes starting at 4'. My chest can > fit anything from 3" in diameter at low 4' C. What is the big problem = you > ask? I have tried 4 different ranks so far and hated all of them. I want = a > prinicpal which will be warm, full but will not blow me off the bench > (which is just about under the pipes as it is). I may have to have these > pipes made, but thought I would send this out not only to give you a > progress report but also to ask everyone to look out for me. Perhaps > extending the spitzprin. pipes I have now might be most economical and I > do like the sound of them. Not sure if I can match them easily without > having pipes made. If I had 37 more pipes staring at 2' C I would have a > complete working 8' stop. If I replace the whole 4' rank (49-61 pipes) > perhaps a string diapason might work, but I just don't want any gamba = like > quality in the sound. I have a nice set of 8' bases already. The chest = for > all the pipes and stop tab work, I get lots of wind sound,. Perhaps I > should call it "wind sound". Yes, I know about the pipes on Ebay and am > trying to get more info from seller. Any suggestions will be most = welcome. > I live in Southwest Wisconsin , 45 min from Madison. I will update my = web > site soon, it is really ancient. Glad to hear about all the progress so > many of you have made on your own projects...keep it up !!! I know I = have > to stick with it because if I give up and sell the whole thing, I'll = just > build another...it's in the blood....kind of like a disease! > > All the best, > > Robert Eversman > Mineral Point WI  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Ventus blowers VS dust blowers From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:54:58 EST     --part1_64.acda33b.27a98f52_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hello all, I have one of the brand X blowers, it did vibrate when on the floor. I put a rubber mat under it and that helped some. I removed the impeller and the shaft and took it the local speed shop and had them rebalance it, I can do this now since I bought a balancer to balance the crankshaft's I am making, any who it does not shake any more. It is a = little noisy but some careful insulating and it is not audible up stairs. I used this type for lack of space. When finished I will have 36 ranks playing = and a blower that would handle that would not fit under the stare well. I could have planned it better but the room was built for an electric organ CHRINDGE.The pipe project came along after the room was built. I put the blower under the stare well that is my office in the shop. I was afraid of = to much dust getting in to the organ soooooo I found a very large truck air filter to put over the inlet on the blower. One of the organ builders came = by and saw the filter and thought was a good idea, he has a few churches that =   the blower is in a very place and has had problems with dirt and dust in = the pipes. Well, off to camp crankshaft. Have fun today and tomorrow. Dennis   --part1_64.acda33b.27a98f52_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hello all, I have one = of the brand X blowers, it did vibrate when on the <BR>floor. I put a rubber mat under it and that helped some. I removed the =   <BR>impeller and the shaft and took it the local speed shop and had them <BR>rebalance it, I can do this now since I bought a balancer to balance = the <BR>crankshaft's I am making, any who it does not shake any more. It is a = little <BR>noisy but some careful insulating and it is not audible up stairs. I = used <BR>this type for lack of space. When finished I will have 36 ranks = playing and a <BR>blower that would handle that would not fit under the stare well. I = could <BR>have &nbsp;planned it better but the room was built for an electric = organ <BR>CHRINDGE.The pipe project came along after the room was built. I put = the <BR>blower under the stare well that is my office in the shop. I was = afraid of to <BR>much dust getting in to the organ soooooo I found a very large truck = air <BR>filter to put over the inlet on the blower. One of the organ builders = came by <BR>and saw the filter and thought was a good idea, he has a few churches = that <BR>the blower is in a very place and has had problems with dirt and dust = in the <BR>pipes. <BR>Well, off to camp crankshaft. <BR>Have fun today and tomorrow. <BR>Dennis</FONT></HTML>   --part1_64.acda33b.27a98f52_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] pipe scales From: "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:33:19 -0600   I'm not sure what you are asking in this question, but here goes: 16' C =3D C below low C 8' C =3D Low C 4' C =3D Tenor C 2' C =3D Middle C 1' C =3D C above middle C 1/2' C =3D High C     >What is the correct terminology used to describe the various octaves and >the >pipes of the various octaves in a rank of pipes? >     Bart Kleineweber Chicago, IL http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/webpages/kleineweber/ prinzipal8@hotmail.com   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Org ans] pipe scales From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:44:27 -0600   Thanks for the info....I am trying to understand how to properly describe individual notes within various octaves of a rank of pipes.As I am = searching for replacement pipes , I want to make sure I describe the ones I am = missing correctly.IOW, if I am missing the D# in the octave above the 1 ft octave = of a 4 ft rank, that would be D# of the 1/2 octave....(?) since the ocatves = of a 4 ft rank are 4ft, 2 ft, 1 ft and 1/2 ft...is this correct? or am I way off base?   > -----Original Message----- > From: Bart Kleineweber [SMTP:prinzipal8@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:33 PM > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence > Organs] pipe scales > > I'm not sure what you are asking in this question, but here goes: > 16' C =3D C below low C > 8' C =3D Low C > 4' C =3D Tenor C > 2' C =3D Middle C > 1' C =3D C above middle C > 1/2' C =3D High C > > > >What is the correct terminology used to describe the various octaves = and > >the > >pipes of the various octaves in a rank of pipes? > > > > > Bart Kleineweber > Chicago, IL > http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/webpages/kleineweber/ > prinzipal8@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Org ans] pipe scales From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:02:23 -0500   I may be wrong but I think I would tend to state it this way. Example: Assuming the 4' rank has 61 pipes then the first pipe would be C1 and the last pipe would be C61. C13 would be the second "C" in the rank and at the 2' pitch in this case, but I don't think the pitch needs to be mentioned as long as it's initially stated that it's a 4' rank or whatever.   Any other ideas out there?   Eric     At 2:44 PM -0600 1/31/01, STEVE PITTS wrote: >Thanks for the info....I am trying to understand how to properly describe >individual notes within various octaves of a rank of pipes.As I am = searching >for replacement pipes , I want to make sure I describe the ones I am = missing >correctly.IOW, if I am missing the D# in the octave above the 1 ft octave = of >a 4 ft rank, that would be D# of the 1/2 octave....(?) since the ocatves = of >a 4 ft rank are 4ft, 2 ft, 1 ft and 1/2 ft...is this correct? or am I way >off base?    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] pipe scales From: "Ron Rarick" <ronrarick@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:29:11 -0500   Professional organ builders (I used to be one ages ago) try to avoid words altogether because of misinterpretations. This is the process:   1. Identify the rank by pitch level: 16' Montre, 4' Rohrshalmei, whatever   2. Give the note number from bottom C of that rank. Middle C is thus #25, the G above it #32, the E above that #41, etc. This is how the pipes themselves are (in my experience) stamped or otherwise marked.   After you use the system a little while, it becomes second nature. As an organ tuner I LOVED people who could leave me a clear message: "Gt Trump #19 flat." Simple, direct, unambiguous.   Ron Rarick Muncie Indiana   >>....I am trying to understand how to properly describe > >individual notes within various octaves of a rank of pipes.As I am searching > >for replacement pipes , I want to make sure I describe the ones I am missing > >correctly.