DIYAPASON-L Digest #359 - Tuesday, July 31, 2001
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Brummbass
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  small blower - details
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  small blower - details
  by "4everaptor" <JABowers@execpc.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  small blower - details& big blower details!
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Organ Clearing House On-Line
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Brummbass
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Buzzy Diapasons
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Brummbass
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Brummbass From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:27:58 -0400   Mike and list,   Thanks for the nice explanation from Ken List on the Brummbass. When=20 I mentioned the name sounded like the sound of a motorcycle, I wasn't=20 poking fun at Schantz or any other company. I think very highly of=20 Schantz having heard and played a few of their organs. I even have an=20 8' and a 4' Diapason rank of theirs from 1956 that I really like the=20 sound of, except for a few buzzy pipes that just need some adjustment.   I remember Ken List from pipeorg-l and had some e-mail discussions=20 with him. At that time I believe he was located near Baltimore MD. He=20 is very knowledgeable about the different organ pipes and their names.   Hope everyone has a nice day,   Eric         At 8:12 PM -0400 7/30/01, Mike Gettelman wrote: > Hello > I am a bit of a lurker on this list, but was motivated to tell you >about what I learned were the facts about the Brummbass. > I was somewhat amused to read the posts concerning the Brummbass, >particularly those relating it to the Brumm sound of a Harley. I sent a >post to my friend, Ken List, a Tonal Finisher at Schantz, describing the >information suggested here, that the Brummbass originating as a Schantz >rank, and that it was derived from the Harley Brumm sound. I also made >the mistake of reporting that Schantz seems to known for "wild" rank >names. > The return message was a rather terse admonishment and lesson from >Ken, a way he gets when confronted by inaccurate or absurd information. > I have sought and recieved permission from our List Administrator to >quote some of Ken's remarks because I thought you might find them of >interest. > > Ken List writes: > > << Mike- > >The German term "Brummbass" literally means "drone bass" and was >occasionally used in the 'olden >days' - actually it means exactly the same thing as "Bourdon" does in >French! When the Germans used to >use the term Bourdon they spelled it "Bordun" - which when pronounced in >German sounds somewhat as >"Bourdon" does pronounced in French! > >There was one Schantz representative in the South (Al Lunsford) who >seemed devoted to the term. If >there were but one Subbass in the organ, he would have it called >"Brummbass" - and if there were two, >Brummbass would be the softer. I don't think the company ever used it >outside of Al's organs. He is >retired now, and we don't use the term at all so far as I know. > >Your compatrios on this List is very much off base. Schantz if anything >is far more conservative in stop >nomenclature than most. He should consult old Schlicker and Holtkamp >and Aeolian-Sknner lists. How >about A-S calling a Vax humana by its German name "Menchenstimmen" or >one company who used the >Greek name for it "Anthropoglossa" >---------------------------------------------------------------------=20 >----------------- > > So there you have it folks. The final line of his message I did not >copy here, but I will tell you it had to do with the accuracy of what I >may read on this List. I think he was not at all amused by the suggested >relationship between Harley sound and the Brumbass. nor the reputation >for wild rank names. :-) > > Cheers > Mike Gettelman > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] small blower - details From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:48:27 EDT     --part1_2d.f3154d4.28981f3b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi all. I had limited space so I ended with a Grainger 5hp blower. It is noise so = a blower baffle box is a must and sound insulation in the area is a must. l have it in my office in the shop so it got a big truck air filter on the = in take. It also takes up less room, always a problem. Have fun Dennis   --part1_2d.f3154d4.28981f3b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi all. <BR>I had limited space so I ended with a Grainger 5hp blower. It is noise = so a <BR>blower baffle box is a must and sound insulation in the area is a = must. l <BR>have it in my office in the shop so it got a big truck air filter on = the in <BR>take. It also takes up less room, always a problem. <BR>Have fun <BR>Dennis</FONT></HTML>   --part1_2d.f3154d4.28981f3b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] small blower - details From: "4everaptor" <JABowers@execpc.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:57:21 -0500   Hi Dennis, Grainger lists about five million 5hp blowers. Could you give us a clue as to which one you used?   John   Pipewheezr@aol.com wrote: > > Hi all. > I had limited space so I ended with a Grainger 5hp blower. > It is noise so a blower baffle box is a must and sound > insulation in the area is a must. l have it in my office > in the shop so it got a big truck air filter on the in > take. It also takes up less room, always a problem. > Have fun > Dennis    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] small blower - details& big blower details! From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:49:28 EDT     --part1_64.111a50ee.28982d88_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   What service eh? Hi John, The old part number is 4C131A.The new part that matches the flow is = 7C199.I traded in the 3hp 3 phase for 5hp single phase. I called Graingers "tech. line" and asked single phase power verses 3 phase power, 3hp 3 phase is = about equal to 5hp single phase. I have a static W.P.11",and blower regulated at =   5or 6 I don't remember. The blower box is 24x24x24 inches with 8 baffles coming in all directions, =   really quitted it down! But I was careful not to choke the blower. The exhaust is 7&1/8 X 5& 3/4.I welded a flange on the outlet & made sure it = was flat. Then made a wooden box that accepted a 10" or 8 "flange with a boot that went through wall into the baffle box theeeeeeeeeen in to the first regulator that set's the system pressure. Being in Sandy Eggo there is not much of a supply of used organ parts. = Most is an expensive freight ride away. Well, of to the vet for one of the hurd. Have fun Dennis   --part1_64.111a50ee.28982d88_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>What service eh? <BR>Hi John, <BR> The old part number is 4C131A.The new part that matches the flow is = 7C199.I <BR>traded in the 3hp 3 phase for 5hp single phase. I called Graingers = "tech. <BR>line" and asked single phase power verses 3 phase power, 3hp 3 phase = is about <BR>equal to 5hp single phase. I have a static W.P.11",and blower = regulated at <BR>5or 6 I don't remember. <BR>The blower box is 24x24x24 inches with 8 baffles coming in all = directions, <BR>really quitted it down! But I was careful not to choke the blower. The =   <BR>exhaust is 7&amp;1/8 X 5&amp; 3/4.I welded a flange on the outlet = &amp; made sure it was <BR>flat. Then made a wooden box that accepted a 10" or 8 "flange with a = boot <BR>that went through wall into the baffle box theeeeeeeeeen in to the = first <BR>regulator that set's the system pressure. <BR>Being in Sandy Eggo there is not much of a supply of used organ parts. = Most <BR>is an expensive freight ride away. <BR>Well, of to the vet for one of the hurd. <BR>Have fun <BR>Dennis</FONT></HTML>   --part1_64.111a50ee.28982d88_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Organ Clearing House On-Line From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:11:38 -0500   I spoke on the phone with John Bishop, the OCH Executive Director this morning. He has been aware of the problems with the web site and said that they have been corrected. I just was able to go to the site without any problems.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Brummbass From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:22:16 -0400   Aww Eric, I think Ken was just poking some fun at me, the raw, rank = impressionable amateur I am. But I gained some education, and wanted to pass it on to y'all who = might be curious. Ken took me into the Severance Hall Skinner chambers last May from = where I toured the organ, took some pictures, and sat in the cambers with him for a concert. = I am most lucky to have had the experience, and to meet Ken. He is now my hero, my teacher, = and my friend and graciously puts up with all my numb skull blathering, but will take me = right to task if I report something inaccurate or just plain ignorant. I thought the Harley = thing might amuse him, but I should have known he takes his craft seriously, and his loyalty = to Schantz even more so. Certainly, no damage done though. If anyone would care to see my pictorial report of my night inside the = Severance chambers, it can be seen at the following site: = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/id56.htm     Cheers Mike     Eric Sagmuller wrote:   > Mike and list, > > Thanks for the nice explanation from Ken List on the Brummbass. When > I mentioned the name sounded like the sound of a motorcycle, I wasn't > poking fun at Schantz or any other company. I think very highly of > Schantz having heard and played a few of their organs. I even have an > 8' and a 4' Diapason rank of theirs from 1956 that I really like the > sound of, except for a few buzzy pipes that just need some adjustment. > > I remember Ken List from pipeorg-l and had some e-mail discussions > with him. At that time I believe he was located near Baltimore MD. He > is very knowledgeable about the different organ pipes and their names. > > Hope everyone has a nice day, > > Eric > > At 8:12 PM -0400 7/30/01, Mike Gettelman wrote: > > Hello > > I am a bit of a lurker on this list, but was motivated to tell you > >about what I learned were the facts about the Brummbass. > > I was somewhat amused to read the posts concerning the Brummbass, > >particularly those relating it to the Brumm sound of a Harley. I sent a > >post to my friend, Ken List, a Tonal Finisher at Schantz, describing = the > >information suggested here, that the Brummbass originating as a Schantz > >rank, and that it was derived from the Harley Brumm sound. I also made > >the mistake of reporting that Schantz seems to known for "wild" rank > >names. > > The return message was a rather terse admonishment and lesson from > >Ken, a way he gets when confronted by inaccurate or absurd information. > > I have sought and recieved permission from our List Administrator = to > >quote some of Ken's remarks because I thought you might find them of > >interest. > > > > Ken List writes: > > > > << Mike- > > > >The German term "Brummbass" literally means "drone bass" and was > >occasionally used in the 'olden > >days' - actually it means exactly the same thing as "Bourdon" does in > >French! When the Germans used to > >use the term Bourdon they spelled it "Bordun" - which when pronounced = in > >German sounds somewhat as > >"Bourdon" does pronounced in French! > > > >There was one Schantz representative in the South (Al Lunsford) who > >seemed devoted to the term. If > >there were but one Subbass in the organ, he would have it called > >"Brummbass" - and if there were two, > >Brummbass would be the softer. I don't think the company ever used it > >outside of Al's organs. He is > >retired now, and we don't use the term at all so far as I know. > > > >Your compatrios on this List is very much off base. Schantz if = anything > >is far more conservative in stop > >nomenclature than most. He should consult old Schlicker and Holtkamp > >and Aeolian-Sknner lists. How > >about A-S calling a Vax humana by its German name "Menchenstimmen" or > >one company who used the > >Greek name for it "Anthropoglossa" > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >----------------- > > > > So there you have it folks. The final line of his message I did not > >copy here, but I will tell you it had to do with the accuracy of what I > >may read on this List. I think he was not at all amused by the = suggested > >relationship between Harley sound and the Brumbass. nor the reputation > >for wild rank names. :-) > > > > Cheers > > Mike Gettelman > > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > >Residence Pipe Organs. > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own = Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Buzzy Diapasons From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:21:13 -0500   Eric Sagmuller wrote: > > Hello Friends, > * * * > The other strange thing is that I can't get a couple of these > offending pipes in tune. The collar is all the way down and > they still are too flat. I don't know though if this is related, > as the pipes were running a somewhat higher pressure on the > organ they came from. This would have raised the pitch a little. Seen that, haven't fixed that either. We believe the offending pipes in the organ we deal with was built back when many organs were tuned to A=3D435 Hz. You may have to cut the pipe a bit shorter. F. Richard Burt effarbee@home.com  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Brummbass From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:28:43 -0500   Mike Gettelman wrote: > > Hello > I am a bit of a lurker on this list, but was motivated > to tell you about what I learned were the facts about the > Brummbass..... * * * > There was one Schantz representative in the South (Al Lunsford) > who seemed devoted to the term.... Good to know. Both of the Schantz organs on which I have worked were sold by Al Lunsford. That could be the connection to the "Brummbass," rather than a generalization by Schantz. Appreciatively, F. Richard Burt effarbee@home.com