DIYAPASON-L Digest #272 - Friday, March 2, 2001
 
Re: Spencer blower problem resolved
  by <TheGluePot@aol.com>
16' open to 32' stopped
  by "Richard Schneider, President" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  16' open to 32' stopped
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Unknown organ player
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Unknown organ player
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
32' stopped Questions Answered
  by "Richard Schneider, President" <arpncorn@davesworld.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Spencer blower problem resolved From: <TheGluePot@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 00:33:44 EST   << On a slightly different note, has anyone tried to replace a 1/2 HP = Century motor (huge by today's standards) with a modern motor? "Continuous duty" factors may come into play here...the large size of this old motor may actually be a plus. > Thanks. >>   Take good care of a Century Motor and it will still be running another century from now. I don't think I could say the same about a new motor replacement today. Keep the Century and just service it properly.   Al Sefl  
(back) Subject: 16' open to 32' stopped From: "Richard Schneider, President" <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 10:12:50 -0600   > At 6:25 PM -0500 2/25/01, Robert Pelletier wrote:   > A few days ago, there was a discussion on converting > 16' open woods to 32' stopped pipes. One recurring > comment was that the bottom 3-4 pipes might be too > short to allow for a tuning cap. Has anyone tried making > 32' rohrflutes instead of 32' bourdons? Maybe the chimney > could provide the extra speaking length?   I know this is now an old thread, but I wanted to make some comments. I've been too busy to follow the discussions closely.   I have now done two such conversions, and while it is true that the pipes are too short to speak the correct pitch because of the usual tuning slot, we've found that with a biscuit joiner and some lumber, the pipes are able to be lengthened enough to obtain the correct pitch.   What we usually do is to saw off the face at the top of the pipe to just below the bottom of the tuning slot, and take a corresponding amount off of the back. We leave the sides as long as possible; allowing them to protrude a good foot or so beyond the top of the front and back sides. This then allows us to "key" the extension pieces onto the pipe for mechanical strength.   We then cut a spline joint on the top of the two sides with the biscuit cutter, key in the spline and glue on the extension, with a "dummy" block which replicates the inside dimension at the very top. After this dries, we then cut the two shorter pieces for the front and back, spline the top of the edges and the sides, and glue those two pieces on, so that when we're done, the top of the pipe is uniformly long.   We've found it helpful to cut a steep bevel on the inside perimeter of the pipe top to facilitate "stuffing" the stopper into the pipe. After this is cut, the inside is glue-sized and the outside is finished to match whatever the existing finish procedure was. In one case, we used clear poly on the entire pipe after sanding it down, and in other, we used some "Moller Orange" which we had custom-matched in a paint store from a piece of wood so finished we took in.   The latest OSI prices for a 32' stop run around $15,300.00 for 12 pipes. We can do a LOT of work on the conversion and still have a bunch of money left over by the procedure we use. We figure we can sell a complete converted stop for around $8,000.00, ready to play.   I hope this information is helpful to someone. . . Faithfully,   Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston St. P. O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com Business EMAIL rnjs@bwsys.net Personal EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com Web Page URL  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] 16' open to 32' stopped From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 11:37:38 -0500   >The latest OSI prices for a 32' stop run around $15,300.00 for 12 >pipes. We can do a LOT of work on the conversion and still have a bunch >of money left over by the procedure we use. We figure we can sell a >complete converted stop for around $8,000.00, ready to play. > >I hope this information is helpful to someone. . .   Richard, this is interesting info. Now what is the cost or value of a 16' open? I often see them going begging for a buyer. Is it just a matter of being in the right place at the right time? Of course shipping is costly too, but how much could that run?   Curious...   John V      
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Unknown organ player From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:58:37 -0800   Hi, Mike. I sent this to both lists simultaneously, and have gotten helpful replies from both, thank you!   At 14:35 03/01/2001 -0600, mblackwell@wallace.com wrote: >Try asking over at MMD (www.foxtail.com). There's quite a bit of >accumulated knowledge there about things "player".     Regards, Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA NAWCC 140818 http://www.jps.net/rrloesch alternate mailto:cuckoobob@eudoramail.com    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Unknown organ player From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 09:58:37 -0800   Hi, Mike. I sent this to both lists simultaneously, and have gotten helpful replies from both, thank you!   At 14:35 03/01/2001 -0600, mblackwell@wallace.com wrote: >Try asking over at MMD (www.foxtail.com). There's quite a bit of >accumulated knowledge there about things "player".     Regards, Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA NAWCC 140818 http://www.jps.net/rrloesch alternate mailto:cuckoobob@eudoramail.com    
(back) Subject: 32' stopped Questions Answered From: "Richard Schneider, President" <arpncorn@davesworld.net> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 13:10:34 -0600   John Vanderlee wrote: > Richard, this is interesting info. Now what is the cost or value of a = 16' > open? I often see them going begging for a buyer. Is it just a matter of > being in the right place at the right time? Of course shipping is costly > too, but how much could that run? > Curious... One of the sets that got converted was from a 1929 Bennett organ that we had removed back in the early 1980's from a Masonic Temple. There was water damage to the organ, but fortunately, these monsters were spared. The second set came from a 1920's Moller that has gone back into the same instrument as a 32' Subbass. Curiously, after all was said and done, we decided to add back a 16' Open as a "Basso Profundo", but somewhat smaller in scale than the original. . .   Currently, I have 2 possible sets of pipes in my warehouse for Conversion, and have been approached numerous times to take away several others. The biggest problem obtaining suitable sets (for us, anyway) is warehousing them, plus the time to send a crew and the 24' Truck in order to retrieve them.   We would probably arrange to deliver the pipes ourselves if someone wanted a set. Depending on the distance, the trucking could run a thousand or two (considering the cost of fuel these days!), but if the pipes were needing to be shipped, they'd have to either go by way of a mover or crated to go Carrier to prevent the one-eyed Cyclops who are usually only one step up from a Chicken that impersonate truck drivers from destroying them wholesale.   That would be an expensive bunch of kindling!   Faithfully,   Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders 41-43 Johnston St. P. O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com Business EMAIL rnjs@bwsys.net Personal EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com Web Page URL