DIYAPASON-L Digest #429 - Monday, November 5, 2001
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Diapasons and voicing
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Re: my project (complete message)
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  (no subject)
  by <Jadams4122@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: my project (complete message)
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
my own monster
  by "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Electrical...
  by "John Haskey" <johnh@haskey.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Electrical...
  by "ATOS" <atos@stirlingprop.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  (no subject)
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Re:  my own monster
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Electrical...
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Electrical...
  by "Jon" <sparky@CEINetworks.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Electrical...
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Matters Electrical from someone who's on both sides of the fence...
  by "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Choices of Electrical Service Equipment Brands to select from.
  by "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Cost Differential between 60 and 100 amp electrical services
  by "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Diapasons and voicing From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 01:59:22 EST     In a message dated 11/4/01 9:27:25 PM, arpschneider@starband.net writes:   >Jimmy wrote: > >> Usually older 8' diapasons are a bit louder than the rest of the   >One thing which I think is most important for would-be (and >current!) Residence Organ enthusiasts to do is to try to >allow funding to have their completed residence organ voiced >by a professional organbuilder who is not only a skilled >voicer, but one who is also skilled at the art of re-voicing >existing ranks of pipework.   Lucky for me I have one lined up locally :) coworker William Ayres is highly skilled and competant voicer and friend = of mine. He doesn't play the organ but plays the trombone, so we have been working on organ/trombone music together. His voicing may take 2 days to go over a rank and make it all perfect, he mentioned a supply house voicer who he talked to once at a convention who asked how long he is allowed to voice, seems the supply place only allows voicers 7 hours to voice an entire rank of pipes including cutups and = everyt hing! They also have two voicers work on one rank together starting at one =   end each and working to the middle, and Bill says he can tell where the = one voicer left off and the other started...     >A good voicer should be able to work with anything in good >physical condition, provided that the scales of the pipes >are reasonable. Obviously, a huge 38 scale Diapason is >going to blow you into the back yard from your living room, >but even more moderate-scaled stops can be too loud.   I am happy to have my large pedal bourdon, I believe it is #1 scale -1, = Low C is 10" by 11-3/4" outside, and Reuter used 1-1/8" thick lumber, nice = heavy stock! The Moller pedal bourdon which will become maybe a Lieb Ged, low = C is 10-1/2" by 8-3/4" using 3/4" boards is roughly an OSI #2 scale I have the bottom octave of the Reuter bourdons all mounted on two chests, =   with c,c# and d having to stand on the floor and be hosed, the chests were = in nice condition and only needed cleaning and rewiring. Going to wind them = with a 4" pvc line to the floor underneath and then 3" to the chests which is = what the original inlet holes are. Took some photos of them, should have some in a week to share hopefully.     Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Re: my project (complete message) From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 08:38:07 -0600     List: much to my dismay, I discovered that half my previous posting was = chopped off....I am resending it with the hopes that the happy ending will = be included this time.....   I have been seriously looking for an organ to buy for about a year. I = wanted something a little larger than the typical 3- 5 rank organs which = appear in the internet adds.I also considered trying to build an organ = from parts that I had accumulated. Anyway, unexpectedly, I received an = e-mail from the music director of Our Lady of Perpetual Help in Carrolton, Georgia = informing me that they were trying to sell their pipe organ. All the other = organs I had seen for sale were a long way from Alabama. Since this one = was so close I decided it wouldn't hurt to spend an afternoon to go and = see it. Dave McClellan from Atlanta arranged to join me at the church and together we = took a look at the organ. I was really impressed, but I thought it was way = too big for a home project. The organ was basically a 25 rank straight = organ. It had 4 divisions including 2 8ft open diapasons, 3 16ft pedal = stops, 2 nice reeds and a 3 manual console. There were 5 reservoirs and two blowers = including an enormous one which had a wall built around it. The relay box = is about 9 ft long and 4 ft high. Much to my amazement , things somehow = worked out and I the church actually accepted my offer for the instrument. Moving the organ was spread out over a time period of 2 months. I made = about 10 trips out to the church in my truck, occasionally with a U-haul = trailer and once with a big U-haul truck. Dave McClellan provided = technical assistance and labor throughout the process. The two of us did = almost all the removal work. I had never removed an organ before, so I was really glad to = have his help.Fortunately we did get some help moving some of the heavy = items from the church staff. The big 6 rank Choir Division chest took 6 = people to lower down from the balconey.Michael Procia, who built the = organ, also provided some much appreciated advice and help. During the removal = process, I really began to appreciate the work Michael did to install this = organ.No doubt , the removal process was a really big job, but it wasn't = as bad as I thought it might be. The folks at the church were very helpful = in providing access for us and some good help from time to time, and a lot of = it was just plain fun. I ended up selling the 6 rank Choir division, since = the chest was so large and most of its resources were duplicates of = resources on other divisions of the organ.Now, 18 ranks of pipework are = stored in my rental house, about half of it is racked up on chests in my living room = just for looks. The 16ft Bourdons are stacked in the floor next to the = kitchen table. There are pipes in just about every room in the house. The = console , reservoirs , relay box and some chests are in climate controlled storage.My next plan is to buy a house with a two car garage that can be = used to set up the organ. I cant wait to get started.   Steve Pitts    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] (no subject) From: <Jadams4122@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:23:02 EST   The console is theatre but not the pipes although I intended as far as =   possible with low pressure to match the pipe voices to the stop tab names. = At this point it could go either way. We will be moving to somewhere near Nashville, possibly Old Hickory or =   Ridgetop. My sister lives in Greenbrier   John Adams  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: my project (complete message) From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 12:51:50 -0500   Hi Steve, Congratulations on beginning the process so many of us on this list = dream about. I was close to owning a superb old 10 rank Estey this year, = but the arrangements for my erection space fell through, and I had to let = it go. I would so love to experience pipes in every room and chest projects = ongoing out in the garage. It would tickle me no end to have my friends = survey my surroundings, and suggesting mental commitment. I would be proud = when the organ was done, and my friends understand why I did it. Yes Sir Steve, you are a fortunate man indeed. inviting the King to = come live at your house is about as close to heaven as anything this organ = nut can imagine. :-) Keep us posted, as I'm sure you will.   Cheers Mike   STEVE PITTS wrote:   > List: much to my dismay, I discovered that half my previous posting was = chopped off....I am resending it with the hopes that the happy ending will = be included this time..... > > I have been seriously looking for an organ to buy for about a year. I = wanted something a little larger than the typical 3- 5 rank organs which = appear in the internet adds.I also considered trying to build an organ = from parts that I had accumulated. Anyway, unexpectedly, I received an = e-mail from the > music director of Our Lady of Perpetual Help in Carrolton, Georgia = informing me that they were trying to sell their pipe organ. All the other = organs I had seen for sale were a long way from Alabama. Since this one = was so close I decided it wouldn't hurt to spend an afternoon to go and = see it. Dave > McClellan from Atlanta arranged to join me at the church and together we = took a look at the organ. I was really impressed, but I thought it was way = too big for a home project. The organ was basically a 25 rank straight = organ. It had 4 divisions including 2 8ft open diapasons, 3 16ft pedal = stops, 2 > nice reeds and a 3 manual console. There were 5 reservoirs and two = blowers including an enormous one which had a wall built around it. The = relay box is about 9 ft long and 4 ft high. Much to my amazement , things = somehow worked out and I the church actually accepted my offer for the = instrument. > Moving the organ was spread out over a time period of 2 months. I made = about 10 trips out to the church in my truck, occasionally with a U-haul = trailer and once with a big U-haul truck. Dave McClellan provided = technical assistance and labor throughout the process. The two of us did = almost all the > removal work. I had never removed an organ before, so I was really glad = to have his help.Fortunately we did get some help moving some of the heavy = items from the church staff. The big 6 rank Choir Division chest took 6 = people to lower down from the balconey.Michael Procia, who built the = organ, also > provided some much appreciated advice and help. During the removal = process, I really began to appreciate the work Michael did to install this = organ.No doubt , the removal process was a really big job, but it wasn't = as bad as I thought it might be. The folks at the church were very helpful = in > providing access for us and some good help from time to time, and a lot = of it was just plain fun. I ended up selling the 6 rank Choir division, = since the chest was so large and most of its resources were duplicates of = resources on other divisions of the organ.Now, 18 ranks of pipework are = stored in > my rental house, about half of it is racked up on chests in my living = room just for looks. The 16ft Bourdons are stacked in the floor next to = the kitchen table. There are pipes in just about every room in the house. = The console , reservoirs , relay box and some chests are in climate = controlled > storage.My next plan is to buy a house with a two car garage that can be = used to set up the organ. I cant wait to get started. > > Steve Pitts > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: my own monster From: "Ross Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 08:23:08 +1300   Most certainly, the chase after organ parts is most satisfying. I remember years ago someone saying that the organ disease is incurable, but that you can keep the worst of the symptoms at bay by regular injections of organ pipe extract, intravenously. Without this, the sufferer experiences nausea when passing a church, rage and jealousy when someone else gets any organ bits or pipes, and slobbers uncontrollably when forced to listen to something electronic. Too, the heart is prone to sudden racing and palpitations, the skin become sweaty and hot, and th - - - well, you get = the picture. I've experienced this. I'm feeling remarkably calm at the moment as I've just picked up some more pipes for my home organ project. A local organ was broken up and I was = later allowed to retrieve the bits, for free. So, another six or seven ranks, = this time of Hill & Son pipes (England) from 1883. Mind you, I wasn't in time = to stop the chests being hacked up with a chainsaw, but nevertheless I have some more pipes. That makes 42 ranks of pipes here at home now, with = chests for only about half of those. Does anyone have a large supply of 2nd-hand magnets going really dirt cheap? Willing to send them to a most = impecunious retired Anglican clergyman in New Zealand? Anyone interested in me writing about what I've got and what I'm trying to do? Total cost so far has been about NZ$1500 over the last few years. Regards, Ross Wards      
(back) Subject: Electrical... From: "John Haskey" <johnh@haskey.net> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 12:28:10 -0800 (PST)     Hi, The electrician wants to know how much power I need in my room addition for the Organ. The Architect helpfully (?) shows a 100amp sub-panel in the blower room! I'm planning for an organ of 20 ranks or less, direct-electric action, and one, possibly two blowers. How do I figure this stuff out? The electrician says a 60amp panel will be considerably cheaper than a 100amp panel.   ---john.      
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Electrical... From: "ATOS" <atos@stirlingprop.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:33:41 -0600   The National Electrical Code gives you tables that indicate the exact requirement for each motor or device. Remember that you must allow for inrush or starting current on each motor and the total connected load is divided by some percentage. If you live in an area where you are under the jurisdiction of an electrical inspection authority, you need the = electrician to specifically calculate your total and average load and size the panel accordingly.   -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of John Haskey Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 2:28 PM To: Residence Organ List Subject: [Residence Organs] Electrical...       Hi, The electrician wants to know how much power I need in my room addition for the Organ. The Architect helpfully (?) shows a 100amp sub-panel in the blower room! I'm planning for an organ of 20 ranks or less, direct-electric action, and one, possibly two blowers. How do I figure this stuff out? The electrician says a 60amp panel will be considerably cheaper than a 100amp panel.   ---john.       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] (no subject) From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:05:13 EST   John:   I live in Old Hickory. Stop by and see my Moller.   Tom  
(back) Subject: Re: my own monster From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:22:44 -0600   At 08:23 AM 11/6/01 +1300, you wrote: >Most certainly, the chase after organ parts is most satisfying. I = remember >years ago someone saying that the organ disease is incurable, but that = you >can keep the worst of the symptoms at bay by regular injections of organ >pipe extract, intravenously.   <big snip>   >Anyone interested in me writing >about what I've got and what I'm trying to do? Total cost so far has been >about NZ$1500 over the last few years.   Hi, Ross --   The answer to that question would be: "Ay--Yuup...!" <G>   I bet I'm not the only one on this list that is interested to learn = more...!!   Cheers --   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Electrical... From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:37:59 -0600   Don't scimp on the electrical panel. The difference between a 60a and 100a =   panel at this point is much less that it would be if you found that you = had to upgrade later. jch At 12:28 PM 11/5/01 -0800, you wrote:   >Hi, > The electrician wants to know how much power I need in my room >addition for the Organ. The Architect helpfully (?) shows a 100amp >sub-panel in the blower room! I'm planning for an organ of 20 ranks >or less, direct-electric action, and one, possibly two blowers. How do I >figure this stuff out? The electrician says a 60amp panel will be >considerably cheaper than a 100amp panel. > > ---john. > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Electrical... From: "Jon" <sparky@CEINetworks.com> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:48:00 -0500   Hi John. I agree totally. While you may not need 60 amps initially, let alone 100 amps, I would definitely put in the 100 Amp panel. In addition I would make certain that it is a Square D QO panel. These are the best on the market according to any tests I have ever seen done and according to their specifications. Don=B9t be confused by the company's cheaper "HomeLine= " which is meant to compete in the market of economy panels. Your organ is worth Square D QO! Consider it to be the 8 inch PVC wind line as opposed t= o the 8 inch flex duct (kind of) :-).   ~jon   On 11/5/01 7:37 PM, "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> wrote:   > Don't scimp on the electrical panel. The difference between a 60a and 100= a > panel at this point is much less that it would be if you found that you h= ad > to upgrade later. > jch > At 12:28 PM 11/5/01 -0800, you wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >> The electrician wants to know how much power I need in my room >> addition for the Organ. The Architect helpfully (?) shows a 100amp >> sub-panel in the blower room! I'm planning for an organ of 20 ranks >> or less, direct-electric action, and one, possibly two blowers. How do = I >> figure this stuff out? The electrician says a 60amp panel will be >> considerably cheaper than a 100amp panel. >>=20 >> ---john. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >> Residence Pipe Organs. >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >=20 >=20 > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >=20 >=20    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Electrical... From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:12:56 -0600   Hi, John!   Gosh! A whole 100A sub-panel just for a blower (or two) and a rectifier...?? For 20 rks of organ...? How LUXURIOUS!! <g>   Seriously, that sounds like extreme overkill to me, off the top of my = head. Unless your blower (or your new house) is inordinately large, why = couldn't you just make certain that the main panelboard had sufficient space for a couple of extra breakers (even 220V, if needed) for an extra branch = circuit or two? The organ (complete) certainly wouldn't use as much juice as, = say, an electric stove/oven or air conditioner going full-tilt...and that's the way they wire up *those* devices...<g>   Then again -- if cost is no object.....<lol>, or maybe you've got really really BIG chamber lights. <lol, again>   Of course, I'm not a licensed electrician, and I don't have a clue what your codes might/might not be...but maybe something to think about anyway. Or to discuss with your electrician.   Good luck -- let us know how it all turns out!   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR   At 12:28 PM 11/5/01 -0800, you wrote: > >Hi, > The electrician wants to know how much power I need in my room >addition for the Organ. The Architect helpfully (?) shows a 100amp >sub-panel in the blower room! I'm planning for an organ of 20 ranks >or less, direct-electric action, and one, possibly two blowers. How do I >figure this stuff out? The electrician says a 60amp panel will be >considerably cheaper than a 100amp panel. > > ---john.    
(back) Subject: Matters Electrical from someone who's on both sides of the fence... From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:01:36 -0600   Tim Bovard wrote: > Hi, John! > Gosh! A whole 100A sub-panel just for a blower (or two) and a > rectifier...?? For 20 rks of organ...? How LUXURIOUS!! <g>   Not necessarily.   While I don't play a Registered Electrical Contractor on T.V., I *do* play Registered Electrical Contractor/Organbuilder in real life!   Whenever possible, we like to see 3 Phase put in for blowers, since most of them in use nowadays are built by Laukhuff in Germany and are of the 3 phase variety.   However, in a residence installation, that's rarely done, although it *is* possible (with a great deal of arm-twisting to the Electric Utility!!)   It's never a bad idea to have a separate panel in the Blower area for the various loads served, such as the rectifier(s), blower(s) (each needs its own breaker and Magnetic Starter with the proper-sized "Heater Elements", BTW!!!)   On an organ installation we did in a Catholic Church some years ago, that was divided on either side of the Chancel, we had (count them!) TWO 3 Phase breaker panels and used all but 2 of the knockouts in each of those panels! Then we added a Choir Organ a few year later and had to put in a couple of tandem breakers to accommodate *that* blower in one of those panels!   An important point: be sure to have your electrician hook up your organ with an independent blower shutoff switch, so that you have the ability to turn on the organ power (rectifier) without the blower(s) running. This is VERY important for electrical troubleshooting, and you'll thank me many times later for telling you to INSIST on this being done!   And you simply CANNOT EVER have too many 20 amp receptacles (on several different circuits) in an organ chamber!!! There's always things like Swell Engines, Tremulant Drivers, drill motors, vacuums, etc. that need a convenient place to plug into. 10 or 12 receptacles peppered throughout the installation would not be at all unreasonable.   And above all: install ONLY FLUORESCENT LIGHTING!!! Spend a bit of extra money and get the new fixtures with electronic Ballasts that use the new skinny T-8 lamps. That way, you've eliminated the 60 HZ "hum" that these fixtures are so notorious for! You'll have also eliminated the obsolescence factor in that the manufacture of 40 watt T-12 lamps has been phased-out and once the enormous stockpile of these lamps is depleted, well, that's it. Using the fixtures with the plastic "wraparound" lenses is a nice extra touch and will help prevent lamp breakage in case you swing a pipe around and don't realize that the fixture was *that* close. .. .   We are always WAY OVERKILL on our organ electrical installations and have yet to be sorry for having done so. Faithfully,   Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL  
(back) Subject: Choices of Electrical Service Equipment Brands to select from. From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:07:23 -0600   Jon wrote: =20 > Hi John. I agree totally. While you may not need 60 amps initially, l= et > alone 100 amps, I would definitely put in the 100 Amp panel. In additi= on I > would make certain that it is a Square D QO panel. These are the best = on > the market according to any tests I have ever seen done and according t= o > their specifications. Don=B9t be confused by the company's cheaper "Ho= meLine" > which is meant to compete in the market of economy panels. Your organ = is > worth Square D QO! Consider it to be the 8 inch PVC wind line as oppos= ed to > the 8 inch flex duct (kind of) :-).   While I agree wholeheartedly with JCH's pronouncement about Square D (I use this primarily in most of our work) there *are* a couple of other brands that are worth considering.   Cutler-Hammer is good stuff. I know. I used to work in their plant in Lincoln, IL many years ago. Siemens is also a good brand.   However, stay away from the vast majority of the stuff sold by places like Menards, Lowes, Home Depot, etc. The brand to stay away from under ALL circumstances is MURRAY! It is bottom-of-the-line JUNK!!! In fact: I think it's considered so dangerous that some municipalities won't even allow it to be installed in their jurisdictions.   Faithfully, =20 Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL  
(back) Subject: Cost Differential between 60 and 100 amp electrical services From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 20:12:59 -0600   John Haskey wrote: > Hi, > The electrician wants to know how much power I need in my room > addition for the Organ.   <snip>   > The electrician says a 60amp panel will be > considerably cheaper than a 100amp panel.   Then I'd say he needs to find a different electrical supply house. Assuming he's sub-feeding your 60 or 100 amp organ room panel with a 60 or 100 amp breaker, the cost on them is nearly the same (at least according to my Square D catalog). Most of the main lug panels (which is the kind that he should be using, since he already has a sub-feed breaker at the main panel) are already 100 amp (actually: usually 125 amp mains) for even the smallest 6 circuit panels.   The price doesn't change that appreciably for main lug panels up to even 20 circuits!   So, the only real cost differential is the heavier wire required from the main panel to the sub-feed panel, and even that should not be all that significant, unless the distance is considerable.   If in doubt on this, go do some checking, just to keep the man honest.   Good luck!   Faithfully,   Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL