DIYAPASON-L Digest #430 - Tuesday, November 6, 2001
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Electrical...
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Choices of Electrical Service Equipment Brands to
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #428 - 11/04/01
  by "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Choices of Electrical Service  Equipment Brands t
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cost Differential between 60 and 100  amp electri
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
MIDI converter
  by <Jadams4122@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cost Differential between 60 and 100  amp electri
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Nightingale!
  by "Hugh Knapton" <knapton@superaje.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Nightingale!
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Nightingale!
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Choices of Electrical Service Equipment	Brands to
  by "Jon" <sparky@CEINetworks.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Electrical... From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:50:08 EST     In a message dated 11/5/01 2:29:22 PM, johnh@haskey.net writes:   > >Hi, > The electrician wants to know how much power I need in my room >addition for the Organ. The Architect helpfully (?) shows a 100amp >sub-panel in the blower room! I'm planning for an organ of 20 ranks >or less, direct-electric action, and one, possibly two blowers. How do >I >figure this stuff out? The electrician says a 60amp panel will be >considerably cheaper than a 100amp panel. > > ---john. >   Seems all you need to know is the blower(s) motor sizes plus the = rectifier's input volts/amps, doesn't matter too much how many ranks you have, it is = the blower motors and the rectifier that draw the A/C My blower has a 2 HP Century motor, with starter relay, I ran about (3) 15 =   foot #8 wires to the circuit panel. It's a 110/220 motor so I left it = on the 220v mode, (2) 15 amp breakers is what I think I used. Also added a = fused cutoff box next to the blower.   Rectifier on it's own circuit and breaker.     Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Choices of Electrical Service Equipment Brands to select from. From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:57:01 EST     In a message dated 11/5/01 8:08:50 PM, arpschneider@starband.net writes:   >However, stay away from the vast majority of the stuff sold >by places like Menards, Lowes, Home Depot, etc. The brand >to stay away from under ALL circumstances is MURRAY! It is   The only difference I see as far as circuit breaker boxes go, is the seperate breakers you have to buy and put in, the breaker box/circuit = panel you buy is nothing more than an outrageously priced grey painted metal box =   with a hinged door, you have to select and buy the 15, 20, 30 amp etc breakers seperately and can pretty much choose the brands. Square D is good, been around ages and ages.       Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/  
(back) Subject: Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #428 - 11/04/01 From: "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:28:45 -0000   Hi   Can you post the manufacturer of the MIDI to parallel converter please.   The new project looks interesting. Every blessing with your move.   Tony Newnham   ----- Original Message ----- Subject: (no subject) From: <Jadams4122@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:16:41   My replacement project, since I can't bare to be completely pipeless, will be a 2 manual w/pedal w/digitized voices augmented with one rank of flutes. The flute rank, already built, is completely self contained with blower, regulator, stop switches and power supply with a foot print of 18" = X 60" (and on wheels no less).   Well, finally, the real pipes will be played from the MIDI keyboards with a neat PC board I found = in England that is called a "MIDI to Parallel Converter." John Adams        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Choices of Electrical Service Equipment Brands to select from. From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 07:39:38 -0500   At 12:57 AM 11/6/2001 -0500, you wrote:   >In a message dated 11/5/01 8:08:50 PM, arpschneider@starband.net writes: > > >However, stay away from the vast majority of the stuff sold > >by places like Menards, Lowes, Home Depot, etc. The brand > >to stay away from under ALL circumstances is MURRAY! It is > >The only difference I see as far as circuit breaker boxes go, is the >seperate breakers you have to buy and put in, the breaker box/circuit = panel >you buy is nothing more than an outrageously priced grey painted metal = box >with a hinged door, you have to select and buy the 15, 20, 30 amp etc >breakers seperately and can pretty much choose the brands.   Yes, but you can't put a Square D breaker in a Cutler Hammer enclosure, etc. So that will determine the brand of enclosure you buy. I too like the =   Square D, QO panels and breakers best. Beware though that there are some fake Square D breakers out there. We have two electrical outlets here. One =   sells Square D, the other Cutler Hammer. I was at the Cutler Hammer dealer =   the other day and a customer asked for a Square D breaker. The salesman brought one out and gave it to the customer. I said, I didn't know they sold the Square D breakers. After looking at the breaker though I realized =   it wasn't an original. It didn't even have the orange flag and looked totally different. I then told the customer he'd be better off going = across town to get the real thing.   Eric    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cost Differential between 60 and 100 amp electrical services From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 07:53:31 -0500   Rich Schneider wrote:       >Then I'd say he needs to find a different electrical supply >house. Assuming he's sub-feeding your 60 or 100 amp organ >room panel with a 60 or 100 amp breaker, the cost on them is >nearly the same (at least according to my Square D >catalog). Most of the main lug panels (which is the kind >that he should be using, since he already has a sub-feed >breaker at the main panel) are already 100 amp (actually: >usually 125 amp mains) for even the smallest 6 circuit >panels.   I agree totally. I didn't even know one could buy a main lug panel rated =   for less than 100A. The only slightly higher expense would be for the larger wire and higher amp sub-feed breaker. Above 60A the breakers seem = to jump quite a bit in price. I can buy a 60A QO, 2 pole breaker for around $11, but a 100A breaker runs around $35. Still this is nothing to quibble about.     >If in doubt on this, go do some checking, just to keep the >man honest.   Definitely. My brother just had the wool pulled over his eyes by the contractor building his house. Not being up on building, he just trusted that what the contractor told him was true.   Eric        
(back) Subject: MIDI converter From: <Jadams4122@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:17:45 EST   The MIDI to Parallel converter is made by J. W. Electronics. (the J W is = for John Wale) www.j-omega.co.uk   John Adams  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cost Differential between 60 and 100 amp electrical ... From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:08:07 EST   I will add two cents here. When we did the room addition that included the =   all important organ room, the power for the whole house was upgraded to = 200 amp service. The sub panel to the addition was 100amps.I was not really thinking pipe organ at that time, I had an Allen electric. When the pipe organ in Vista showed up in the AGO I was lucky to have an understanding = wife (she thinks I am crazy) and the power to do this project without having to =   hack the new stucco. The big cost that I could see was that the more power the bigger the wire, = it adds up fast! All the other wiring and boxes and so on was cheap compared to that big cables to the panels. So it may seem like over kill but when you are playing your first concert = at home and you kick out the blower contacter,some where down in the = basement, having to much is not a bad thing. Just think of that big set off reed's = you want that runs on 25" of wind and requires that high pressure blower! You will have enough extra.   Have fun. Dennis  
(back) Subject: Nightingale! From: "Hugh Knapton" <knapton@superaje.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:27:52 -0400   Hi List   A customer wants me to add a nightingale .... I remember re-building one almost 30 years ago, but have never seen one since...   Can anyone suggest suitable pitches for pipes? ... Or does anyone have a drawing or picture they can send.   Thanks   Hugh  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Nightingale! From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:36:54 -0500   Could you describe one of these for us Hugh?--Just for the curious and the ignorant. :-)   Mike   Hugh Knapton wrote:   > Hi List > > A customer wants me to add a nightingale .... I remember re-building > one almost 30 years ago, but have never seen one since... > > Can anyone suggest suitable pitches for pipes? ... Or does anyone > have a drawing or picture they can send. > > Thanks > > Hugh > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Nightingale! From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:56:33 EST     In a message dated 11/6/01 11:31:37 AM, knapton@superaje.com writes:   >Hi List > >A customer wants me to add a nightingale .... I remember re-building >one almost 30 years ago, but have never seen one since... > >Can anyone suggest suitable pitches for pipes? ... Or does anyone >have a drawing or picture they can send. > >Thanks >   Funny, I've seen one, it was just two pipes stuck in a can like affair, = and in my opinion for what the thing does the cost for it was outrageous. It = came from Germany and was something like $800 US. I remember looking at it, laughing and thinking I was in the wrong end of the organ business. It = looked like it cost in materials about $20   Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Choices of Electrical Service Equipment Brands to select from. From: "Jon" <sparky@CEINetworks.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 22:18:26 -0500   Hrmmm I guess it's okay that you called me JCH (though I am a different person) ;-)..... I agree whole heartedly with your Murray junk = statement... Also ITE PushMatic is trouble.   As for Randalls comments, perhaps he has not closely examined the construction of the enclosures. There is actual engineering in the square = D box. They're safer to work with and will last MUCH longer. The QO = quality just can't be beat, nor can the design and ideas of the construction of = the breakers and panel. Safest there is, also easiest to work with.   Has anybody tried the "gator" QO panels? Thoughts on such?   ~jon   > While I agree wholeheartedly with JCH's pronouncement about > Square D (I use this primarily in most of our work) there > *are* a couple of other brands that are worth considering. > > Cutler-Hammer is good stuff. I know. I used to work in > their plant in Lincoln, IL many years ago. Siemens is also > a good brand. > > However, stay away from the vast majority of the stuff sold > by places like Menards, Lowes, Home Depot, etc. The brand > to stay away from under ALL circumstances is MURRAY! It is > bottom-of-the-line JUNK!!! In fact: I think it's considered > so dangerous that some municipalities won't even allow it to > be installed in their jurisdictions. > > Faithfully, > > Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO > SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. > Pipe Organ Builders > 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 > Kenney, IL 61749-0137 > (217) 944-2454 VOX > (217) 944-2527 FAX > mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL > mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL > http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own = Residence > Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >