DIYAPASON-L Digest #335 - Monday, June 4, 2001
 
Re: empty rooms
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: empty rooms
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Organ layout
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Organ layout
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Organ layout
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Organ layout
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Organ layout
  by "Tom Dimock" <tad1@cornell.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Organ layout
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Acoustics
  by "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: empty rooms From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:16:20 -0400   Isn't the main reason, that at least some of us, want as large a room as possible for our residence organ, is to gain as much reverberance and acoustic space as possible? Why would one then want to add any unnecessary padding, carpet, etc. to kill the life of the room?   At the University here we have recently had some labs and offices renovated. This is an old building made of concrete, terra cotta blocks, bricks and plaster. Even the smallest rooms have an incredible amount of reverberation when empty. I just love to play a radio with classical music in them, it sounds so nice. I wish I could get that kind of life in my organ room that is quite a bit larger than some of these. But even two layers of drywall, thick wood floors, etc. don't equal thick steel reinforced concrete, and hard blocks or bricks. Also the organ room will act as the living room. I'm hoping that a sparse throw rug and leather upholstery won't suck out too much of the life of the room.   Oh well, maybe I'll have to try for some of that fake reverb!   Hope you all have a lovely day, Eric       At 10:30 AM -0700 6/1/01, Steven Paul Durham wrote: >Tony: > >Its odd that you think "empty rooms sound horrible" and that you would >suggest using soft furnishings, drapes, carpets, etc. as a way to enhance >the sound of an organ. If you look at very successful organ = installations >with perfect acoustics you'll soon discover one thing: they are void of >sound deadening material. > >I was a choir member at St. Mark's Episcopal Church in Portland, OR which >houses a 3/44 Werner-Bosch tracker organ designed by E. Power Biggs. = This >room has the most wonderful acoustics and has no microphones or sound >systems because the floors are concrete, the walls are brick and the pews >are hardwood. You can hear that organ and the human voice just as = clearly >in the gallery as you do at the altar. The priest can say mass with his >back to the congregation, speak in a normal voice and you can hear it >clearly in the gallery which is approx. 100' away. > >I find it pathetic that architects design churches with carpeting and = padded >pews and then have to design this extremely expensive sound system to = fake a >reverb which they would of had naturally if they hadn't put in all that >sound deadening material. How stupid is that? > >Steven Durham >sdurham11@home.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk> >To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> >Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:57 AM >Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #333 - 05/31/01 > > > > Re. Acoustics > > > > Empty rooms always sound horrible! Soft furnishings and drapes absorb = a > > surprising amount of sound, as does a carpet, if you plan to use one. > > Another good sound absorber are shelves full of books - the irregular > > surface also diffuses sound waves. > >    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: empty rooms From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 07:25:02 -0500   An excellent example of room-reverb was the old Chicago stadium. Even with all (thousands of) seats full, the organ still globbed together into one = big sustained sound. Sometimes it was hard to figure out what Melgaard was playing -but the sonic-effect was heart-stopping. A country church near me added a large room -75'x75' with A-frame ceiling- on their property. One can walk in the room, clap one's hands and hear it reverberate for several seconds. Good for enhancing music but bad for speech -even with carpeting.   Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Organ layout From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 08:13:27 -0500   --=3D_ACF6816D.A7C6403A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Dear Steve I know that if sheet rock is coated with I have herd the name but like you = =3D say it seals the sheet rock and gives that reflective sound , how ever =3D there is only one problem with this , the Ceiling is that of a typical =3D Garage and I am trying to figure it out in my mind what is going to be the = =3D best way and the most economical way to change the pitch of the roof N # 1 = =3D I would like to have a cathedral ceiling and may be room enough for a rank = =3D or two for an echo effect but this is all subject to change when I get a = =3D bid=3D20 your opinion=3D20 john   >>> sdurham11@home.com 06/01/01 12:48PM >>>   Dear Jon: =3D20 I'm by no means and expert on the subject but one thing I would think to = =3D be very important is making sure that the chamber walls are lined with a = =3D hard non-porous material. That could, I suppose, be masonite, laminate or = =3D even sheet rock that has been painted and coated with a sealant. =3D20 I also think that narrow and high chambers with the shutters mounted =3D toward the top is the way to go. It seems that you get a better "blend" = =3D of tone before it gets dumped into the room. I've been around organs =3D where the shutters are low and you tend to get a raw tone. Of course some = =3D of that could be due to poor voicing and regulation. =3D20 I'll be interested to see what some of our more qualified list members =3D have to say about organ design and layout. =3D20 Best Regards, =3D20 Steven Durham sdurham11@home.com       From: Jon Calvo=3D20 To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Organ layout     Question for any one I am considering converting a garage into a music =3D room , it is now a 3 car unit if I should convert this is there any thing = =3D that I should watch for , I do want to prep it for a 9 to 15 rank organ is = =3D there any type of drywall or something that will liven the acoustics up , = =3D any suggestions thanks john   >>> Pipewheezr@aol.com 06/01/01 09:49AM >>> Don't worry about the echo when the room is empty that will change. My =3D room=3D20 is 20X30 with a 16' ceiling on one side. When it was empty it sounded =3D pretty=3D20 bad with a radio playing while we wired and painted and so on.=3D20 Dennis=3D20   --=3D_ACF6816D.A7C6403A Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type=3D > <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT: 8pt MS Sans Serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: = =3D 2px"> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>Dear Steve</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>I know that if sheet rock is coated with I have herd = =3D the name=3D20 but like you say it seals the sheet rock and gives that reflective sound , = =3D how=3D20 ever there is only one problem with this , the Ceiling is that of a =3D typical=3D20 Garage and I am trying to figure it out in my mind what is going to be the = =3D best=3D20 way and the most economical way to change the pitch of the roof N # 1 I = =3D would=3D20 like to have a cathedral ceiling and may be room enough for a rank or two = =3D for an=3D20 echo effect but this is all subject to change when I get a bid = </FONT></DIV=3D > <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>your opinion </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>john</FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:sdurham11@home.com">sdurham11@home.com</A> 06/01/01 =3D 12:48PM=3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt;<BR><FONT face=3D3D"MS Sans Serif" size=3D3D1></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3D3>Dear Jon:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3D3>I'm by no means and = expert on =3D the=3D20 subject but one thing I would think to be very important is making sure = =3D that the=3D20 chamber walls are lined with a hard non-porous material.&nbsp; That could, =3D I=3D20 suppose, be masonite, laminate or even sheet rock that has been painted = =3D and=3D20 coated with a sealant.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3D3>I also think that narrow = and =3D high=3D20 chambers with the shutters mounted toward the top is the way to go.&nbsp; = =3D It=3D20 seems that you get a better &quot;blend&quot; of tone before it gets =3D dumped into=3D20 the room.&nbsp; I've been around organs where the shutters are low and you = =3D tend=3D20 to get a raw tone.&nbsp; Of course some of that could be due to poor =3D voicing and=3D20 regulation.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3D3>I'll be interested to see = =3D what some of=3D20 our more qualified list members have to say about organ design and=3D20 layout.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3D3>Best = Regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3D3>Steven = Durham</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3D3><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:sdurham11@home.com">sdurham11@home.com</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 dir =3D3D ltr> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>F=3D rom:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us" = title=3D3Djcalvo@mail.state.tn=3D ..us>Jon=3D20 Calvo</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org"=3D20 title=3D3DDIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 01, 2001 = =3D 10:05=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Residence = Organs] =3D Organ=3D20 layout</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>Question for any one I am considering converting = a =3D garage=3D20 into a music room , it is now a 3 car unit if I should convert this is = =3D there=3D20 any thing that I should watch for , I do want to prep it for a 9 to 15 = =3D rank=3D20 organ is there any type of drywall or something that will liven = the=3D20 acoustics up , any suggestions</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>thanks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>john</FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Pipewheezr@aol.com">Pipewheezr@aol.com</A> 06/01/01 = =3D 09:49AM=3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt;<BR><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>Don't = =3D worry about=3D20 the echo when the room is empty that will change. My room <BR>is 20X30 = =3D with=3D20 a 16' ceiling on one side. When it was empty it sounded pretty <BR>bad = =3D with=3D20 a radio playing while we wired and painted and so on. = <BR>Dennis</FONT>=3D =3D20 </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>   --=3D_ACF6816D.A7C6403A--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Organ layout From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 08:17:06 -0500   --=3D_8AD0A748.93F27431 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   David this shows my construction skills =3DBD in sheet of sheet rock what if it = is =3D a little thicker 3/4 or an 1 in would that make a difference=3D20 john   >>> David@blackiris.com 06/01/01 06:12PM >>> At 12:05 PM -0500 6/1/01, Jon Calvo wrote: >Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D3DISO-8859-1 >Content-Description: HTML > >Question for any one I am considering converting a garage into a=3D20 >music room , it is now a 3 car unit if I should convert this is=3D20 >there any thing that I should watch for , I do want to prep it for a=3D20 >9 to 15 rank organ is there any type of drywall or something that=3D20 >will liven the acoustics up , any suggestions >thanks >john   I would suggest that you use a double layer of drywall at least a=3D20 1/2' thick screwed tightly with close spacing on the screws to make=3D20 the wall as solid as possible.   David   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org   --=3D_8AD0A748.93F27431 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type=3D > <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT: 8pt MS Sans Serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: = =3D 2px"> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>David</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>this shows my construction skills &frac12; in sheet = of =3D sheet=3D20 rock what if it is a little thicker 3/4 or&nbsp; an 1 in would that make = =3D a=3D20 difference </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>john</FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:David@blackiris.com">David@blackiris.com</A> 06/01/01 =3D 06:12PM=3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>At 12:05 PM -0500 6/1/01, Jon Calvo = wrote:<BR>&gt;Content-T=3D ype:=3D20 text/html; charset=3D3DISO-8859-1<BR>&gt;Content-Description:=3D20 HTML<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Question for any one I am considering converting a =3D garage=3D20 into a <BR>&gt;music room , it is now a 3 car unit if I should convert =3D this is=3D20 <BR>&gt;there any thing that I should watch for , I do want to prep it for = =3D a=3D20 <BR>&gt;9 to 15 rank organ is there any type of drywall or something =3D that=3D20 <BR>&gt;will liven the acoustics up , any=3D20 suggestions<BR>&gt;thanks<BR>&gt;john<BR><BR>I would suggest that you use = =3D a=3D20 double layer of drywall at least a <BR>1/2' thick screwed tightly with =3D close=3D20 spacing on the screws to make <BR>the wall as solid as=3D20 possible.<BR><BR>David<BR><BR>DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners = =3D and=3D20 builders of their own <BR>Residence Pipe Organs.<BR>HOMEPAGE : <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A><BR>List:=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ><BR>Administration:&nbsp;=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A><BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>   --=3D_8AD0A748.93F27431--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Organ layout From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:51:58 -0400   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1220459776=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ; format=3D"flowed"   Jon,   The thickest sheetrock I'm aware of is 5/8". Two layers of 1/2" would give you 1" thick which is quite stout. My Swell chamber has this along with a plaster coat, and it is very rigid.   Eric         At 8:17 AM -0500 6/4/01, Jon Calvo wrote: >Content-Type: text/html >Content-Description: HTML > >David >this shows my construction skills &frac12; in sheet of sheet rock >what if it is a little thicker 3/4 or an 1 in would that make a >difference >john > > >>> <mailto:David@blackiris.com>David@blackiris.com 06/01/01 06:12PM >>> >At 12:05 PM -0500 6/1/01, Jon Calvo wrote: > >Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 > >Content-Description: HTML > > > >Question for any one I am considering converting a garage into a > >music room , it is now a 3 car unit if I should convert this is > >there any thing that I should watch for , I do want to prep it for a > >9 to 15 rank organ is there any type of drywall or something that > >will liven the acoustics up , any suggestions > >thanks > >john > >I would suggest that you use a double layer of drywall at least a >1/2' thick screwed tightly with close spacing on the screws to make >the wall as solid as possible. > >David > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : ><http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/>http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: <mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: ><mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org>mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.o >rg   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1220459776=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=3D"us-ascii"   Jon,     The thickest sheetrock I'm aware of is 5/8". Two layers of 1/2" would give you 1" thick which is quite stout. My Swell chamber has this along with a plaster coat, and it is very rigid.     Eric           At 8:17 AM -0500 6/4/01, Jon Calvo wrote:   <excerpt>Content-Type: text/html   Content-Description: HTML     <smaller><smaller>David   this shows my construction skills &frac12; in sheet of sheet rock what if it is a little thicker 3/4 or an 1 in would that make a difference   john     </smaller></smaller>>>> <<mailto:David@blackiris.com>David@blackiris.com 06/01/01 06:12PM >>>   At 12:05 PM -0500 6/1/01, Jon Calvo wrote:   >Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1   >Content-Description: HTML   >   >Question for any one I am considering converting a garage into a   >music room , it is now a 3 car unit if I should convert this is   >there any thing that I should watch for , I do want to prep it for a   >9 to 15 rank organ is there any type of drywall or something that   >will liven the acoustics up , any suggestions   >thanks   >john     I would suggest that you use a double layer of drywall at least a   1/2' thick screwed tightly with close spacing on the screws to make   the wall as solid as possible.     David     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own   Residence Pipe Organs.   HOMEPAGE : <<http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/>http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org   List: <<mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org   Administration: <<mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org>mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org   </excerpt>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1220459776=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Organ layout From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 09:20:45 -0500   --=3D_86DCAB57.741593C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Eric so am I understanding you correctly that =3DBD is enough , I mean all I = =3D want to do is to have a decent sounding room and I also have to look at = =3D this as an investment reg. the house , I want to be able to turn that room = =3D into a guest house or advertise like that sound I sell it but that is down = =3D the road=3D20 john   >>> ess4@psu.edu 06/04/01 08:51AM >>>=3D20 Jon,=3D20   The thickest sheetrock I'm aware of is 5/8". Two layers of 1/2" would=3D20 give you 1" thick which is quite stout. My Swell chamber has this=3D20 along with a plaster coat, and it is very rigid.=3D20   Eric=3D20         At 8:17 AM -0500 6/4/01, Jon Calvo wrote:=3D20 >Content-Type: text/html=3D20 >Content-Description: HTML=3D20 >=3D20 >David=3D20 >this shows my construction skills &frac12; in sheet of sheet rock=3D20 >what if it is a little thicker 3/4 or an 1 in would that make a=3D20 >difference=3D20 >john=3D20 >=3D20 > >>> < mailto:David@blackiris.com > David@blackiris.com 06/01/01 06:12PM = =3D >>>=3D20 >At 12:05 PM -0500 6/1/01, Jon Calvo wrote:=3D20 > >Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D3DISO-8859-1=3D20 > >Content-Description: HTML=3D20 > >=3D20 > >Question for any one I am considering converting a garage into a=3D20 > >music room , it is now a 3 car unit if I should convert this is=3D20 > >there any thing that I should watch for , I do want to prep it for = a=3D20 > >9 to 15 rank organ is there any type of drywall or something that=3D20 > >will liven the acoustics up , any suggestions=3D20 > >thanks=3D20 > >john=3D20 >=3D20 >I would suggest that you use a double layer of drywall at least a=3D20 >1/2' thick screwed tightly with close spacing on the screws to make=3D20 >the wall as solid as possible.=3D20 >=3D20 >David=3D20 >=3D20 >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 >Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 >HOMEPAGE :=3D20 >< http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/ > = http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=3D =3D20 >List: < mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > = mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D =3D20 >Administration:=3D20 >< mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > = mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.o=3D =3D20 >rg=3D20   --=3D_86DCAB57.741593C2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type=3D > <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT: 8pt MS Sans Serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: = =3D 2px"> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>Eric</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>so am I understanding you correctly that&nbsp; =3D &frac12; is=3D20 enough , I mean all I want to do is to have a decent sounding room and I = =3D also=3D20 have to look at this as an investment reg. the house , I want to be able = =3D to turn=3D20 that room into a guest house or advertise like that sound I sell it but = =3D that is=3D20 down the road </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>john</FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:ess4@psu.edu">ess4@psu.edu</A> 06/04/01 08:51AM = &gt;&gt;&gt;=3D =3D20 <BR>Jon, <BR><BR>The thickest sheetrock I'm aware of is 5/8&quot;. Two =3D layers of=3D20 1/2&quot; would <BR>give you 1&quot; thick which is quite stout. My =3D Swell=3D20 chamber has this <BR>along with a plaster coat, and it is very rigid.=3D20 <BR><BR>Eric <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 8:17 AM -0500 6/4/01, Jon Calvo =3D wrote:=3D20 <BR>&gt;Content-Type: text/html <BR>&gt;Content-Description: HTML =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt;David <BR>&gt;this shows my construction skills &amp;frac12; in = =3D sheet of=3D20 sheet rock <BR>&gt;what if it is a little thicker 3/4 or an 1 in would =3D that make=3D20 a <BR>&gt;difference <BR>&gt;john <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<U> = =3D <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:David@blackiris.com">mailto:David@blackiris.com</A></U> = =3D &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:David@blackiris.com">David@blackiris.com</A></U> 06/01/01 = =3D 06:12PM=3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;At 12:05 PM -0500 6/1/01, Jon Calvo wrote: = <BR>&gt;=3D20=3D   &gt;Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D3DISO-8859-1 <BR>&gt;=3D20 &gt;Content-Description: HTML <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;Question for any = =3D one I=3D20 am considering converting a garage into a <BR>&gt; &gt;music room , it is = =3D now a=3D20 3 car unit if I should convert this is <BR>&gt; &gt;there any thing that = =3D I=3D20 should watch for , I do want to prep it for a <BR>&gt; &gt;9 to 15 rank = =3D organ is=3D20 there any type of drywall or something that <BR>&gt; &gt;will liven = the=3D20 acoustics up , any suggestions <BR>&gt; &gt;thanks <BR>&gt; &gt;john =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt;I would suggest that you use a double layer of drywall at least = =3D a=3D20 <BR>&gt;1/2' thick screwed tightly with close spacing on the screws to =3D make=3D20 <BR>&gt;the wall as solid as possible. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;David = <BR>&gt;=3D20 <BR>&gt;DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their = =3D own=3D20 <BR>&gt;Residence Pipe Organs. <BR>&gt;HOMEPAGE : <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg/</A></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;List: &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;Administration: <BR>&gt;&lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A></U>=3D20 &gt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.o">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipecha= t.=3D o</A></U>=3D20 <BR>&gt;rg <BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>   --=3D_86DCAB57.741593C2--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Organ layout From: "Tom Dimock" <tad1@cornell.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 10:32:41 -0400   At 09:20 AM 06/04/2001 -0500, you wrote:   >>>>   <excerpt>Eric   </excerpt>so am I understanding you correctly that &frac12; is enough , I mean all I want to do is to have a decent sounding room and I also have to look at this as an investment reg. the house   <<<<<<<<   Putting on two layers of 1/2" will give you better stiffness, and will make it it noticibly quieter room (isolation from outside noise) if you end up using it for another purpose...   >>>>       ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -   Tom Dimock ---- Cornell University ---- tad1@cornell.edu   "There go my people. I must follow them, for I am their leader." M. = Gandhi  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Organ layout From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:55:41 EDT     --part1_d3.15b3d85d.284cfb6d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   High, happy Monday! Or not. I built a small room next to the big music = room. It is behind the screen behind the Gemshorn bases. On the walls I placed masonite.There were bare ceiling joist, the ceiling is the roof joist in = the attic. It gets hot up in there. So I put foam and then glass insulation = for insulating and then the masonited every flat surface. I still need to put masonite on the jyped walls. This room is on the slab level below and up = the first roof level. The 16'reed's are going to hide in there. I am waiting = for 1 boot assembly, and to mount the regulator and run tin wind lines. Now if I could only find a 32'reed to fit under the 12' foot ceiling hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm. Off to work.ave a good day all. Dennis   --part1_d3.15b3d85d.284cfb6d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>High, happy Monday! = &nbsp;Or not. I built a small room next to the big music room. <BR>It is behind the screen behind the Gemshorn bases. On the walls I = placed <BR>masonite.There were bare ceiling joist, the ceiling is the roof joist = in the <BR>attic. It gets hot up in there. So I put foam and then glass = insulation for <BR>insulating and then the masonited every flat surface. I still need to = put <BR>masonite on the jyped walls. This room is on the slab level below and = up the <BR>first roof level. The 16'reed's are going to hide in there. I am = waiting for <BR>1 boot assembly, and to mount the regulator and run tin wind lines. <BR>Now if I could only find a 32'reed to fit under the 12' foot ceiling <BR>hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>Off to work.ave a good day all. <BR>Dennis</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d3.15b3d85d.284cfb6d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Acoustics From: "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:06:19 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00A8_01C0ED07.E91E3980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi   Re. my earlier reply - I didn't meant to give the impression that huge =3D amounts of absorption would make an organ (or any music instrument) =3D sound better! :-)   That's why I suggested the book - that gives info. on optimum reverb =3D times, etc - and ways of dealing the problems of standing waves, etc =3D which can be a menace in small(ish) rooms. I also mentioned bookshelves = =3D as being a cheap and practical way of providing a small amount of =3D absorption and a lot of diffusion. :-)   Sorry for any confusion.   Tony.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00A8_01C0ED07.E91E3980 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hi</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Re. my earlier reply - I didn't meant = =3D to give the=3D20 impression that huge amounts of absorption would make an organ (or any =3D music=3D20 instrument) sound better!&nbsp; :-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>That's why I suggested the book - = that =3D gives info.=3D20 on optimum reverb times, etc - and ways of dealing the problems of =3D standing=3D20 waves, etc which can be a menace in small(ish) rooms.&nbsp; I also =3D mentioned=3D20 bookshelves as being a cheap and practical way of providing a small =3D amount of=3D20 absorption and a lot of diffusion. :-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Sorry for any confusion.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D size=3D3D2>Tony.</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00A8_01C0ED07.E91E3980--