DIYAPASON-L Digest #355 - Friday, July 27, 2001
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "Randy Newman" <rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "Fr. Larry Covington" <larry.covington@St-Louis.org>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "Fr. Larry Covington" <larry.covington@St-Louis.org>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Pouch boards
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
RE: 32' Resultants
  by "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu>
[Residence Organs]  Greetings!
  by "Tim Stoel" <timstoel@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "Randy Newman" <rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:56:57 -0400 (EDT)           randall,   what about the larger pipes? are you planning on using a primary to exhaust the pouch? if would think that if you didn't you might have speech problems since the pouches may not being able to open quick enough for proper speech. i know that on my friends moller artiste which has no primary valves, they used 2 magnets per note on the larger pipes in order to exhaust more air. seems to work alright.       -randall (also)           On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 Mpmollerorgan@aol.com wrote:   > I thought I would detail what I came up with for retaining the original > Moller pouchboards yet using them on new unit chests. > > The original pouchboards used to exahust up through the toeboard = channels and > then on through the torturous pitman chest and all that to the magnets. = the > pouch boards of course have the horizontal holes drilled thru one side = of the > board into the wells that make up the pouches, and then a vertical hole = was > drilled up thru the face of the board through the horizontal holes, and = it > was the vertical hole that carried the wind up to/through the channel = boards. > Moller brown taped the edges of the boards and the top edge to cover the > starting points for the vertical and the horizontal holes. > What I came up with is removing the brown paper on the edge, sealing the > vertical holes on top, and then insert a 1-1/2" x 5/16" brass tube = nipple > into the horizontal holes to the pouches. > Then 5/16" ID neoprene hose slips over the brass nipple, and runs about = 6 to > 8" over to the side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each note = and > magnets running along both long sides of the chests) > The oval magnet holes are all drilled on the mill, and the 3/8" exhaust > holes below them are also drilled. I will be inserting 1-1/2" x 3/8 OD > aluminum tube as a nipple into those holes, and the neoprene hose can be > stretched over them. > I'm using aluminum for that size only because the brass that diameter is > about twice the cost! > I found a great place on the web to order the tubing, small quantities = no > minimum order, and for now ordered 8' of each for about $44 with the = shipping > > The system should work well. The magnets will have a common copper = ground > wire, one per rank which will go to a relay one per rank, and the relay = will > be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the stop tabs will = close the > ground via a relay for each rank. > I won't be "borrowing" from 8' ranks to get pseudo 4' stops as it was = done > originally, I really don't like those shortcuts. I will have an = independant > 4' rank on the great. > > > The drawback was having to get a chest magnet for every pipe, but the > simplicity of the chests, and that I can lift and work on any of them = with > ease, and that the bottom boards and toeboards all come off to leave = just the > shell which I can work on is nice. > As a bonus I supose, it's much easier to be able to flip the chests over = to > install the magnets and wiring, soldering etc due to how I designed and > built them 3 years ago! They have been sitting 3 years waiting for the = work > I'm doing now on them and I'm glad I don't have to lay on my back to = solder > magnets in!! > > > > > Randall > http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/ > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:56:29 -0500   --=3D_FCA6AB53.006006FF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Hey Guys=3D20 here is a question for anyone , is there any way to wire a 16 ft Stopped = =3D flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it might be possible = =3D , is there any truth to what I have herd=3D20   thanks john C   >>> rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu 07/27/01 09:56AM >>>=3D20         randall,=3D20   what about the larger pipes? are you planning on using a primary to=3D20 exhaust the pouch? if would think that if you didn't you might have =3D speech=3D20 problems since the pouches may not being able to open quick enough = for=3D20 proper speech. i know that on my friends moller artiste which has no=3D20 primary valves, they used 2 magnets per note on the larger pipes in =3D order=3D20 to exhaust more air. seems to work alright.=3D20       -randall (also)=3D20           On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 Mpmollerorgan@aol.com wrote:=3D20   > I thought I would detail what I came up with for retaining the =3D original=3D20 > Moller pouchboards yet using them on new unit chests.=3D20 >=3D20 > The original pouchboards used to exahust up through the toeboard =3D channels and=3D20 > then on through the torturous pitman chest and all that to the magnets. = =3D the=3D20 > pouch boards of course have the horizontal holes drilled thru one side = =3D of the=3D20 > board into the wells that make up the pouches, and then a vertical hole = =3D was=3D20 > drilled up thru the face of the board through the horizontal holes, and = =3D it=3D20 > was the vertical hole that carried the wind up to/through the channel = =3D boards.=3D20 > Moller brown taped the edges of the boards and the top edge to cover =3D the=3D20 > starting points for the vertical and the horizontal holes.=3D20 > What I came up with is removing the brown paper on the edge, sealing =3D the=3D20 > vertical holes on top, and then insert a 1-1/2" x 5/16" brass tube =3D nipple=3D20 > into the horizontal holes to the pouches.=3D20 > Then 5/16" ID neoprene hose slips over the brass nipple, and runs about = =3D 6 to=3D20 > 8" over to the side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each note = =3D and=3D20 > magnets running along both long sides of the chests)=3D20 > The oval magnet holes are all drilled on the mill, and the 3/8" =3D exhaust=3D20 > holes below them are also drilled. I will be inserting 1-1/2" x 3/8 =3D OD=3D20 > aluminum tube as a nipple into those holes, and the neoprene hose can = =3D be=3D20 > stretched over them.=3D20 > I'm using aluminum for that size only because the brass that diameter = =3D is=3D20 > about twice the cost!=3D20 > I found a great place on the web to order the tubing, small quantities = =3D no=3D20 > minimum order, and for now ordered 8' of each for about $44 with the =3D shipping=3D20 >=3D20 > The system should work well. The magnets will have a common copper =3D ground=3D20 > wire, one per rank which will go to a relay one per rank, and the relay = =3D will=3D20 > be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the stop tabs will =3D close the=3D20 > ground via a relay for each rank.=3D20 > I won't be "borrowing" from 8' ranks to get pseudo 4' stops as it was = =3D done=3D20 > originally, I really don't like those shortcuts. I will have an =3D independant=3D20 > 4' rank on the great.=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 > The drawback was having to get a chest magnet for every pipe, but = the=3D20 > simplicity of the chests, and that I can lift and work on any of them = =3D with=3D20 > ease, and that the bottom boards and toeboards all come off to leave =3D just the=3D20 > shell which I can work on is nice.=3D20 > As a bonus I supose, it's much easier to be able to flip the chests over = =3D to=3D20 > install the magnets and wiring, soldering etc due to how I designed =3D and=3D20 > built them 3 years ago! They have been sitting 3 years waiting for the = =3D work=3D20 > I'm doing now on them and I'm glad I don't have to lay on my back to =3D solder=3D20 > magnets in!!=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 > Randall=3D20 > http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/=3D20 >=3D20 > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 > Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=3D20 > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=3D20 >=3D20     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=3D20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=3D20   --=3D_FCA6AB53.006006FF Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type=3D > <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT: 8pt MS Sans Serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: = =3D 2px"> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>Hey Guys </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>here is a question for anyone , is there any way to = =3D wire a 16=3D20 ft Stopped flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it might = =3D be=3D20 possible , is there any truth to what I have herd </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>thanks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>john C</FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu">rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.e= du=3D </A>=3D20 07/27/01 09:56AM &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>randall, <BR><BR>what = =3D about=3D20 the larger pipes? are you planning on using a primary to <BR>exhaust the = =3D pouch?=3D20 if would think that if you didn't you might have speech <BR>problems since = =3D the=3D20 pouches may not being able to open quick enough for <BR>proper speech. i = =3D know=3D20 that on my friends moller artiste which has no <BR>primary valves, they = =3D used 2=3D20 magnets per note on the larger pipes in order <BR>to exhaust more air. =3D seems to=3D20 work alright. <BR><BR><BR><BR>-randall (also) <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On = =3D Thu, 26=3D20 Jul 2001 <U><A = href=3D3D"mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com">Mpmollerorgan@aol.com<=3D /A></U>=3D20 wrote: <BR><BR>&gt; I thought I would detail what I came up with for =3D retaining=3D20 the original <BR>&gt; Moller pouchboards yet using them on new unit =3D chests.=3D20 <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; The original pouchboards used to exahust up through =3D the=3D20 toeboard channels and <BR>&gt; then on through the torturous pitman chest = =3D and=3D20 all that to the magnets. the <BR>&gt; pouch boards of course have the =3D horizontal=3D20 holes drilled thru one side of the <BR>&gt; board into the wells that make = =3D up=3D20 the pouches, and then a vertical hole was <BR>&gt; drilled up thru the =3D face of=3D20 the board through the horizontal holes, and it <BR>&gt; was the vertical = =3D hole=3D20 that carried the wind up to/through the channel boards. <BR>&gt; Moller = =3D brown=3D20 taped the edges of the boards and the top edge to cover the <BR>&gt; =3D starting=3D20 points for the vertical and the horizontal holes. <BR>&gt; What I came up = =3D with=3D20 is removing the brown paper on the edge, sealing the <BR>&gt; vertical =3D holes on=3D20 top, and then insert a 1-1/2&quot; x 5/16&quot; brass tube nipple <BR>&gt; = =3D into=3D20 the horizontal holes to the pouches. <BR>&gt; Then 5/16&quot; ID neoprene = =3D hose=3D20 slips over the brass nipple, and runs about 6 to <BR>&gt; 8&quot; over to = =3D the=3D20 side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each note and <BR>&gt; =3D magnets=3D20 running along both long sides of the chests) <BR>&gt; The oval magnet =3D holes are=3D20 all drilled on the mill, and the 3/8&quot; exhaust <BR>&gt; holes below = =3D them are=3D20 also drilled. I will be inserting 1-1/2&quot; x 3/8 OD <BR>&gt; aluminum = =3D tube as=3D20 a nipple into those holes, and the neoprene hose can be <BR>&gt; stretched = =3D over=3D20 them. <BR>&gt; I'm using aluminum for that size only because the brass =3D that=3D20 diameter is <BR>&gt; about twice the cost! <BR>&gt; I found a great place = =3D on the=3D20 web to order the tubing, small quantities no <BR>&gt; minimum order, and = =3D for now=3D20 ordered 8' of each for about $44 with the shipping <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; The =3D system=3D20 should work well. The magnets will have a common copper ground <BR>&gt; = =3D wire,=3D20 one per rank which will go to a relay one per rank, and the relay will =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the stop tabs will close = =3D the=3D20 <BR>&gt; ground via a relay for each rank. <BR>&gt; I won't be=3D20 &quot;borrowing&quot; from 8' ranks to get pseudo 4' stops as it was =3D done=3D20 <BR>&gt; originally, I really don't like those shortcuts. I will have =3D an=3D20 independant <BR>&gt; 4' rank on the great. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =3D The=3D20 drawback was having to get a chest magnet for every pipe, but the =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 simplicity of the chests, and that I can lift and work on any of them =3D with=3D20 <BR>&gt; ease, and that the bottom boards and toeboards all come off to = =3D leave=3D20 just the <BR>&gt; shell which I can work on is nice. <BR>&gt; As a bonus = =3D I=3D20 supose, it's much easier to be able to flip the chests over to <BR>&gt; = =3D install=3D20 the magnets and wiring, soldering etc due to how I designed and <BR>&gt; = =3D built=3D20 them 3 years ago! They have been sitting 3 years waiting for the work =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 I'm doing now on them and I'm glad I don't have to lay on my back to =3D solder=3D20 <BR>&gt; magnets in!! <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =3D Randall=3D20 <BR>&gt; <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/">http://members.aol.com/mpm= ol=3D lerorgan/</A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders = =3D of=3D20 their own <BR>&gt; Residence Pipe Organs. <BR>&gt; HOMEPAGE : <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt; List: <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt; Administration: <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt; <BR><BR><BR>DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and =3D builders of=3D20 their own <BR>Residence Pipe Organs. <BR>HOMEPAGE : <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A></U>=3D20 <BR>List: <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 <BR>Administration: <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A></U>=3D20 <BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>   --=3D_FCA6AB53.006006FF--  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "Fr. Larry Covington" <larry.covington@St-Louis.org> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:00:20 -0500   Jon,   The low octave can be wired to play a fifth above which provides the harmonics of the 32' series. Easily done with a switch.   Larry Covington   > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Calvo [SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us] > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:56 AM > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards > > Hey Guys > here is a question for anyone , is there any way to wire a 16 ft Stopped > flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it might be = possible > , is there any truth to what I have herd > > thanks > john C > > >>> rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu <mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu> > 07/27/01 09:56AM >>> > > > > > randall, > > what about the larger pipes? are you planning on using a primary to > exhaust the pouch? if would think that if you didn't you might have = speech > > problems since the pouches may not being able to open quick enough for > proper speech. i know that on my friends moller artiste which has no > primary valves, they used 2 magnets per note on the larger pipes in = order > to exhaust more air. seems to work alright. > > > > -randall (also) > > > > > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 Mpmollerorgan@aol.com <mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> > wrote: > > > I thought I would detail what I came up with for retaining the = original > > Moller pouchboards yet using them on new unit chests. > > > > The original pouchboards used to exahust up through the toeboard > channels and > > then on through the torturous pitman chest and all that to the = magnets. > the > > pouch boards of course have the horizontal holes drilled thru one side > of the > > board into the wells that make up the pouches, and then a vertical = hole > was > > drilled up thru the face of the board through the horizontal holes, = and > it > > was the vertical hole that carried the wind up to/through the channel > boards. > > Moller brown taped the edges of the boards and the top edge to cover = the > > > starting points for the vertical and the horizontal holes. > > What I came up with is removing the brown paper on the edge, sealing = the > > > vertical holes on top, and then insert a 1-1/2" x 5/16" brass tube > nipple > > into the horizontal holes to the pouches. > > Then 5/16" ID neoprene hose slips over the brass nipple, and runs = about > 6 to > > 8" over to the side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each note > and > > magnets running along both long sides of the chests) > > The oval magnet holes are all drilled on the mill, and the 3/8" = exhaust > > holes below them are also drilled. I will be inserting 1-1/2" x 3/8 OD =   > > aluminum tube as a nipple into those holes, and the neoprene hose can = be > > > stretched over them. > > I'm using aluminum for that size only because the brass that diameter = is > > > about twice the cost! > > I found a great place on the web to order the tubing, small quantities > no > > minimum order, and for now ordered 8' of each for about $44 with the > shipping > > > > The system should work well. The magnets will have a common copper > ground > > wire, one per rank which will go to a relay one per rank, and the = relay > will > > be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the stop tabs will > close the > > ground via a relay for each rank. > > I won't be "borrowing" from 8' ranks to get pseudo 4' stops as it was > done > > originally, I really don't like those shortcuts. I will have an > independant > > 4' rank on the great. > > > > > > The drawback was having to get a chest magnet for every pipe, but the > > simplicity of the chests, and that I can lift and work on any of them > with > > ease, and that the bottom boards and toeboards all come off to leave > just the > > shell which I can work on is nice. > > As a bonus I supose, it's much easier to be able to flip the chests = over > to > > install the magnets and wiring, soldering etc due to how I designed = and > > built them 3 years ago! They have been sitting 3 years waiting for the > work > > I'm doing now on them and I'm glad I don't have to lay on my back to > solder > > magnets in!! > > > > > > > > > > Randall > > <http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/> > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > > Residence Pipe Organs. > > HOMEPAGE : <http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/> > > List: <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > > Administration: <mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org> > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : <http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/> > List: <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > Administration: <mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org> > >  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:13:10 -0500   --=3D_A9F3FE3A.0C6C0ACF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Larry=3D20 do you mean just a regular OSI stop switch , have you seen any of these 32 = =3D ft done and how effective are they ???   jc   >>> larry.covington@St-Louis.org 07/27/01 12:00PM >>>=3D20 Jon,=3D20   The low octave can be wired to play a fifth above which provides the=3D20 harmonics of the 32' series. Easily done with a switch.=3D20   Larry Covington=3D20   > -----Original Message-----=3D20 > From:Jon Calvo [ SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]=3D20 > Sent:Friday, July 27, 2001 11:56 AM=3D20 > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 > Subject:Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards=3D20 >=3D20 > Hey Guys=3D20 > here is a question for anyone , is there any way to wire a 16 ft =3D Stopped=3D20 > flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it might be =3D possible=3D20 > , is there any truth to what I have herd=3D20 >=3D20 > thanks=3D20 > john C=3D20 >=3D20 > >>> rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu < mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu = =3D >=3D20 > 07/27/01 09:56AM >>>=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 > randall,=3D20 >=3D20 > what about the larger pipes? are you planning on using a primary to=3D20 > exhaust the pouch? if would think that if you didn't you might have =3D speech=3D20 >=3D20 > problems since the pouches may not being able to open quick enough =3D for=3D20 > proper speech. i know that on my friends moller artiste which has = no=3D20 > primary valves, they used 2 magnets per note on the larger pipes in =3D order=3D20 > to exhaust more air. seems to work alright.=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 > -randall (also)=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 Mpmollerorgan@aol.com < mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com = =3D >=3D20 > wrote:=3D20 >=3D20 > > I thought I would detail what I came up with for retaining the =3D original=3D20 > > Moller pouchboards yet using them on new unit chests.=3D20 > >=3D20 > > The original pouchboards used to exahust up through the toeboard=3D20 > channels and=3D20 > > then on through the torturous pitman chest and all that to the =3D magnets.=3D20 > the=3D20 > > pouch boards of course have the horizontal holes drilled thru one =3D side=3D20 > of the=3D20 > > board into the wells that make up the pouches, and then a vertical =3D hole=3D20 > was=3D20 > > drilled up thru the face of the board through the horizontal holes, = =3D and=3D20 > it=3D20 > > was the vertical hole that carried the wind up to/through the =3D channel=3D20 > boards.=3D20 > > Moller brown taped the edges of the boards and the top edge to cover = =3D the=3D20 >=3D20 > > starting points for the vertical and the horizontal holes.=3D20 > > What I came up with is removing the brown paper on the edge, sealing = =3D the=3D20 >=3D20 > > vertical holes on top, and then insert a 1-1/2" x 5/16" brass = tube=3D20 > nipple=3D20 > > into the horizontal holes to the pouches.=3D20 > > Then 5/16" ID neoprene hose slips over the brass nipple, and runs =3D about=3D20 > 6 to=3D20 > > 8" over to the side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each =3D note=3D20 > and=3D20 > > magnets running along both long sides of the chests)=3D20 > > The oval magnet holes are all drilled on the mill, and the 3/8" =3D exhaust=3D20 > > holes below them are also drilled. I will be inserting 1-1/2" x 3/8 = =3D OD=3D20 > > aluminum tube as a nipple into those holes, and the neoprene hose can = =3D be=3D20 >=3D20 > > stretched over them.=3D20 > > I'm using aluminum for that size only because the brass that diameter = =3D is=3D20 >=3D20 > > about twice the cost!=3D20 > > I found a great place on the web to order the tubing, small = quantities=3D =3D20 > no=3D20 > > minimum order, and for now ordered 8' of each for about $44 with =3D the=3D20 > shipping=3D20 > >=3D20 > > The system should work well. The magnets will have a common = copper=3D20 > ground=3D20 > > wire, one per rank which will go to a relay one per rank, and the =3D relay=3D20 > will=3D20 > > be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the stop tabs = will=3D20 > close the=3D20 > > ground via a relay for each rank.=3D20 > > I won't be "borrowing" from 8' ranks to get pseudo 4' stops as it =3D was=3D20 > done=3D20 > > originally, I really don't like those shortcuts. I will have an=3D20 > independant=3D20 > > 4' rank on the great.=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > The drawback was having to get a chest magnet for every pipe, but =3D the=3D20 > > simplicity of the chests, and that I can lift and work on any of =3D them=3D20 > with=3D20 > > ease, and that the bottom boards and toeboards all come off to =3D leave=3D20 > just the=3D20 > > shell which I can work on is nice.=3D20 > > As a bonus I supose, it's much easier to be able to flip the chests = =3D over=3D20 > to=3D20 > > install the magnets and wiring, soldering etc due to how I designed = =3D and=3D20 > > built them 3 years ago! They have been sitting 3 years waiting for =3D the=3D20 > work=3D20 > > I'm doing now on them and I'm glad I don't have to lay on my back =3D to=3D20 > solder=3D20 > > magnets in!!=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > Randall=3D20 > > < http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/ >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their = own=3D20 > > Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 > > HOMEPAGE : < http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/ >=3D20 > > List: < mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >=3D20 > > Administration: < mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >=3D20 > >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20 > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 > Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 > HOMEPAGE : < http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/ >=3D20 > List: < mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >=3D20 > Administration: < mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=3D20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=3D20   --=3D_A9F3FE3A.0C6C0ACF Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type=3D > <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT: 8pt MS Sans Serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: = =3D 2px"> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>Larry </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>do you mean just a regular OSI stop switch , have = you =3D seen any=3D20 of these 32 ft done and how effective are they ???</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>jc</FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:larry.covington@St-Louis.org">larry.covington@St-Louis.org= </=3D A>=3D20 07/27/01 12:00PM &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>Jon, <BR><BR>The low octave can be wired = =3D to=3D20 play a fifth above which provides the <BR>harmonics of the 32' series. =3D Easily=3D20 done with a switch. <BR><BR>Larry Covington <BR><BR>&gt; = -----Original=3D20 Message----- <BR>&gt; From:Jon Calvo [<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]">SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.u= s]=3D </A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt; Sent:Friday, July 27, 2001 11:56 AM <BR>&gt; To:<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</A></U>= =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 Subject:Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hey Guys =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 here is a question for anyone , is there any way to wire a 16 ft = Stopped=3D20=3D   <BR>&gt; flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it might =3D be=3D20 possible <BR>&gt; , is there any truth to what I have herd <BR>&gt; =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 thanks <BR>&gt; john C <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu">rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.e= du=3D </A></U>=3D20 &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu">mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.ru= tg=3D ers.edu</A></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; 07/27/01 09:56AM &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; randall, <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; what about the larger pipes? are =3D you=3D20 planning on using a primary to <BR>&gt; exhaust the pouch? if would think = =3D that=3D20 if you didn't you might have speech <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; problems since the =3D pouches=3D20 may not being able to open quick enough for <BR>&gt; proper speech. i know = =3D that=3D20 on my friends moller artiste which has no <BR>&gt; primary valves, they = =3D used 2=3D20 magnets per note on the larger pipes in order <BR>&gt; to exhaust more =3D air.=3D20 seems to work alright. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; -randall =3D (also)=3D20 <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 = =3D <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com">Mpmollerorgan@aol.com</A></U> =3D &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com">mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com</A></U= > =3D &gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; wrote: <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; I thought I would detail what I =3D came up=3D20 with for retaining the original <BR>&gt; &gt; Moller pouchboards yet using = =3D them=3D20 on new unit chests. <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; The original pouchboards = =3D used to=3D20 exahust up through the toeboard <BR>&gt; channels and <BR>&gt; &gt; then = =3D on=3D20 through the torturous pitman chest and all that to the magnets. <BR>&gt; = =3D the=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; pouch boards of course have the horizontal holes drilled =3D thru one=3D20 side <BR>&gt; of the <BR>&gt; &gt; board into the wells that make up =3D the=3D20 pouches, and then a vertical hole <BR>&gt; was <BR>&gt; &gt; drilled up = =3D thru the=3D20 face of the board through the horizontal holes, and <BR>&gt; it <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 was the vertical hole that carried the wind up to/through the channel =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 boards. <BR>&gt; &gt; Moller brown taped the edges of the boards and the = =3D top=3D20 edge to cover the <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; starting points for the vertical = =3D and=3D20 the horizontal holes. <BR>&gt; &gt; What I came up with is removing the = =3D brown=3D20 paper on the edge, sealing the <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; vertical holes on = =3D top, and=3D20 then insert a 1-1/2&quot; x 5/16&quot; brass tube <BR>&gt; nipple <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 into the horizontal holes to the pouches. <BR>&gt; &gt; Then 5/16&quot; = =3D ID=3D20 neoprene hose slips over the brass nipple, and runs about <BR>&gt; 6 to = =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; 8&quot; over to the side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each = =3D note=3D20 <BR>&gt; and <BR>&gt; &gt; magnets running along both long sides of the = =3D chests)=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; The oval magnet holes are all drilled on the mill, and =3D the=3D20 3/8&quot; exhaust <BR>&gt; &gt; holes below them are also drilled. I will = =3D be=3D20 inserting 1-1/2&quot; x 3/8 OD <BR>&gt; &gt; aluminum tube as a nipple =3D into=3D20 those holes, and the neoprene hose can be <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; stretched = =3D over=3D20 them. <BR>&gt; &gt; I'm using aluminum for that size only because the =3D brass that=3D20 diameter is <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; about twice the cost! <BR>&gt; &gt; I = =3D found a=3D20 great place on the web to order the tubing, small quantities <BR>&gt; =3D no=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; minimum order, and for now ordered 8' of each for about $44 = =3D with=3D20 the <BR>&gt; shipping <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; The system should work = =3D well.=3D20 The magnets will have a common copper <BR>&gt; ground <BR>&gt; &gt; wire, = =3D one=3D20 per rank which will go to a relay one per rank, and the relay <BR>&gt; =3D will=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the stop = =3D tabs=3D20 will <BR>&gt; close the <BR>&gt; &gt; ground via a relay for each rank. = =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; I won't be &quot;borrowing&quot; from 8' ranks to get pseudo 4' stops = =3D as it=3D20 was <BR>&gt; done <BR>&gt; &gt; originally, I really don't like those =3D shortcuts.=3D20 I will have an <BR>&gt; independant <BR>&gt; &gt; 4' rank on the great. = =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; The drawback was having to get a chest = =3D magnet=3D20 for every pipe, but the <BR>&gt; &gt; simplicity of the chests, and that I = =3D can=3D20 lift and work on any of them <BR>&gt; with <BR>&gt; &gt; ease, and that = =3D the=3D20 bottom boards and toeboards all come off to leave <BR>&gt; just the =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; shell which I can work on is nice. <BR>&gt; &gt; As a bonus I supose, = =3D it's=3D20 much easier to be able to flip the chests over <BR>&gt; to <BR>&gt; &gt; =3D install=3D20 the magnets and wiring, soldering etc due to how I designed and <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 built them 3 years ago! They have been sitting 3 years waiting for the =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 work <BR>&gt; &gt; I'm doing now on them and I'm glad I don't have to lay = =3D on my=3D20 back to <BR>&gt; solder <BR>&gt; &gt; magnets in!! <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Randall <BR>&gt; &gt; &lt;<U> = =3D <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/">http://members.aol.com/mpm= ol=3D lerorgan/</A></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners = =3D and=3D20 builders of their own <BR>&gt; &gt; Residence Pipe Organs. <BR>&gt; =3D &gt;=3D20 HOMEPAGE : &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg/</A></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; List: &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Administration: &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion = =3D list for=3D20 owners and builders of their own <BR>&gt; Residence Pipe Organs. =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 HOMEPAGE : &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg/</A></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; List: &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; Administration: &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR><BR>DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners = =3D and=3D20 builders of their own <BR>Residence Pipe Organs. <BR>HOMEPAGE : <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A></U>=3D20 <BR>List: <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 <BR>Administration: <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A></U>=3D20 <BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>   --=3D_A9F3FE3A.0C6C0ACF--  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:25:23 -0400   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1215867748=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ; format=3D"flowed"   Jon,   If you have your stopped flutes playing, you can play the pedal 5 notes above with your right foot, while playing the fundamental with your left foot, to see how it would sound. I've heard it's better if the quint or 10 2/3 pitch is played by a smaller scaled pipe such as a Leiblich Gedackt. I have my organ relay wired to play that rank with the Subbass for a 32' resultant.   Eric       At 12:13 PM -0500 7/27/01, Jon Calvo wrote: >Content-Type: text/html >Content-Description: HTML > >Larry >do you mean just a regular OSI stop switch , have you seen any of >these 32 ft done and how effective are they ??? > >jc > > >>> ><mailto:larry.covington@St-Louis.org>larry.covington@St-Louis.org >07/27/01 12:00PM >>> >Jon, > >The low octave can be wired to play a fifth above which provides the >harmonics of the 32' series. Easily done with a switch. > >Larry Covington > > > -----Original Message----- > > From:Jon Calvo [ ><mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]>SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us] > > Sent:Friday, July 27, 2001 11:56 AM > > To: <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > > Subject:Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards > > > > Hey Guys > > here is a question for anyone , is there any way to wire a 16 ft = Stopped > > flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it might be = possible > > , is there any truth to what I have herd > > > > thanks > > john C > > > > >>> ><mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu>rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu >< ><mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu>mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers >.edu > > > 07/27/01 09:56AM >>> > > > > > > > > > > randall, > > > > what about the larger pipes? are you planning on using a primary to > > exhaust the pouch? if would think that if you didn't you might have = speech > > > > problems since the pouches may not being able to open quick enough for > > proper speech. i know that on my friends moller artiste which has no > > primary valves, they used 2 magnets per note on the larger pipes in = order > > to exhaust more air. seems to work alright. > > > > > > > > -randall (also) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 ><mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>Mpmollerorgan@aol.com < ><mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com > > > wrote: > > > > > I thought I would detail what I came up with for retaining the = original > > > Moller pouchboards yet using them on new unit chests. > > > > > > The original pouchboards used to exahust up through the toeboard > > channels and > > > then on through the torturous pitman chest and all that to the = magnets. > > the > > > pouch boards of course have the horizontal holes drilled thru one = side > > of the > > > board into the wells that make up the pouches, and then a vertical = hole > > was > > > drilled up thru the face of the board through the horizontal holes, = and > > it > > > was the vertical hole that carried the wind up to/through the = channel > > boards. > > > Moller brown taped the edges of the boards and the top edge to cover = the > > > > > starting points for the vertical and the horizontal holes. > > > What I came up with is removing the brown paper on the edge, sealing = the > > > > > vertical holes on top, and then insert a 1-1/2" x 5/16" brass tube > > nipple > > > into the horizontal holes to the pouches. > > > Then 5/16" ID neoprene hose slips over the brass nipple, and runs = about > > 6 to > > > 8" over to the side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each = note > > and > > > magnets running along both long sides of the chests) > > > The oval magnet holes are all drilled on the mill, and the 3/8" = exhaust > > > holes below them are also drilled. I will be inserting 1-1/2" x 3/8 = OD > > > aluminum tube as a nipple into those holes, and the neoprene hose = can be > > > > > stretched over them. > > > I'm using aluminum for that size only because the brass that = diameter is > > > > > about twice the cost! > > > I found a great place on the web to order the tubing, small = quantities > > no > > > minimum order, and for now ordered 8' of each for about $44 with the > > shipping > > > > > > The system should work well. The magnets will have a common copper > > ground > > > wire, one per rank which will go to a relay one per rank, and the = relay > > will > > > be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the stop tabs will > > close the > > > ground via a relay for each rank. > > > I won't be "borrowing" from 8' ranks to get pseudo 4' stops as it = was > > done > > > originally, I really don't like those shortcuts. I will have an > > independant > > > 4' rank on the great. > > > > > > > > > The drawback was having to get a chest magnet for every pipe, but = the > > > simplicity of the chests, and that I can lift and work on any of = them > > with > > > ease, and that the bottom boards and toeboards all come off to leave > > just the > > > shell which I can work on is nice. > > > As a bonus I supose, it's much easier to be able to flip the chests = over > > to > > > install the magnets and wiring, soldering etc due to how I designed = and > > > built them 3 years ago! They have been sitting 3 years waiting for = the > > work > > > I'm doing now on them and I'm glad I don't have to lay on my back to > > solder > > > magnets in!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Randall > > > < ><http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/>http://members.aol.com/mpmoller >organ/ > > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > > > Residence Pipe Organs. > > > HOMEPAGE : < ><http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/>http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/ >> > > > List: < ><mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > > > > Administration: < ><mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org>mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.o >rg > > > > > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > > Residence Pipe Organs. > > HOMEPAGE : < ><http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/>http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/ >> > > List: < = <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > > > Administration: < ><mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org>mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.o >rg > > > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : ><http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/>http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: ><mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org>mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.o >rg   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1215867748=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Jon,     If you have your stopped flutes playing, you can play the pedal 5 notes above with your right foot, while playing the fundamental with your left foot, to see how it would sound. I've heard it's better if the quint or 10 2/3 pitch is played by a smaller scaled pipe such as a Leiblich Gedackt. I have my organ relay wired to play that rank with the Subbass for a 32' resultant.     Eric         At 12:13 PM -0500 7/27/01, Jon Calvo wrote:   <excerpt>Content-Type: text/html   Content-Description: HTML     <smaller><smaller>Larry   do you mean just a regular OSI stop switch , have you seen any of these 32 ft done and how effective are they ???   =3D20   jc     </smaller></smaller>>>> <<mailto:larry.covington@St-Louis.org>larry.covington@St-Louis.org 07/27/01 12:00PM >>>   Jon,     The low octave can be wired to play a fifth above which provides the   harmonics of the 32' series. Easily done with a switch.     Larry Covington     > -----Original Message-----   > From:Jon Calvo [<underline> <<mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]>SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]</under= l=3D ine>   > Sent:Friday, July 27, 2001 11:56 AM   > To:<underline> <<mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</underline>   > Subject:Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards   >   > Hey Guys   > here is a question for anyone , is there any way to wire a 16 ft Stopped   > flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it might be possible   > , is there any truth to what I have herd   >   > thanks   > john C   >   > >>> <underline><<mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu>rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers= .=3D edu</underline> <<<underline> <<mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu>mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu= <=3D /underline> >   > 07/27/01 09:56AM >>>   >   >   >   >   > randall,   >   > what about the larger pipes? are you planning on using a primary to   > exhaust the pouch? if would think that if you didn't you might have speech   >   > problems since the pouches may not being able to open quick enough for   > proper speech. i know that on my friends moller artiste which has no   > primary valves, they used 2 magnets per note on the larger pipes in order   > to exhaust more air. seems to work alright.   >   >   >   > -randall (also)   >   >   >   >   >   > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 <underline><<mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>Mpmollerorgan@aol.com</underline>=   <<<underline> <<mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com</underline> >   > wrote:   >   > > I thought I would detail what I came up with for retaining the original   > > Moller pouchboards yet using them on new unit chests.   > >   > > The original pouchboards used to exahust up through the toeboard   > channels and   > > then on through the torturous pitman chest and all that to the magnets.   > the   > > pouch boards of course have the horizontal holes drilled thru one side   > of the   > > board into the wells that make up the pouches, and then a vertical hole   > was   > > drilled up thru the face of the board through the horizontal holes, and   > it   > > was the vertical hole that carried the wind up to/through the channel   > boards.   > > Moller brown taped the edges of the boards and the top edge to cover the   >   > > starting points for the vertical and the horizontal holes.   > > What I came up with is removing the brown paper on the edge, sealing the   >   > > vertical holes on top, and then insert a 1-1/2" x 5/16" brass tube   > nipple   > > into the horizontal holes to the pouches.   > > Then 5/16" ID neoprene hose slips over the brass nipple, and runs about   > 6 to   > > 8" over to the side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each note   > and   > > magnets running along both long sides of the chests)   > > The oval magnet holes are all drilled on the mill, and the 3/8" exhaust   > > holes below them are also drilled. I will be inserting 1-1/2" x 3/8 OD   > > aluminum tube as a nipple into those holes, and the neoprene hose can be   >   > > stretched over them.   > > I'm using aluminum for that size only because the brass that diameter is   >   > > about twice the cost!   > > I found a great place on the web to order the tubing, small quantities   > no   > > minimum order, and for now ordered 8' of each for about $44 with the   > shipping   > >   > > The system should work well. The magnets will have a common copper   > ground   > > wire, one per rank which will go to a relay one per rank, and the relay   > will   > > be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the stop tabs will   > close the   > > ground via a relay for each rank.   > > I won't be "borrowing" from 8' ranks to get pseudo 4' stops as it was   > done   > > originally, I really don't like those shortcuts. I will have an   > independant   > > 4' rank on the great.   > >   > >   > > The drawback was having to get a chest magnet for every pipe, but the   > > simplicity of the chests, and that I can lift and work on any of them   > with   > > ease, and that the bottom boards and toeboards all come off to leave   > just the   > > shell which I can work on is nice.   > > As a bonus I supose, it's much easier to be able to flip the chests over   > to   > > install the magnets and wiring, soldering etc due to how I designed and   > > built them 3 years ago! They have been sitting 3 years waiting for the   > work   > > I'm doing now on them and I'm glad I don't have to lay on my back to   > solder   > > magnets in!!   > >   > >   > >   > >   > > Randall   > > <<<underline> <<http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/>http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorga= n=3D /</underline> >   > >   > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own   > > Residence Pipe Organs.   > > HOMEPAGE : <<<underline> <<http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/>http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/</un= d=3D erline> >   > > List: <<<underline> <<mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</underlin= e=3D > >   > > Administration: <<<underline> <<mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org>mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org</= u=3D nderline> >   > >   >   >   > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own   > Residence Pipe Organs.   > HOMEPAGE : <<<underline> <<http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/>http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/</un= d=3D erline> >   > List: <<<underline> <<mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</underlin= e=3D > >   > Administration: <<<underline> <<mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org>mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org</= u=3D nderline> >   >   >     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own   Residence Pipe Organs.   HOMEPAGE : <underline><<http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/>http://www.diyapason.pipech= a=3D t.org</underline>   List: <underline><<mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.or= g=3D </underline>   Administration: <underline><<mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org>mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pip= e=3D chat.org</underline>   </excerpt>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1215867748=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:32:17 -0500   --=3D_217B76B6.CCACCA0A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Eric there is a 10-2/3 something or another in the pedal can't remember = =3D just what it is but I know it comes from the flute or gemshorn , i mean = =3D how much unification can one do with a 5 ranker ,=3D20   >>> ess4@psu.edu 07/27/01 12:25PM >>>=3D20 Jon,=3D20   If you have your stopped flutes playing, you can play the pedal 5=3D20 notes above with your right foot, while playing the fundamental with=3D20 your left foot, to see how it would sound. I've heard it's better if=3D20 the quint or 10 2/3 pitch is played by a smaller scaled pipe such as=3D20 a Leiblich Gedackt. I have my organ relay wired to play that rank=3D20 with the Subbass for a 32' resultant.=3D20   Eric=3D20       At 12:13 PM -0500 7/27/01, Jon Calvo wrote:=3D20 >Content-Type: text/html=3D20 >Content-Description: HTML=3D20 >=3D20 >Larry=3D20 >do you mean just a regular OSI stop switch , have you seen any of=3D20 >these 32 ft done and how effective are they ???=3D20 >=3D20 >jc=3D20 >=3D20 > >>>=3D20 >< mailto:larry.covington@St-Louis.org > larry.covington@St-Louis.org=3D20 >07/27/01 12:00PM >>>=3D20 >Jon,=3D20 >=3D20 >The low octave can be wired to play a fifth above which provides the=3D20 >harmonics of the 32' series. Easily done with a switch.=3D20 >=3D20 >Larry Covington=3D20 >=3D20 > > -----Original Message-----=3D20 > > From:Jon Calvo [=3D20 >< mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us] > = SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]=3D20 > > Sent:Friday, July 27, 2001 11:56 AM=3D20 > > To: < mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 > > Subject:Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards=3D20 > >=3D20 > > Hey Guys=3D20 > > here is a question for anyone , is there any way to wire a 16 ft =3D Stopped=3D20 > > flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it might be =3D possible=3D20 > > , is there any truth to what I have herd=3D20 > >=3D20 > > thanks=3D20 > > john C=3D20 > >=3D20 > > >>>=3D20 >< mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu > = rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu=3D20 ><=3D20 >< mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu > = mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers=3D =3D20 >.edu >=3D20 > > 07/27/01 09:56AM >>>=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > randall,=3D20 > >=3D20 > > what about the larger pipes? are you planning on using a primary = to=3D20 > > exhaust the pouch? if would think that if you didn't you might have = =3D speech=3D20 > >=3D20 > > problems since the pouches may not being able to open quick enough =3D for=3D20 > > proper speech. i know that on my friends moller artiste which has =3D no=3D20 > > primary valves, they used 2 magnets per note on the larger pipes in = =3D order=3D20 > > to exhaust more air. seems to work alright.=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > -randall (also)=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001=3D20 >< mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com > Mpmollerorgan@aol.com <=3D20 >< mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com > mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com >=3D20 > > wrote:=3D20 > >=3D20 > > > I thought I would detail what I came up with for retaining the =3D original=3D20 > > > Moller pouchboards yet using them on new unit chests.=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > The original pouchboards used to exahust up through the = toeboard=3D20 > > channels and=3D20 > > > then on through the torturous pitman chest and all that to the =3D magnets.=3D20 > > the=3D20 > > > pouch boards of course have the horizontal holes drilled thru one = =3D side=3D20 > > of the=3D20 > > > board into the wells that make up the pouches, and then a vertical = =3D hole=3D20 > > was=3D20 > > > drilled up thru the face of the board through the horizontal holes, = =3D and=3D20 > > it=3D20 > > > was the vertical hole that carried the wind up to/through the =3D channel=3D20 > > boards.=3D20 > > > Moller brown taped the edges of the boards and the top edge to cover = =3D the=3D20 > >=3D20 > > > starting points for the vertical and the horizontal holes.=3D20 > > > What I came up with is removing the brown paper on the edge, sealing = =3D the=3D20 > >=3D20 > > > vertical holes on top, and then insert a 1-1/2" x 5/16" brass =3D tube=3D20 > > nipple=3D20 > > > into the horizontal holes to the pouches.=3D20 > > > Then 5/16" ID neoprene hose slips over the brass nipple, and runs = =3D about=3D20 > > 6 to=3D20 > > > 8" over to the side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each =3D note=3D20 > > and=3D20 > > > magnets running along both long sides of the chests)=3D20 > > > The oval magnet holes are all drilled on the mill, and the 3/8" =3D exhaust=3D20 > > > holes below them are also drilled. I will be inserting 1-1/2" x 3/8 = =3D OD=3D20 > > > aluminum tube as a nipple into those holes, and the neoprene hose = =3D can be=3D20 > >=3D20 > > > stretched over them.=3D20 > > > I'm using aluminum for that size only because the brass that =3D diameter is=3D20 > >=3D20 > > > about twice the cost!=3D20 > > > I found a great place on the web to order the tubing, small =3D quantities=3D20 > > no=3D20 > > > minimum order, and for now ordered 8' of each for about $44 with =3D the=3D20 > > shipping=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > The system should work well. The magnets will have a common =3D copper=3D20 > > ground=3D20 > > > wire, one per rank which will go to a relay one per rank, and the = =3D relay=3D20 > > will=3D20 > > > be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the stop tabs =3D will=3D20 > > close the=3D20 > > > ground via a relay for each rank.=3D20 > > > I won't be "borrowing" from 8' ranks to get pseudo 4' stops as it = =3D was=3D20 > > done=3D20 > > > originally, I really don't like those shortcuts. I will have an=3D20 > > independant=3D20 > > > 4' rank on the great.=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > The drawback was having to get a chest magnet for every pipe, but = =3D the=3D20 > > > simplicity of the chests, and that I can lift and work on any of =3D them=3D20 > > with=3D20 > > > ease, and that the bottom boards and toeboards all come off to =3D leave=3D20 > > just the=3D20 > > > shell which I can work on is nice.=3D20 > > > As a bonus I supose, it's much easier to be able to flip the chests = =3D over=3D20 > > to=3D20 > > > install the magnets and wiring, soldering etc due to how I designed = =3D and=3D20 > > > built them 3 years ago! They have been sitting 3 years waiting for = =3D the=3D20 > > work=3D20 > > > I'm doing now on them and I'm glad I don't have to lay on my back = =3D to=3D20 > > solder=3D20 > > > magnets in!!=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > Randall=3D20 > > > <=3D20 >< http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/ > = http://members.aol.com/mpmoller=3D =3D20 >organ/ >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their =3D own=3D20 > > > Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 > > > HOMEPAGE : <=3D20 >< http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/ > = http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/=3D =3D20 >>=3D20 > > > List: <=3D20 >< mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org = >=3D20 > > > Administration: <=3D20 >< mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > = mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.o=3D =3D20 >rg >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their = own=3D20 > > Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 > > HOMEPAGE : <=3D20 >< http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/ > = http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/=3D =3D20 >>=3D20 > > List: < < mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > = mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat=3D ..org >=3D20 > > Administration: <=3D20 >< mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > = mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.o=3D =3D20 >rg >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 >=3D20 >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 >Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 >HOMEPAGE :=3D20 >< http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/ > = http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=3D =3D20 >List: < mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > = mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D =3D20 >Administration:=3D20 >< mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > = mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.o=3D =3D20 >rg=3D20   --=3D_217B76B6.CCACCA0A Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type=3D > <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT: 8pt MS Sans Serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: =3D 2px"><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D1>Eric there is a 10-2/3 something or another in the pedal can't = =3D remember=3D20 just what it is but I know it comes from the flute or gemshorn , i mean = =3D how much=3D20 unification can one do with a 5 ranker , </FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;=3D20 ess4@psu.edu 07/27/01 12:25PM &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>Jon, <BR><BR>If you have = =3D your=3D20 stopped flutes playing, you can play the pedal 5 <BR>notes above with your = =3D right=3D20 foot, while playing the fundamental with <BR>your left foot, to see how it = =3D would=3D20 sound. I've heard it's better if <BR>the quint or 10 2/3 pitch is played = =3D by a=3D20 smaller scaled pipe such as <BR>a Leiblich Gedackt. I have my organ relay = =3D wired=3D20 to play that rank <BR>with the Subbass for a 32' resultant. = <BR><BR>Eric=3D20=3D   <BR><BR><BR><BR>At 12:13 PM -0500 7/27/01, Jon Calvo wrote:=3D20 <BR>&gt;Content-Type: text/html <BR>&gt;Content-Description: HTML =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt;Larry <BR>&gt;do you mean just a regular OSI stop switch , have = =3D you seen=3D20 any of <BR>&gt;these 32 ft done and how effective are they ??? = <BR>&gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt;jc <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:larry.covington@St-Louis.org">mailto:larry.covington@St-Lo= ui=3D s.org</A></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:larry.covington@St-Louis.org">larry.covington@St-Louis.org= </=3D A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;07/27/01 12:00PM &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;Jon, <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;The = =3D low=3D20 octave can be wired to play a fifth above which provides the = <BR>&gt;harmon=3D ics=3D20 of the 32' series. Easily done with a switch. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;Larry =3D Covington=3D20 <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; -----Original Message----- <BR>&gt; &gt; From:Jon = =3D Calvo [=3D20 <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]">mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.sta= te=3D ..tn.us]</A></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]">SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.u= s]=3D </A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; Sent:Friday, July 27, 2001 11:56 AM <BR>&gt; &gt; To: =3D &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</A></U>= =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; Subject:Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt; Hey=3D20 Guys <BR>&gt; &gt; here is a question for anyone , is there any way to =3D wire a 16=3D20 ft Stopped <BR>&gt; &gt; flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me = =3D that it=3D20 might be possible <BR>&gt; &gt; , is there any truth to what I have =3D herd=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; thanks <BR>&gt; &gt; john C <BR>&gt; &gt; =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu">mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.ru= tg=3D ers.edu</A></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu">rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.e= du=3D </A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;&lt; <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu">mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.ru= tg=3D ers.edu</A></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers">mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutger= s<=3D /A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;.edu &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; 07/27/01 09:56AM &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt; =3D &gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; randall, <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; what about the larger pipes? are you planning on using a =3D primary=3D20 to <BR>&gt; &gt; exhaust the pouch? if would think that if you didn't you = =3D might=3D20 have speech <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; problems since the pouches may not = =3D being=3D20 able to open quick enough for <BR>&gt; &gt; proper speech. i know that on = =3D my=3D20 friends moller artiste which has no <BR>&gt; &gt; primary valves, they =3D used 2=3D20 magnets per note on the larger pipes in order <BR>&gt; &gt; to exhaust =3D more air.=3D20 seems to work alright. <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 -randall (also) <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; = =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com">mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com</A></U= > =3D &gt;<U>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com">Mpmollerorgan@aol.com</A></U> = =3D &lt;=3D20 <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com">mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com</A></U= > =3D &gt;<U>=3D20 <A = href=3D3D"mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com">mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com</A></= =3D U> &gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; wrote: <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I thought I would = =3D detail=3D20 what I came up with for retaining the original <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =3D Moller=3D20 pouchboards yet using them on new unit chests. <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 &gt; The original pouchboards used to exahust up through the toeboard =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; channels and <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; then on through the torturous pitman = =3D chest=3D20 and all that to the magnets. <BR>&gt; &gt; the <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; pouch = =3D boards=3D20 of course have the horizontal holes drilled thru one side <BR>&gt; &gt; of = =3D the=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; board into the wells that make up the pouches, and then = =3D a=3D20 vertical hole <BR>&gt; &gt; was <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; drilled up thru the =3D face of=3D20 the board through the horizontal holes, and <BR>&gt; &gt; it <BR>&gt; &gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 was the vertical hole that carried the wind up to/through the channel =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; boards. <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Moller brown taped the edges of the boards = =3D and=3D20 the top edge to cover the <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; starting points = =3D for=3D20 the vertical and the horizontal holes. <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; What I came up = =3D with is=3D20 removing the brown paper on the edge, sealing the <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 &gt; vertical holes on top, and then insert a 1-1/2&quot; x 5/16&quot; =3D brass=3D20 tube <BR>&gt; &gt; nipple <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; into the horizontal holes to = =3D the=3D20 pouches. <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Then 5/16&quot; ID neoprene hose slips over = =3D the=3D20 brass nipple, and runs about <BR>&gt; &gt; 6 to <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 8&quot; = =3D over=3D20 to the side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each note <BR>&gt; =3D &gt; and=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; magnets running along both long sides of the chests) = =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; &gt; The oval magnet holes are all drilled on the mill, and the =3D 3/8&quot;=3D20 exhaust <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; holes below them are also drilled. I will = be=3D20 inserting 1-1/2&quot; x 3/8 OD <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; aluminum tube as a =3D nipple into=3D20 those holes, and the neoprene hose can be <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; =3D &gt;=3D20 stretched over them. <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I'm using aluminum for that size = =3D only=3D20 because the brass that diameter is <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; about = =3D twice=3D20 the cost! <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I found a great place on the web to order =3D the=3D20 tubing, small quantities <BR>&gt; &gt; no <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; minimum =3D order, and=3D20 for now ordered 8' of each for about $44 with the <BR>&gt; &gt; = shipping=3D20=3D   <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; The system should work well. The =3D magnets=3D20 will have a common copper <BR>&gt; &gt; ground <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; wire, = =3D one per=3D20 rank which will go to a relay one per rank, and the relay <BR>&gt; &gt; = =3D will=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the = =3D stop=3D20 tabs will <BR>&gt; &gt; close the <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; ground via a relay = =3D for each=3D20 rank. <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I won't be &quot;borrowing&quot; from 8' ranks to = =3D get=3D20 pseudo 4' stops as it was <BR>&gt; &gt; done <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; = originally,=3D I=3D20 really don't like those shortcuts. I will have an <BR>&gt; &gt; = independant=3D =3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 4' rank on the great. <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; The drawback was having to get a chest magnet for every = =3D pipe,=3D20 but the <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; simplicity of the chests, and that I can lift = =3D and=3D20 work on any of them <BR>&gt; &gt; with <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; ease, and that = =3D the=3D20 bottom boards and toeboards all come off to leave <BR>&gt; &gt; just =3D the=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; shell which I can work on is nice. <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =3D As a=3D20 bonus I supose, it's much easier to be able to flip the chests over =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; to <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; install the magnets and wiring, soldering etc = =3D due to=3D20 how I designed and <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; built them 3 years ago! They have = =3D been=3D20 sitting 3 years waiting for the <BR>&gt; &gt; work <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I'm = =3D doing=3D20 now on them and I'm glad I don't have to lay on my back to <BR>&gt; &gt; = =3D solder=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; magnets in!! <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Randall <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; = =3D &lt;=3D20 <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/">http://members.aol.com/mpm= ol=3D lerorgan/</A></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://members.aol.com/mpmoller">http://members.aol.com/mpmoller<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;organ/ &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; DIYAPASON-L: =3D a=3D20 Discussion list for owners and builders of their own <BR>&gt; &gt; = &gt;=3D20 Residence Pipe Organs. <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; HOMEPAGE : &lt; <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> = =3D <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg/</A></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg/</A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; List: &lt; <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Administration: &lt; <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.o">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipecha= t.=3D o</A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;rg &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; Residence Pipe Organs. <BR>&gt; &gt; HOMEPAGE : &lt; <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> = =3D <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg/</A></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg/</A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; List: &lt; &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Administration: &lt; <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.o">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipecha= t.=3D o</A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;rg &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;DIYAPASON-L: = =3D a=3D20 Discussion list for owners and builders of their own <BR>&gt;Residence =3D Pipe=3D20 Organs. <BR>&gt;HOMEPAGE : <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg/</A></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;List: &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;Administration: <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.o">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipecha= t.=3D o</A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;rg <BR></BODY></HTML>   --=3D_217B76B6.CCACCA0A--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:33:09 EDT     In a message dated 7/27/01 9:59:20 AM, rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu = writes:   > > > >randall, > >what about the larger pipes? are you planning on using a primary to >exhaust the pouch?   Larger as in what size? I'd have to look but the largest diameter pipe = hole on the toeboards I remember was maybe 7/8" I might have to use direct = magnets for some of the largest such as C1 thru maybe 6 and there is enough room = in the chests to add a little block with a passageway and a DE magnet/valve. = Or;   > they used 2 magnets per note on the larger pipes in order >to exhaust more air. seems to work alright.   As you mention above, I had also considered that and there is enough room = in the chest rails to add second magents like that if it turns out the = pouches are not emptying fast enough. I thik they will though because I am keeping the diameter of the exhaust = tube slightly larger than the original and the length is much less, and less restricted as well.   The pedal pipes had primaries and notes 1 thru 24 were on one chest, the front row was arranged in the "A" pattern and the back row was the = opposite with a "V" pattern unfortunately, where the pipes have to go the order of = the pipes on the back row of the chest was totally the opposite to match the = 45 degree slope of my ceiling when attached to the wall. So... That means I will need to build a new chest for just the one row of pipes that did fit the area and the slope of the ceiling (D4-B12) the rest =   have another place to go. That chest may also carry the Aeoline I wanted to add, it's a small soft string and can go in the room not in the chamber where there is no more = room, and not be under expression. I haven't decided yet but likely this chest will have channels and DE valves, the channels take care of the speech issue since it makes a little =   air chamber of sorts. The only issue is the extra weight of the magnets. I had the original chest and those 12 pipes up on the wall to get them out = of the way, I used two 1/4" thick by 3" x3" x 8" angle irons bolted to the = wall studs with 3/8" x 3" lag bolts, as well as attached two large turnbuckles = to the top ends of the chest and those bolted to the studs inside the knee = wall. I was able to stand on the chest with the pipes and it was solid. I doubt another 50 pounds of magnets would make much difference   Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:41:40 -0500   Hi, Jon: We have a 32-foot resultant in the pipe organ at my church. The pipes that produce it are in the 16-foot Brummbass stop. I really kicks in from about AAAA and gradually increases in perceived power down to CCCC. The answer: can be done. F. Richard Burt effarbee@home.com  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:52:53 -0400   At 12:41 PM -0500 7/27/01, F. Richard Burt wrote: >Hi, Jon: > > >The pipes that produce it are in the 16-foot Brummbass stop.     What in the world is a "Brummbass" stop? I've never heard of that one!   Thanks, Eric   > >F. Richard Burt >effarbee@home.com > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:06:12 -0500   Eric Sagmuller wrote: > > At 12:41 PM -0500 7/27/01, F. Richard Burt wrote: > >Hi, Jon: > > > > > >The pipes that produce it are in the 16-foot Brummbass stop. > > What in the world is a "Brummbass" stop? I've never heard of > that one! > > Thanks, > Eric Brummbass is a Stopped Flute. The name is favored by the Schantz people instead of calling it a Subbass or Bourdon. F. Richard Burt effarbee@home.com  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:36:56 -0500   --=3D_461C11C0.1E7E18C9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Eric Richard had to have meant a 16 ft kick A- - stop that would be a really a = =3D valuable stop it there were a real one of those maybe Richard meant =3D Bombard kick ass all the same ,on well=3D20   >>> ess4@psu.edu 07/27/01 12:52PM >>> At 12:41 PM -0500 7/27/01, F. Richard Burt wrote: >Hi, Jon: > > >The pipes that produce it are in the 16-foot Brummbass stop.     What in the world is a "Brummbass" stop? I've never heard of that one!   Thanks, Eric   > >F. Richard Burt >effarbee@home.com > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org   --=3D_461C11C0.1E7E18C9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type=3D > <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT: 8pt MS Sans Serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: = =3D 2px"> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>Eric</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>Richard had to have meant a 16 ft kick A- - stop = that =3D would be=3D20 a really a valuable stop it there were a real one of those maybe Richard = =3D meant=3D20 Bombard kick ass all the same ,on well </FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:ess4@psu.edu">ess4@psu.edu</A> 07/27/01 12:52PM = &gt;&gt;&gt;=3D <BR>At=3D20 12:41 PM -0500 7/27/01, F. Richard Burt wrote:<BR>&gt;Hi,=3D20 Jon:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;The pipes that produce it are in the = 16-foot=3D20=3D   Brummbass stop.<BR><BR><BR>What in the world is a &quot;Brummbass&quot; = =3D stop?=3D20 I've never heard of that = one!<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Eric<BR><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;F.=3D =3D20 Richard Burt<BR>&gt;effarbee@home.com<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;DIYAPASON-L: a =3D Discussion=3D20 list for owners and builders of their own<BR>&gt;Residence Pipe=3D20 Organs.<BR>&gt;HOMEPAGE : <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A><BR>&gt;List:=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ><BR>&gt;Administration:&nbsp;=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A><BR><BR><BR>DIYAPASON-L:=3D20 a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own <BR>Residence =3D Pipe=3D20 Organs.<BR>HOMEPAGE : <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A><BR>List:=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ><BR>Administration:&nbsp;=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A><BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>   --=3D_461C11C0.1E7E18C9--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:55:22 -0400   OK. Interesting. Sounds like a motorcycle, Brumm..Brumm..   At 1:06 PM -0500 7/27/01, F. Richard Burt wrote: > >Brummbass is a Stopped Flute. The name is favored by the Schantz >people instead of calling it a Subbass or Bourdon. > >F. Richard Burt >effarbee@home.com > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:12:46 -0500   --=3D_AFF5F820.9AFA9C47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Eric my sincerest apologies , Schantz has been known to come out with some = =3D pretty wild names , and it dose sound like a motorcycle type name may be = =3D they can come out with a Harley Davidson Rank=3D20 oh well jc=3D20   >>> ess4@psu.edu 07/27/01 01:55PM >>> OK. Interesting. Sounds like a motorcycle, Brumm..Brumm..   At 1:06 PM -0500 7/27/01, F. Richard Burt wrote: > >Brummbass is a Stopped Flute. The name is favored by the Schantz >people instead of calling it a Subbass or Bourdon. > >F. Richard Burt >effarbee@home.com > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org   --=3D_AFF5F820.9AFA9C47 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type=3D > <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT: 8pt MS Sans Serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: = =3D 2px"> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>Eric my sincerest apologies , Schantz has been known = =3D to come=3D20 out with some pretty wild names , and it dose sound like a motorcycle type = =3D name=3D20 may be they can come out with a Harley Davidson Rank&nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>oh well</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>jc </FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:ess4@psu.edu">ess4@psu.edu</A> 07/27/01 01:55PM = &gt;&gt;&gt;=3D <BR>OK.=3D20 Interesting. Sounds like a motorcycle, Brumm..Brumm..<BR><BR>At 1:06 PM = =3D -0500=3D20 7/27/01, F. Richard Burt wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Brummbass is a Stopped=3D20 Flute.&nbsp; The name is favored by the Schantz<BR>&gt;people instead of = =3D calling=3D20 it a Subbass or Bourdon.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;F. Richard=3D20 Burt<BR>&gt;effarbee@home.com<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion =3D list for=3D20 owners and builders of their own<BR>&gt;Residence Pipe = Organs.<BR>&gt;HOMEP=3D AGE :=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A><BR>&gt;List:=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ><BR>&gt;Administration:&nbsp;=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A><BR><BR><BR>DIYAPASON-L:=3D20 a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own <BR>Residence =3D Pipe=3D20 Organs.<BR>HOMEPAGE : <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A><BR>List:=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ><BR>Administration:&nbsp;=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A><BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>   --=3D_AFF5F820.9AFA9C47--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: <DEMPAR1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:36:45 EDT   >Hey Guys here is a question for anyone , is there any way to wire a 16 ft Stopped = flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it might be possible = , is there any truth to what I have herd <   Don't know what your setup is but it should be no big problem on a normal = relay. Even if the relay does not have a set of contacts, you can add a = Reisner outboard 32 contact relay for the resultant stop, and then use = diodes to isolate each pipe. The resultants I have seen generally beat a = second 16' base rank against the fundamental to generate the 32' = resultant. Are you intending to use pipes in the same rank?    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "Fr. Larry Covington" <larry.covington@St-Louis.org> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:40:35 -0500   John,   A lot depends on the scale of the 16' octave and the acoustics of the = room. The larger the scale the more pronounced the 32' effect. In a house I = think you will have to be careful as it is likely to create "standing waves" = which can be distracting and not musical at all. Any switch will do. I have wired them by having the switch put on the 16' an octave higher along with the 10 2/3' pitch then repeating the low 12 note of the stopped bass which when playing with the 102/3' gives the 32' effect. The best effect is created when the 10 2/3' pipes are independent and tuned properly. Otherwise you are dealing with a compromise. Also the independent 10 2/3' can be of a smaller scale giving a better effect...but this is expensive = and takes uip space!   Larry   > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Calvo [SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us] > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:13 PM > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards > > Larry > do you mean just a regular OSI stop switch , have you seen any of these = 32 > ft done and how effective are they ??? > > jc > > >>> larry.covington@St-Louis.org <mailto:larry.covington@St-Louis.org> > 07/27/01 12:00PM >>> > Jon, > > The low octave can be wired to play a fifth above which provides the > harmonics of the 32' series. Easily done with a switch. > > Larry Covington > > > -----Original Message----- > > From:Jon Calvo [ SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us] > <mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]> > > Sent:Friday, July 27, 2001 11:56 AM > > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > > Subject:Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards > > > > Hey Guys > > here is a question for anyone , is there any way to wire a 16 ft = Stopped > > > flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it might be > possible > > , is there any truth to what I have herd > > > > thanks > > john C > > > > >>> rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu = <mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu> > < <mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu> > > > 07/27/01 09:56AM >>> > > > > > > > > > > randall, > > > > what about the larger pipes? are you planning on using a primary to > > exhaust the pouch? if would think that if you didn't you might have > speech > > > > problems since the pouches may not being able to open quick enough for =   > > proper speech. i know that on my friends moller artiste which has no > > primary valves, they used 2 magnets per note on the larger pipes in > order > > to exhaust more air. seems to work alright. > > > > > > > > -randall (also) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 Mpmollerorgan@aol.com = <mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> > < <mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > I thought I would detail what I came up with for retaining the > original > > > Moller pouchboards yet using them on new unit chests. > > > > > > The original pouchboards used to exahust up through the toeboard > > channels and > > > then on through the torturous pitman chest and all that to the > magnets. > > the > > > pouch boards of course have the horizontal holes drilled thru one = side > > > of the > > > board into the wells that make up the pouches, and then a vertical > hole > > was > > > drilled up thru the face of the board through the horizontal holes, > and > > it > > > was the vertical hole that carried the wind up to/through the = channel > > boards. > > > Moller brown taped the edges of the boards and the top edge to cover > the > > > > > starting points for the vertical and the horizontal holes. > > > What I came up with is removing the brown paper on the edge, sealing > the > > > > > vertical holes on top, and then insert a 1-1/2" x 5/16" brass tube > > nipple > > > into the horizontal holes to the pouches. > > > Then 5/16" ID neoprene hose slips over the brass nipple, and runs > about > > 6 to > > > 8" over to the side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each = note > > and > > > magnets running along both long sides of the chests) > > > The oval magnet holes are all drilled on the mill, and the 3/8" > exhaust > > > holes below them are also drilled. I will be inserting 1-1/2" x 3/8 = OD > > > > aluminum tube as a nipple into those holes, and the neoprene hose = can > be > > > > > stretched over them. > > > I'm using aluminum for that size only because the brass that = diameter > is > > > > > about twice the cost! > > > I found a great place on the web to order the tubing, small = quantities > > > no > > > minimum order, and for now ordered 8' of each for about $44 with the =   > > shipping > > > > > > The system should work well. The magnets will have a common copper > > ground > > > wire, one per rank which will go to a relay one per rank, and the > relay > > will > > > be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the stop tabs will > > close the > > > ground via a relay for each rank. > > > I won't be "borrowing" from 8' ranks to get pseudo 4' stops as it = was > > done > > > originally, I really don't like those shortcuts. I will have an > > independant > > > 4' rank on the great. > > > > > > > > > The drawback was having to get a chest magnet for every pipe, but = the > > > simplicity of the chests, and that I can lift and work on any of = them > > with > > > ease, and that the bottom boards and toeboards all come off to leave =   > > just the > > > shell which I can work on is nice. > > > As a bonus I supose, it's much easier to be able to flip the chests > over > > to > > > install the magnets and wiring, soldering etc due to how I designed > and > > > built them 3 years ago! They have been sitting 3 years waiting for = the > > > work > > > I'm doing now on them and I'm glad I don't have to lay on my back to =   > > solder > > > magnets in!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Randall > > > < <http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/> > > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > > > Residence Pipe Organs. > > > HOMEPAGE : < <http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/> > > > > List: < <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > > > > Administration: < <mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org> > > > > > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > > Residence Pipe Organs. > > HOMEPAGE : < <http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/> > > > List: < <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > > > Administration: < <mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org> > > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : <http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/> > List: <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > Administration: <mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org> > >  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:33:16 -0500   --=3D_E7BDB005.2F4F2999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   yes I am using that same rank of pipes that I want tp wire a 32 ft from = =3D will this present a problem   >>> DEMPAR1@aol.com 07/27/01 02:36PM >>>=3D20 >Hey Guys=3D20 here is a question for anyone , is there any way to wire a 16 ft Stopped = =3D flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it might be possible = =3D , is there any truth to what I have herd <=3D20   Don't know what your setup is but it should be no big problem on a normal = =3D relay. Even if the relay does not have a set of contacts, you can add a = =3D Reisner outboard 32 contact relay for the resultant stop, and then use =3D diodes to isolate each pipe. The resultants I have seen generally beat a = =3D second 16' base rank against the fundamental to generate the 32' = resultant.=3D Are you intending to use pipes in the same rank?=3D20     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=3D20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=3D20   --=3D_E7BDB005.2F4F2999 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type=3D > <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT: 8pt MS Sans Serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: = =3D 2px"><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D1>yes I am using that same rank of pipes that I want tp wire a 32 = =3D ft from=3D20 will this present a problem</FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DEMPAR1@aol.com">DEMPAR1@aol.com</A> 07/27/01 02:36PM =3D &gt;&gt;&gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt;Hey Guys <BR>here is a question for anyone , is there any way to = =3D wire a=3D20 16 ft Stopped flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it =3D might be=3D20 possible , is there any truth to what I have herd &lt; <BR><BR>Don't know = =3D what=3D20 your setup is but it should be no big problem on a normal relay. Even if = =3D the=3D20 relay does not have a set of contacts, you can add a Reisner outboard 32 = =3D contact=3D20 relay for the resultant stop, and then use diodes to isolate each pipe. = =3D The=3D20 resultants I have seen generally beat a second 16' base rank against =3D the=3D20 fundamental to generate the 32' resultant. Are you intending to use pipes = =3D in the=3D20 same rank? <BR><BR><BR>DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and =3D builders of=3D20 their own <BR>Residence Pipe Organs. <BR>HOMEPAGE : <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A></U>=3D20 <BR>List: <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 <BR>Administration: <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A></U>=3D20 <BR><BR></BODY></HTML>   --=3D_E7BDB005.2F4F2999--  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:44:28 -0500   --=3D_5F0508BF.8FEF8934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Larry=3D20 the organ is in a 15 x 15 room there is not a lot of room for the organ to = =3D properly sound like it should so if a 32 ft would create any odd = vibrations=3D I may just chuck the idea of a 32 and go with maybe something more =3D controllable like a small electronic trumpet if I can find one that would = =3D work , the main idea of the 32 or the trumpet is to give the organ some = =3D bite , the organ is completely exposed and really needs some type of =3D warmth or controllable sound to it , I hope I am making sense what is your = =3D opinion   john C   >>> larry.covington@St-Louis.org 07/27/01 02:40PM >>>=3D20 John,=3D20   A lot depends on the scale of the 16' octave and the acoustics of the =3D room.=3D20 The larger the scale the more pronounced the 32' effect. In a house I =3D think=3D20 you will have to be careful as it is likely to create "standing waves" =3D which=3D20 can be distracting and not musical at all. Any switch will do. I have=3D20 wired them by having the switch put on the 16' an octave higher along =3D with=3D20 the 10 2/3' pitch then repeating the low 12 note of the stopped bass =3D which=3D20 when playing with the 102/3' gives the 32' effect. The best effect is=3D20 created when the 10 2/3' pipes are independent and tuned properly.=3D20 Otherwise you are dealing with a compromise. Also the independent 10 =3D 2/3'=3D20 can be of a smaller scale giving a better effect...but this is expensive = =3D and=3D20 takes uip space!=3D20   Larry=3D20   > -----Original Message-----=3D20 > From:Jon Calvo [ SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]=3D20 > Sent:Friday, July 27, 2001 12:13 PM=3D20 > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 > Subject:RE: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards=3D20 >=3D20 > Larry=3D20 > do you mean just a regular OSI stop switch , have you seen any of these = =3D 32=3D20 > ft done and how effective are they ???=3D20 >=3D20 > jc=3D20 >=3D20 > >>> larry.covington@St-Louis.org < mailto:larry.covington@St-Louis.org = =3D >=3D20 > 07/27/01 12:00PM >>>=3D20 > Jon,=3D20 >=3D20 > The low octave can be wired to play a fifth above which provides = the=3D20 > harmonics of the 32' series. Easily done with a switch.=3D20 >=3D20 > Larry Covington=3D20 >=3D20 > > -----Original Message-----=3D20 > > From:Jon Calvo [ SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]=3D20 > < mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us] >=3D20 > > Sent:Friday, July 27, 2001 11:56 AM=3D20 > > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org < mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >=3D20 > > Subject:Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards=3D20 > >=3D20 > > Hey Guys=3D20 > > here is a question for anyone , is there any way to wire a 16 ft =3D Stopped=3D20 >=3D20 > > flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it might be=3D20 > possible=3D20 > > , is there any truth to what I have herd=3D20 > >=3D20 > > thanks=3D20 > > john C=3D20 > >=3D20 > > >>> rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu < = mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.ed=3D u >=3D20 > < < mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu > >=3D20 > > 07/27/01 09:56AM >>>=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > randall,=3D20 > >=3D20 > > what about the larger pipes? are you planning on using a primary = to=3D20 > > exhaust the pouch? if would think that if you didn't you might = have=3D20 > speech=3D20 > >=3D20 > > problems since the pouches may not being able to open quick enough =3D for=3D20 > > proper speech. i know that on my friends moller artiste which has =3D no=3D20 > > primary valves, they used 2 magnets per note on the larger pipes = in=3D20 > order=3D20 > > to exhaust more air. seems to work alright.=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > -randall (also)=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 Mpmollerorgan@aol.com < = mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.co=3D m >=3D20 > < < mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com > >=3D20 > > wrote:=3D20 > >=3D20 > > > I thought I would detail what I came up with for retaining the=3D20 > original=3D20 > > > Moller pouchboards yet using them on new unit chests.=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > The original pouchboards used to exahust up through the = toeboard=3D20 > > channels and=3D20 > > > then on through the torturous pitman chest and all that to the=3D20 > magnets.=3D20 > > the=3D20 > > > pouch boards of course have the horizontal holes drilled thru one = =3D side=3D20 >=3D20 > > of the=3D20 > > > board into the wells that make up the pouches, and then a = vertical=3D20=3D   > hole=3D20 > > was=3D20 > > > drilled up thru the face of the board through the horizontal =3D holes,=3D20 > and=3D20 > > it=3D20 > > > was the vertical hole that carried the wind up to/through the =3D channel=3D20 > > boards.=3D20 > > > Moller brown taped the edges of the boards and the top edge to =3D cover=3D20 > the=3D20 > >=3D20 > > > starting points for the vertical and the horizontal holes.=3D20 > > > What I came up with is removing the brown paper on the edge, =3D sealing=3D20 > the=3D20 > >=3D20 > > > vertical holes on top, and then insert a 1-1/2" x 5/16" brass =3D tube=3D20 > > nipple=3D20 > > > into the horizontal holes to the pouches.=3D20 > > > Then 5/16" ID neoprene hose slips over the brass nipple, and = runs=3D20 > about=3D20 > > 6 to=3D20 > > > 8" over to the side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each =3D note=3D20 > > and=3D20 > > > magnets running along both long sides of the chests)=3D20 > > > The oval magnet holes are all drilled on the mill, and the 3/8"=3D20 > exhaust=3D20 > > > holes below them are also drilled. I will be inserting 1-1/2" x 3/8 = =3D OD=3D20 >=3D20 > > > aluminum tube as a nipple into those holes, and the neoprene hose = =3D can=3D20 > be=3D20 > >=3D20 > > > stretched over them.=3D20 > > > I'm using aluminum for that size only because the brass that =3D diameter=3D20 > is=3D20 > >=3D20 > > > about twice the cost!=3D20 > > > I found a great place on the web to order the tubing, small =3D quantities=3D20 >=3D20 > > no=3D20 > > > minimum order, and for now ordered 8' of each for about $44 with =3D the=3D20 > > shipping=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > The system should work well. The magnets will have a common =3D copper=3D20 > > ground=3D20 > > > wire, one per rank which will go to a relay one per rank, and = the=3D20 > relay=3D20 > > will=3D20 > > > be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the stop tabs =3D will=3D20 > > close the=3D20 > > > ground via a relay for each rank.=3D20 > > > I won't be "borrowing" from 8' ranks to get pseudo 4' stops as it = =3D was=3D20 > > done=3D20 > > > originally, I really don't like those shortcuts. I will have an=3D20 > > independant=3D20 > > > 4' rank on the great.=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > The drawback was having to get a chest magnet for every pipe, but = =3D the=3D20 > > > simplicity of the chests, and that I can lift and work on any of =3D them=3D20 > > with=3D20 > > > ease, and that the bottom boards and toeboards all come off to =3D leave=3D20 > > just the=3D20 > > > shell which I can work on is nice.=3D20 > > > As a bonus I supose, it's much easier to be able to flip the =3D chests=3D20 > over=3D20 > > to=3D20 > > > install the magnets and wiring, soldering etc due to how I =3D designed=3D20 > and=3D20 > > > built them 3 years ago! They have been sitting 3 years waiting for = =3D the=3D20 >=3D20 > > work=3D20 > > > I'm doing now on them and I'm glad I don't have to lay on my back = =3D to=3D20 > > solder=3D20 > > > magnets in!!=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > Randall=3D20 > > > < < http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/ > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their =3D own=3D20 > > > Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 > > > HOMEPAGE : < < http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/ > >=3D20 > > > List: < < mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > >=3D20 > > > Administration: < < mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their = own=3D20 > > Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 > > HOMEPAGE : < < http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/ > >=3D20 > > List: < < mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > >=3D20 > > Administration: < < mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >=3D20 > >=3D20 > >=3D20 >=3D20 > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 > Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 > HOMEPAGE : < http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/ >=3D20 > List: < mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >=3D20 > Administration: < mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >=3D20 >=3D20 >=3D20   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=3D20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=3D20   --=3D_5F0508BF.8FEF8934 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type=3D > <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT: 8pt MS Sans Serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: = =3D 2px"> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>Larry </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>the organ is in a 15 x 15 room there is not a lot of = =3D room for=3D20 the organ to properly sound like it should so if a 32 ft would create any = =3D odd=3D20 vibrations I may just chuck the idea of a 32 and go with maybe something = =3D more=3D20 controllable like a small electronic trumpet if I can find one that would = =3D work ,=3D20 the main idea of the 32 or the trumpet is to give the organ some bite , = =3D the=3D20 organ is completely exposed and really needs some type of warmth or =3D controllable=3D20 sound to it , I hope I am making sense what is your opinion</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>john C</FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:larry.covington@St-Louis.org">larry.covington@St-Louis.org= </=3D A>=3D20 07/27/01 02:40PM &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>John, <BR><BR>A lot depends on the scale = =3D of=3D20 the 16' octave and the acoustics of the room. <BR>The larger the scale the = =3D more=3D20 pronounced the 32' effect. In a house I think <BR>you will have to be =3D careful as=3D20 it is likely to create &quot;standing waves&quot; which <BR>can be =3D distracting=3D20 and not musical at all. Any switch will do. I have <BR>wired them by =3D having the=3D20 switch put on the 16' an octave higher along with <BR>the 10 2/3' pitch = =3D then=3D20 repeating the low 12 note of the stopped bass which <BR>when playing with = =3D the=3D20 102/3' gives the 32' effect. The best effect is <BR>created when the 10 = =3D 2/3'=3D20 pipes are independent and tuned properly. <BR>Otherwise you are dealing = =3D with a=3D20 compromise. Also the independent 10 2/3' <BR>can be of a smaller scale =3D giving a=3D20 better effect...but this is expensive and <BR>takes uip space! = <BR><BR>Larr=3D y=3D20 <BR><BR>&gt; -----Original Message----- <BR>&gt; From:Jon Calvo [<U> = <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]">SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.u= s]=3D </A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt; Sent:Friday, July 27, 2001 12:13 PM <BR>&gt; To:<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</A></U>= =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 Subject:RE: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Larry =3D <BR>&gt; do=3D20 you mean just a regular OSI stop switch , have you seen any of these 32 = =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 ft done and how effective are they ??? <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; jc <BR>&gt; =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt; <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:larry.covington@St-Louis.org">larry.covington@St-Louis.org= </=3D A></U>=3D20 &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:larry.covington@St-Louis.org">mailto:larry.covington@St-Lo= ui=3D s.org</A></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; 07/27/01 12:00PM &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt; Jon, <BR>&gt; =3D <BR>&gt; The=3D20 low octave can be wired to play a fifth above which provides the =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 harmonics of the 32' series. Easily done with a switch. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; = =3D Larry=3D20 Covington <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; -----Original Message----- <BR>&gt; =3D &gt;=3D20 From:Jon Calvo [ <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]">SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.u= s]=3D </A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt; &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]">mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.sta= te=3D ..tn.us]</A></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Sent:Friday, July 27, 2001 11:56 AM <BR>&gt; &gt; To: = =3D <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</A></U> =3D &lt;<U>=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Subject:Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; Hey Guys <BR>&gt; &gt; here is a question for anyone , is = =3D there=3D20 any way to wire a 16 ft Stopped <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; flute to play as a = =3D 32=3D20 resultant someone told me that it might be <BR>&gt; possible <BR>&gt; &gt; = =3D , is=3D20 there any truth to what I have herd <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; thanks =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; john C <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu">rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.e= du=3D </A></U>=3D20 &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu">mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.ru= tg=3D ers.edu</A></U>=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &lt; &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu">mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.ru= tg=3D ers.edu</A></U>=3D20 &gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; 07/27/01 09:56AM &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; randall, <BR>&gt; &gt; =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; what about the larger pipes? are you planning on using a primary =3D to=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; exhaust the pouch? if would think that if you didn't you =3D might=3D20 have <BR>&gt; speech <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; problems since the =3D pouches may=3D20 not being able to open quick enough for <BR>&gt; &gt; proper speech. i =3D know that=3D20 on my friends moller artiste which has no <BR>&gt; &gt; primary valves, = =3D they=3D20 used 2 magnets per note on the larger pipes in <BR>&gt; order <BR>&gt; =3D &gt; to=3D20 exhaust more air. seems to work alright. <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; -randall (also) <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com">Mpmollerorgan@aol.com</A></U> =3D &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com">mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com</A></U= > =3D &gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; &lt; &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com">mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com</A></U= > =3D &gt;=3D20 &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; wrote: <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I thought I =3D would=3D20 detail what I came up with for retaining the <BR>&gt; original <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 &gt; Moller pouchboards yet using them on new unit chests. <BR>&gt; &gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; The original pouchboards used to exahust up through =3D the=3D20 toeboard <BR>&gt; &gt; channels and <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; then on through =3D the=3D20 torturous pitman chest and all that to the <BR>&gt; magnets. <BR>&gt; &gt; = =3D the=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; pouch boards of course have the horizontal holes =3D drilled thru=3D20 one side <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; of the <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; board into the = =3D wells=3D20 that make up the pouches, and then a vertical <BR>&gt; hole <BR>&gt; &gt; = =3D was=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; drilled up thru the face of the board through the =3D horizontal=3D20 holes, <BR>&gt; and <BR>&gt; &gt; it <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; was the vertical = =3D hole=3D20 that carried the wind up to/through the channel <BR>&gt; &gt; boards. =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; &gt; Moller brown taped the edges of the boards and the top edge to = =3D cover=3D20 <BR>&gt; the <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; starting points for the =3D vertical=3D20 and the horizontal holes. <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; What I came up with is =3D removing the=3D20 brown paper on the edge, sealing <BR>&gt; the <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 vertical holes on top, and then insert a 1-1/2&quot; x 5/16&quot; brass = =3D tube=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; nipple <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; into the horizontal holes to =3D the=3D20 pouches. <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Then 5/16&quot; ID neoprene hose slips over = =3D the=3D20 brass nipple, and runs <BR>&gt; about <BR>&gt; &gt; 6 to <BR>&gt; &gt; =3D &gt;=3D20 8&quot; over to the side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each =3D note=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; and <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; magnets running along both long sides = =3D of=3D20 the chests) <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; The oval magnet holes are all drilled on =3D the=3D20 mill, and the 3/8&quot; <BR>&gt; exhaust <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; holes below = =3D them are=3D20 also drilled. I will be inserting 1-1/2&quot; x 3/8 OD <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 &gt; aluminum tube as a nipple into those holes, and the neoprene hose =3D can=3D20 <BR>&gt; be <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; stretched over them. <BR>&gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 &gt; I'm using aluminum for that size only because the brass that =3D diameter=3D20 <BR>&gt; is <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; about twice the cost! =3D <BR>&gt; &gt;=3D20 &gt; I found a great place on the web to order the tubing, small = quantities=3D =3D20 <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; no <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; minimum order, and for now = =3D ordered=3D20 8' of each for about $44 with the <BR>&gt; &gt; shipping <BR>&gt; &gt; =3D &gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; The system should work well. The magnets will have a = =3D common=3D20 copper <BR>&gt; &gt; ground <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; wire, one per rank which = =3D will go=3D20 to a relay one per rank, and the <BR>&gt; relay <BR>&gt; &gt; will =3D <BR>&gt; &gt;=3D20 &gt; be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the stop tabs =3D will=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; close the <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; ground via a relay for each =3D rank.=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I won't be &quot;borrowing&quot; from 8' ranks to get = =3D pseudo=3D20 4' stops as it was <BR>&gt; &gt; done <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; originally, I =3D really=3D20 don't like those shortcuts. I will have an <BR>&gt; &gt; independant =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; &gt; 4' rank on the great. <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt; &gt; The drawback was having to get a chest magnet for every pipe, = =3D but the=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; simplicity of the chests, and that I can lift and work = =3D on any=3D20 of them <BR>&gt; &gt; with <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; ease, and that the bottom = =3D boards=3D20 and toeboards all come off to leave <BR>&gt; &gt; just the <BR>&gt; &gt; = =3D &gt;=3D20 shell which I can work on is nice. <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; As a bonus I supose, = =3D it's=3D20 much easier to be able to flip the chests <BR>&gt; over <BR>&gt; &gt; =3D to=3D20 <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; install the magnets and wiring, soldering etc due to = =3D how I=3D20 designed <BR>&gt; and <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; built them 3 years ago! 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(back) Subject: RE: 32' Resultants From: "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:47:20 -0500   Good TGIF to all.   My home pipe organ has a big 16' Bourdon and a smaller scale 16' Lieblich Gedeckt. I use the Lieblich Gedeckt as the 5th with the Bourdon for the = low octave. I have been amazed at how well it works. (Even though I have not touched the Bourdon since I got it playing. It will need some = "adjustments" someday.)   The low 12 Bourdons are on their side on the North wall with their mouths = at the East end. The low 12 Gedeckts are on the South Wall with their mouths at the West end. So they face each other with all the other Swell "stuff" in between. I do not know if the position of the pipework and the relationship of the mouths have anything to do with the sound. I just = know that it works well for me. I have heard some resultants that have been, rather nasty sounding - a lot of noise and rumble, but not much like a 32' sound!   Hope everyone is doing well and your projects likewise.   Craig Elders -----Original Message----- From: Fr. Larry Covington [mailto:larry.covington@St-Louis.org] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 2:41 PM To: Residence Organ List Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards     John,   A lot depends on the scale of the 16' octave and the acoustics of the = room. The larger the scale the more pronounced the 32' effect. In a house I = think you will have to be careful as it is likely to create "standing waves" = which can be distracting and not musical at all. Any switch will do. I have wired them by having the switch put on the 16' an octave higher along with the 10 2/3' pitch then repeating the low 12 note of the stopped bass which when playing with the 102/3' gives the 32' effect. The best effect is created when the 10 2/3' pipes are independent and tuned properly. Otherwise you are dealing with a compromise. Also the independent 10 2/3' can be of a smaller scale giving a better effect...but this is expensive = and takes uip space!   Larry   > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Calvo [SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us] > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:13 PM > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards > > Larry > do you mean just a regular OSI stop switch , have you seen any of these = 32 > ft done and how effective are they ??? > > jc > > >>> larry.covington@St-Louis.org <mailto:larry.covington@St-Louis.org> > 07/27/01 12:00PM >>> > Jon, > > The low octave can be wired to play a fifth above which provides the > harmonics of the 32' series. Easily done with a switch. > > Larry Covington > > > -----Original Message----- > > From:Jon Calvo [ SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us] > <mailto:SMTP:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us]> > > Sent:Friday, July 27, 2001 11:56 AM > > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > > Subject:Re: [Residence Organs] Pouch boards > > > > Hey Guys > > here is a question for anyone , is there any way to wire a 16 ft = Stopped > > > flute to play as a 32 resultant someone told me that it might be > possible > > , is there any truth to what I have herd > > > > thanks > > john C > > > > >>> rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu = <mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu> > < <mailto:rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu> > > > 07/27/01 09:56AM >>> > > > > > > > > > > randall, > > > > what about the larger pipes? are you planning on using a primary to > > exhaust the pouch? if would think that if you didn't you might have > speech > > > > problems since the pouches may not being able to open quick enough for =   > > proper speech. i know that on my friends moller artiste which has no > > primary valves, they used 2 magnets per note on the larger pipes in > order > > to exhaust more air. seems to work alright. > > > > > > > > -randall (also) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 Mpmollerorgan@aol.com = <mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> > < <mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > I thought I would detail what I came up with for retaining the > original > > > Moller pouchboards yet using them on new unit chests. > > > > > > The original pouchboards used to exahust up through the toeboard > > channels and > > > then on through the torturous pitman chest and all that to the > magnets. > > the > > > pouch boards of course have the horizontal holes drilled thru one = side > > > of the > > > board into the wells that make up the pouches, and then a vertical > hole > > was > > > drilled up thru the face of the board through the horizontal holes, > and > > it > > > was the vertical hole that carried the wind up to/through the = channel > > boards. > > > Moller brown taped the edges of the boards and the top edge to cover > the > > > > > starting points for the vertical and the horizontal holes. > > > What I came up with is removing the brown paper on the edge, sealing > the > > > > > vertical holes on top, and then insert a 1-1/2" x 5/16" brass tube > > nipple > > > into the horizontal holes to the pouches. > > > Then 5/16" ID neoprene hose slips over the brass nipple, and runs > about > > 6 to > > > 8" over to the side boards of the 2 rank chests (magnet for each = note > > and > > > magnets running along both long sides of the chests) > > > The oval magnet holes are all drilled on the mill, and the 3/8" > exhaust > > > holes below them are also drilled. I will be inserting 1-1/2" x 3/8 = OD > > > > aluminum tube as a nipple into those holes, and the neoprene hose = can > be > > > > > stretched over them. > > > I'm using aluminum for that size only because the brass that = diameter > is > > > > > about twice the cost! > > > I found a great place on the web to order the tubing, small = quantities > > > no > > > minimum order, and for now ordered 8' of each for about $44 with the =   > > shipping > > > > > > The system should work well. The magnets will have a common copper > > ground > > > wire, one per rank which will go to a relay one per rank, and the > relay > > will > > > be activated by the stop tabs on the console. So the stop tabs will > > close the > > > ground via a relay for each rank. > > > I won't be "borrowing" from 8' ranks to get pseudo 4' stops as it = was > > done > > > originally, I really don't like those shortcuts. I will have an > > independant > > > 4' rank on the great. > > > > > > > > > The drawback was having to get a chest magnet for every pipe, but = the > > > simplicity of the chests, and that I can lift and work on any of = them > > with > > > ease, and that the bottom boards and toeboards all come off to leave =   > > just the > > > shell which I can work on is nice. > > > As a bonus I supose, it's much easier to be able to flip the chests > over > > to > > > install the magnets and wiring, soldering etc due to how I designed > and > > > built them 3 years ago! They have been sitting 3 years waiting for = the > > > work > > > I'm doing now on them and I'm glad I don't have to lay on my back to =   > > solder > > > magnets in!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Randall > > > < <http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/> > > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > > > Residence Pipe Organs. > > > HOMEPAGE : < <http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/> > > > > List: < <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > > > > Administration: < <mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org> > > > > > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > > Residence Pipe Organs. > > HOMEPAGE : < <http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/> > > > List: < <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > > > Administration: < <mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org> > > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : <http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/> > List: <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > Administration: <mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org> > >   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. 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(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] Greetings! From: "Tim Stoel" <timstoel@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:40:28 -0700 (PDT)   Hello   My name is Tim Stoel and I just joined the group. A little bit about me: I play a Hammond A-100 (B-3 with built in speakers and reverb), which is rigged to 48 12" speakers. I have a *really* bad case of Hammond Acquisition Syndrome.   But the Hammond sound just isn't doing it for me and I am doing research on installing a pipe organ in my residence. I don't know a whole lot about the pipes themselves, but I am more familiar with console design and such. I am looking at ending up with a romantically voiced organ, probably a 2/6 or so.   I have been playing for six years in various rock groups. I started a techno group a few years back, and we released a techno album last November, and now we are playing more rock and jazz. As a soloist, I enjoy playing classical music. Toccata and Fugue in D minor is always a fun one.   I look forward to hearing from you!   Best regards, Tim Stoel   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/