DIYAPASON-L Digest #277 - Thursday, March 8, 2001
 
RE: [Residence Organs]  building windchests
  by <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  building windchests
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  building windchests
  by "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@untraveledroad.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  adding ranks to an existing organ
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  building windchests
  by <RDoer30176@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  building windchests
  by "Tom Dimock" <tad1@cornell.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  adding ranks to an existing organ
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  organ specs
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  organ specs
  by "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  organ specs
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  organ specs
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  organ specs
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Wind Conductor Sizing Question
  by "Dave McClellan" <drmc@speedfactory.net>
Re:  Wind Conductor Sizing Question
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Fw: [Residence Organs]  Wind Conductor Sizing Question
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
 

(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] building windchests From: <DEMPAR1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 01:54:42 EST   Steve Pitts writes:   What commonly made tool could be used for creating the tapered holes on a toe-board?     Try a router.  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] building windchests From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 08:04:33 -0600   At 04:58 PM 3/7/01 -0600, you wrote: > >What commonly made tool could be used for creating the tapered holes on a >toe-board? >   Hello, everyone!   At our shop, we don't burn toeholes. Smaller ones are created with Weldon Countersinks, after the actual 'hole' is drilled in the new toeboard. These are available in a wide range of sizes which will produce up to approx a 2" OD toehole (appx. 1 1/4" boring). The tools are not common hardware store items, and are not necessarily cheap to purchase, but they *are* available if you search for them and they do an *excellent* job.   For larger holes (pedal pipes, etc), we bore the hole and chamfer with a router.   I have used the burning-stone method before, and would caution anyone = using this method to make certain there is water handy, and good ventilation. Burning bits of sawdust and pitch get flung everywhere, potentially creating quite a flammable hazard if not paid attention to. Also, copious amounts of smoke.   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR      
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] building windchests From: "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@untraveledroad.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 07:13:18 -0700   Tim,   I would love to know where to buy larger countersinks. The biggest I have been able to find is 3/4".   Kelvin     >At 04:58 PM 3/7/01 -0600, you wrote: >> >>What commonly made tool could be used for creating the tapered holes on = a >>toe-board? >> > >Hello, everyone! > >At our shop, we don't burn toeholes. Smaller ones are created with = Weldon >Countersinks, after the actual 'hole' is drilled in the new toeboard. >These are available in a wide range of sizes which will produce up to >approx a 2" OD toehole (appx. 1 1/4" boring). The tools are not common >hardware store items, and are not necessarily cheap to purchase, but they >*are* available if you search for them and they do an *excellent* job. > >For larger holes (pedal pipes, etc), we bore the hole and chamfer with a >router. > >I have used the burning-stone method before, and would caution anyone = using >this method to make certain there is water handy, and good ventilation. >Burning bits of sawdust and pitch get flung everywhere, potentially >creating quite a flammable hazard if not paid attention to. Also, = copious >amounts of smoke. > >Tim Bovard >Little Rock AR > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] adding ranks to an existing organ From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:02:36 -0600       How difficult is it to add ranks to an existing organ? I want to = eventually have a residence organ of about 8 to 10 ranks.I will probably buy a 4 to 5 rank organ in the near future since organs of this size are typicaly available on COT and TO classifieds .Larger organs for sale (in my price range) are not common.3, 4 and 5 rank organs show up all the time for sale So, I think I would have to be able to expand an instrument to reach my goal.I am not too worried about getting a larger blower, or expanding the winding,there are lots of blowers for sale.There are also lots of ranks = for sale.I already have 4 complete ranks and windchests that I would like to incorporate into an organ.I am concerned that trying to add ranks to the switching mechanisms might be very difficult, especially on older 1920 and 1930 organs.I am guessing that the switching mechanism on an organ is usually designed to support exactly the number of ranks it comes with and = no more.I am also concerned that adding stops to a small console designed for = 4 or 5 ranks might be hard to do as well.I could almost imagine that I might end up having to completely rework the console and switching electronics = to do this.I know several people on the list have encountered this issue.I am not afraid of doing a lot of work.I just want to take a practical approach.Could any one share some experiences or feedback about this idea?  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] building windchests From: <RDoer30176@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:21:26 EST   In a message dated 3/8/01 6:14:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, KelvinSmith@untraveledroad.com writes:   Hi All   Suppliers of machine milling cutters, drills and etc. Sell countersinks = in 82, 90 and 60 degree angles. W. W. Grainger may have them?   Russ > Tim, > > I would love to know where to buy larger countersinks. The biggest I = have > been able to find is 3/4". > > Kelvin > >  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] building windchests From: "Tom Dimock" <tad1@cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:48:35 -0500   >> I would love to know where to buy larger countersinks. The biggest I = have >> been able to find is 3/4".   MSC <www.mscdirect.com> has pages of countersinks. On page 160 of their catalog they list HSS Single Flute Countersinks in sizes up to 2", with your choice of 60, 82, 90, or 100 degrees. Not really cheap - even the less expensive import version of the 2" countersink is $65.57 (and it has = a 3/4" shank, which you may have a problem with). On the next page they = have a 3" countersink for the low (not!) price of $268.72! A 2" countersink = with a 1/2" shank made by Cleveland Twist Drill will set you back a cool = $130.95.   MSC is a nice company to deal with, and their catalog will show you all sorts of stuff that you desparately need, but didn't even know existed.... :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Tom Dimock ---- Cornell University ---- tad1@cornell.edu "There go my people. I must follow them, for I am their leader." M. = Gandhi  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] adding ranks to an existing organ From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:14:56 -0500   As I've done with my 7-rank WurliTzer, if there are any spare contact = wires on the relays, use those for additional ranks or percussions. I added two ranks by doing this.   Relay wiring is tedious, and one has to keep the wiring in order, but it's the way to do it.   Rick    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] organ specs From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:53:35 -0600   I was given these specs on an Organ I might purchase.I was told it is a 5 rank Organ.Somehow I am not seeing how this is a 5 rank Organ.I would = think it would have to be at least 7 ranks since there are evidently 7 different 8 Ft Stops.I hope it is 7 ranks.I can imagine that the 4ft Violina is borrowed from the 8 ft Salicional and the 4 ft Flute D'Amour is borrowed from the 8 ft Hohl Flote.Maybe my logic is flawed.(probably)....could any one offer any guesses as to how many ranks this Organ might be from the specs?   Swell to Pedal 8' Swell to Pedal 4' Great to Pedal 8' Great to Pedal 4' SWELL...... Gedeckt 8', Salicional 8', Celeste 8', Flute D'Amour 4', Oboe 8" Tremold Swell to Swell 16' Swell Unison Swell to Swell 4' GREAT... Principal 8', Hohl Flote 8', Dolce 8', Violina 4' Swell to Great 16' Swell to Great 8' Swell to Great 4' Great to Great 16' Great Unison Great to Great 4'            
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] organ specs From: "Larry Chace" <rlc1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:06:21 -0500   Steve Pitts asked about a "5 rank" instrument. Eliminating the couplers, we see:   Great: Principal 8' A Hohl Flote 8' B Dolce 8' C Violina 4' D   Swell: Gedeckt 8' B Salicional 8' D Celeste 8' E Flute D'Amour 4' B Oboe 8' D(8') + B (2-2/3')   Pedal: ???   With the letters I've shown *one* way in which this could be a 5-rank instrument. Lest anyone complain, some companies *did* use both names (Hohlflute and Gedeckt) for the very same rank, even though the names suggest that they might be different.   Steve, ask the owner for the details! Find out how the unification is = done -- is it via sliders at the back of the keyboards, or is it via a separate =   relay box? etc. etc. etc.   Off hand, this seems a tad strange, suggesting that the original = instrument might not have come from one of the major builders. Still, it could be = the basis for something interesting.   Larry Chace    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] organ specs From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:20:12 -0600   I left out the Pedal Stops......You said that HohlFlote and Gedeckt may be the same....thats exactly the kind of info I was looking for.     I was given these specs on an Organ I might purchase.I was told it is a 5 rank Organ.Somehow I am not seeing how this is a 5 rank Organ.I would = think it would have to be at least 7 ranks since there are evidently 7 different 8 Ft Stops.I hope it is 7 ranks.I can imagine that the 4ft Violina is borrowed from the 8 ft Salicional and the 4 ft Flute D'Amour is borrowed from the 8 ft Hohl Flote.Maybe my logic is flawed.(probably)....could any one offer any guesses as to how many ranks this Organ might be from the specs?     PEDAL........ Bourdon 16' Flute 8'   SWELL...... Gedeckt 8', Salicional 8', Celeste 8', Flute D'Amour 4', Oboe 8" Tremold GREAT... Principal 8', Hohl Flote 8', Dolce 8', Violina 4'        
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] organ specs From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:25:47 -0600   By the way, I do know that this Organ is supposed to be a 5 rank Estey.      
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] organ specs From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 15:39:36 -0600   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Reg. Estey did they make stock models organ you know like wicks and there = fuga 4 rank , kilgen and there harmonic ensemble did estey do any of that   >>> steve.pitts@adtran.com 03/08/01 03:25PM >>> By the way, I do know that this Organ is supposed to be a 5 rank Estey.       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=20      
(back) Subject: Wind Conductor Sizing Question From: "Dave McClellan" <drmc@speedfactory.net> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:34:36 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C0A7FE.6D7B41E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Is there some formula or guideline for sizing wind conductors (sorry if = =3D that is not the proper term)? I need to locate the blower in my garage. = =3D The only possible placement (allowing for parking cars etc.) means a =3D run of 30+ feet up and over an entrance door, back down, through a wall = =3D into a closet, through the floor, ... you get the idea. I have the AIO = =3D tape on windlines and hardtack, etc. That is way beyond my =3D capabilities. I really will have to use some sort of flexible tubing, =3D or possibly PVC. The wind needs of the organ are about 750 CFM at =3D 3.75". The blower is a 2hp Zephyr. Can I possibly get away with using = =3D 8" (or hopefully 6") flexible tubing between the blower in the garage =3D and the reservoirs in the basement (erecting room)? =3D20   Thanks     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C0A7FE.6D7B41E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Is there some formula or guideline = for =3D sizing wind=3D20 conductors (sorry if that is not the proper term)?&nbsp; I need to =3D locate the=3D20 blower in my garage.&nbsp; The only possible placement (allowing for =3D parking=3D20 cars etc.) means a run of 30+ feet up and over an entrance door, back =3D down,=3D20 through a wall into a closet, through the floor, ... you get the =3D idea.&nbsp; I=3D20 have the AIO tape on windlines and hardtack, etc.&nbsp; That is way =3D beyond my=3D20 capabilities.&nbsp; I really will have to use some sort of flexible =3D tubing, or=3D20 possibly PVC.&nbsp; The wind needs of the organ are about 750 CFM at=3D20 3.75".&nbsp; The blower is a 2hp Zephyr.&nbsp; Can I possibly get away =3D with=3D20 using 8" (or hopefully 6") flexible tubing between the blower in the =3D garage and=3D20 the reservoirs in the basement (erecting room)?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C0A7FE.6D7B41E0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Wind Conductor Sizing Question From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:17:55 -0600   Dave asks about running a long length of flexible windline for his = instrument.   Without any math to back it up, I'll suggest that you run 6 or 8" thinwall PVC to your chamber. Flexhaust is shaped inside the same as it is outside the tube -- all those peaks and valleys end up creating a large amount of drag on the air flowing inside, which accumulates over long runs. The end result: you need much larger diameter flex line to run long distances and still get the proper amount of wind flowing through. 6" S&D PVC is smooth and clear inside though, and offers nearly no resistance comparitively. Use lots of PVC cement on the joints, and you shouldn't have leakage problems.   If you are concerned that one 6" line might not be enough to feed the organ, consider running more than one line from the blower (for each reservior, or whatever). The long runs should only serve to help smooth and cool the wind from the blower. Consider installing a static regulator at the blower in the garage for even better regulation of the wind. (it'll look neat in the corner when 'ya pull in with the car!)   Thinwall PVC is available at any home center, usually in 3", 4", and 6" diameters. It's easy to work with, lightweight, and looks neat and professional when installed. Terminating the PVC at chests and components can be done via standard cast metal flanges, or via special PVC flanges, made and sold by Organ Supply Industries. OSI also sells certain particularly useful elbows and fittings sometimes not commonly found in home centers.   Hope this helps --   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR        
(back) Subject: Fw: [Residence Organs] Wind Conductor Sizing Question From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:50:49 -0500   Whatever is the output opening on your blower, go with that up, over, = around and under to your regulators in the swellbox. My blower is 10" output diameter, and I have that in galvanized duct up to the second floor pipe chamber with a canvas sock at the blower end.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave McClellan <drmc@speedfactory.net> To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 9:34 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] Wind Conductor Sizing Question     Is there some formula or guideline for sizing wind conductors (sorry if = that is not the proper term)? I need to locate the blower in my garage. The only possible placement (allowing for parking cars etc.) means a run of = 30+ feet up and over an entrance door, back down, through a wall into a = closet, through the floor, ... you get the idea. I have the AIO tape on windlines and hardtack, etc. That is way beyond my capabilities. I really will = have to use some sort of flexible tubing, or possibly PVC. The wind needs of = the organ are about 750 CFM at 3.75". The blower is a 2hp Zephyr. Can I possibly get away with using 8" (or hopefully 6") flexible tubing between the blower in the garage and the reservoirs in the basement (erecting = room)?   Thanks