DIYAPASON-L Digest #332 - Tuesday, May 29, 2001
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Jon Calvo needs to connect an old	solid staterela
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Enclosures
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Jon Calvo needs to connect an old	solid  staterel
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Jon Calvo needs to connect an old solid staterelay From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:46:16 -0500   --=3D_D68CF33E.4D2CA623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Dear David I have just told a friend of mine that cares for my organ , about the SSL = =3D relay there are several things that he told me to watch for , I began to = =3D describe the relay to him and he knew what I was talking about , and told = =3D me to steer clear of it not because of the age but because the was when = =3D SSL as a whole was in its infancy , and if any thing went wrong with the = =3D unit they were not the easiest to repair , and the seller of the unit has = =3D told me that there are some existing problems with the unit , but nothing = =3D that could not be fixed , so what Tim. told me to do it just stick with my = =3D original plan to find other older Klann or wicks switching , he said it = =3D may be older but atlest you don't have to guess what is wrong with the =3D older switching most of the time you can see what is not doing its job and = =3D for my sake if I can see what is not happening on small stuff I can =3D sometimes fix what needs repair , how ever having a friend like Tim. is a = =3D God Send , what I may consider a good buy he might tell me to run away =3D from it ,=3D20 so the long and the short of this I am not buying this , I am just =3D continuing my search for additional wicks or Klan , rinser switching=3D20 thanks for your concern=3D20 john   >>> d.doerschuk@att.net 05/25/01 11:49PM >>>=3D20 Hullo folks!=3D20   Jon Calvo < jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us > asked about using an older solid =3D state=3D20 relay with older Wicks/Austin stop tabs. In a followup post, he = added:=3D20 "the manufacturer of the relay is Solid State Logic, ... my main concern = =3D is=3D20 will this 1972 relay work with Wicks switching? They are the double =3D magnet=3D20 switches, and probably do use a lot of current to activate...can this=3D20 marriage work?"=3D20   Jon, a 1972 SSL relay would have been an early version of SSL's Diode=3D20 Coupling System. These are built to spec at the SSL factory and = aren't=3D20 supposed to be re-configurable in the field. I'm worried that the=3D20 particular relay you've got may not have an appropriate configuration =3D for=3D20 your organ. I looked at the SSL web page, and Alan Bragg is their=3D20 applications engineer. You might want to give him a call at = (703)933-0024,=3D =3D20 or email alanbr@solid-state-logic.com to see if your relay has the =3D right=3D20 "layout" for your organ.=3D20   The answer to your double-magnet question is almost certainly that it =3D will=3D20 work. I am not familiar with Wicks' magnets (help, someone! :-) but the = =3D SSL=3D20 system will have no trouble with at least down to 30 ohm magnets (1/2 amp = =3D at=3D20 15 Volts DC). The idea of there being two magnets is not as unfortunate = =3D as=3D20 you might think: first, only one magnet is ever on at a given time =3D (you're=3D20 either enabling or disabling the stop, not both simultaneously) and =3D second,=3D20 the two magnets are run by separate outputs from the relay so the load =3D of=3D20 one magnet has almost nothing to do with the load of the other.=3D20   Really, I'd give Alan Bragg a call. Wicks is, of course, a very well =3D known=3D20 and prolific company and I'm sure SSL has had dealings with Wicks' = stop=3D20 action magnets before.=3D20   All the best of luck!=3D20 David Doerschuk=3D20       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 Residence Pipe Organs.=3D20 HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org=3D20 List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org=3D20   --=3D_D68CF33E.4D2CA623 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type=3D > <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT: 8pt MS Sans Serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: = =3D 2px"> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>Dear David</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>I have just told a friend of mine that cares for my = =3D organ ,=3D20 about the SSL relay there are several things that he told me to watch for = =3D , I=3D20 began to describe the relay to him and he knew what I was talking about , = =3D and=3D20 told me to steer clear of it not because of the age but because the was = =3D when SSL=3D20 as a whole was in its infancy , and if any thing went wrong with the unit = =3D they=3D20 were not the easiest to repair , and the seller of the unit has told me = =3D that=3D20 there are some existing problems with the unit , but nothing that could = =3D not be=3D20 fixed , so what Tim. told me to do it just stick with my original plan to = =3D find=3D20 other older Klann or wicks switching , he said it may be older but atlest = =3D you=3D20 don't have to guess what is wrong with the older switching most of the =3D time you=3D20 can see what is not doing its job and for my sake if I can see what is =3D not=3D20 happening on small stuff I can sometimes fix what needs repair , how ever = =3D having=3D20 a friend like Tim. is a God Send , what I may consider a good buy he might = =3D tell=3D20 me to run away from it , </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>so the long and the short of this I am not buying = this =3D , I am=3D20 just continuing my search for additional wicks or Klan&nbsp; , rinser =3D switching=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>thanks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>for your concern </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>john</FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:d.doerschuk@att.net">d.doerschuk@att.net</A> 05/25/01 =3D 11:49PM=3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt; <BR>Hullo folks! <BR><BR>Jon Calvo &lt;<U> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us">jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us</A></U> = =3D &gt; asked=3D20 about using an older solid state <BR>relay with older Wicks/Austin stop = =3D tabs. In=3D20 a followup post, he added: <BR>&quot;the manufacturer of the relay is =3D Solid=3D20 State Logic, ... my main concern is <BR>will this 1972 relay work with =3D Wicks=3D20 switching? They are the double magnet <BR>switches, and probably do use a = =3D lot of=3D20 current to activate...can this <BR>marriage work?&quot; <BR><BR>Jon, a =3D 1972 SSL=3D20 relay would have been an early version of SSL's Diode <BR>Coupling System. = =3D These=3D20 are built to spec at the SSL factory and aren't <BR>supposed to be=3D20 re-configurable in the field. I'm worried that the <BR>particular relay = =3D you've=3D20 got may not have an appropriate configuration for <BR>your organ. I looked = =3D at=3D20 the SSL web page, and Alan Bragg is their <BR>applications engineer. You = =3D might=3D20 want to give him a call at (703)933-0024, <BR>or email <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:alanbr@solid-state-logic.com">alanbr@solid-state-logic.com= </=3D A></U>=3D20 to see if your relay has the right <BR>&quot;layout&quot; for your =3D organ.=3D20 <BR><BR>The answer to your double-magnet question is almost certainly that = =3D it=3D20 will <BR>work. I am not familiar with Wicks' magnets (help, someone! :-) = =3D but the=3D20 SSL <BR>system will have no trouble with at least down to 30 ohm magnets = =3D (1/2=3D20 amp at <BR>15 Volts DC). The idea of there being two magnets is not = as=3D20 unfortunate as <BR>you might think: first, only one magnet is ever on at a = =3D given=3D20 time (you're <BR>either enabling or disabling the stop, not both = simultaneo=3D usly)=3D20 and second, <BR>the two magnets are run by separate outputs from the relay = =3D so=3D20 the load of <BR>one magnet has almost nothing to do with the load of the = =3D other.=3D20 <BR><BR>Really, I'd give Alan Bragg a call. Wicks is, of course, a very = =3D well=3D20 known <BR>and prolific company and I'm sure SSL has had dealings with =3D Wicks'=3D20 stop <BR>action magnets before. <BR><BR>All the best of luck! = <BR>David=3D20 Doerschuk <BR><BR><BR><BR>DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and = =3D builders=3D20 of their own <BR>Residence Pipe Organs. <BR>HOMEPAGE : <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A></U>=3D20 <BR>List: <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ></U>=3D20 <BR>Administration: <U><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A></U>=3D20 <BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>   --=3D_D68CF33E.4D2CA623--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Enclosures From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:21:52 EDT     --part1_71.d98b299.28450a80_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I will take some and then the chief engineer (my wife) can scan them and = put them on the tube or I can send you picture pictures for your project. Dennis   --part1_71.d98b299.28450a80_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I will take some and = then the chief engineer (my wife) can scan them and put <BR>them on the tube or I can send you picture pictures for your project. <BR>Dennis</FONT></HTML>   --part1_71.d98b299.28450a80_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Jon Calvo needs to connect an old solid staterelay From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:36:43 -0400   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1220968290=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ; format=3D"flowed"   Jon,   I get the feeling too that it would be too much of a mess to try and incorporate this relay. Also it seems there is still some confusion for some, as to the actual capability of this relay. I think the double magnets you mentioned make it appear as though the relay is capable of driving your Combination Action SAMS, when you mentioned earlier that it was only for driving pipe ranks. Oh well, maybe you can find more mechanical switching to go along with your existing relay.   Wishing you success in your venture, Eric     At 8:46 AM -0500 5/29/01, Jon Calvo wrote: >Content-Type: text/html >Content-Description: HTML > >Dear David >I have just told a friend of mine that cares for my organ , about >the SSL relay there are several things that he told me to watch for >, I began to describe the relay to him and he knew what I was >talking about , and told me to steer clear of it not because of the >age but because the was when SSL as a whole was in its infancy , and >if any thing went wrong with the unit they were not the easiest to >repair , and the seller of the unit has told me that there are some >existing problems with the unit , but nothing that could not be >fixed , so what Tim. told me to do it just stick with my original >plan to find other older Klann or wicks switching , he said it may >be older but atlest you don't have to guess what is wrong with the >older switching most of the time you can see what is not doing its >job and for my sake if I can see what is not happening on small >stuff I can sometimes fix what needs repair , how ever having a >friend like Tim. is a God Send , what I may consider a good buy he >might tell me to run away from it , >so the long and the short of this I am not buying this , I am just >continuing my search for additional wicks or Klan , rinser switching >thanks >for your concern >john > > >Really, I'd give Alan Bragg a call. Wicks is, of course, a very well = known >and prolific company and I'm sure SSL has had dealings with Wicks' stop >action magnets before. > >All the best of luck! >David Doerschuk >   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1220968290=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=3D"us-ascii"   Jon,     I get the feeling too that it would be too much of a mess to try and incorporate this relay. Also it seems there is still some confusion for some, as to the actual capability of this relay. I think the double magnets you mentioned make it appear as though the relay is capable of driving your Combination Action SAMS, when you mentioned earlier that it was only for driving pipe ranks.   Oh well, maybe you can find more mechanical switching to go along with your existing relay.     Wishing you success in your venture,   Eric       At 8:46 AM -0500 5/29/01, Jon Calvo wrote:   <excerpt>Content-Type: text/html   Content-Description: HTML     <smaller><smaller>Dear David   I have just told a friend of mine that cares for my organ , about the SSL relay there are several things that he told me to watch for , I began to describe the relay to him and he knew what I was talking about , and told me to steer clear of it not because of the age but because the was when SSL as a whole was in its infancy , and if any thing went wrong with the unit they were not the easiest to repair , and the seller of the unit has told me that there are some existing problems with the unit , but nothing that could not be fixed , so what Tim. told me to do it just stick with my original plan to find other older Klann or wicks switching , he said it may be older but atlest you don't have to guess what is wrong with the older switching most of the time you can see what is not doing its job and for my sake if I can see what is not happening on small stuff I can sometimes fix what needs repair , how ever having a friend like Tim. is a God Send , what I may consider a good buy he might tell me to run away from it ,   so the long and the short of this I am not buying this , I am just continuing my search for additional wicks or Klan , rinser switching   thanks   for your concern   john       </smaller></smaller>Really, I'd give Alan Bragg a call. Wicks is, of course, a very well known   and prolific company and I'm sure SSL has had dealings with Wicks' stop   action magnets before.     All the best of luck!   David Doerschuk     </excerpt>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1220968290=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--