DIYAPASON-L Digest #431 - Wednesday, November 7, 2001
 
Re: Nightingale!
  by <TheGluePot@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Choices of Electrical Service Equipment Brands to
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
Alternative fun organ "toys" for the Toy Counter!
  by "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #430 - 11/06/01
  by "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk>
Nightingale
  by "Hugh Knapton" <knapton@superaje.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Nightingale
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Nightingale
  by "Tom Dimock" <tad1@cornell.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Nightingale
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #430 - 11/06/01
  by <d.doerschuk@att.net>
Whereabouts of a David Jafolla
  by <HALTGG@aol.com>
Re:Cleaning Pipes
  by <Jess4203@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Nightingale! From: <TheGluePot@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:01:38 EST   Having built a set of 18 tuned bird whistles I can speak with some = authority on birdbrained organ effects. Randall is correct about it being = inexpensive to make, the Nachtingal is not an item requiring rocket science. The = first thing to remember is that the pitch of the two pipes is inconsequential as =   the pitch will drop as the liquid is pushed out by the wind. That being said, I prefer to make one pipe at a 3 INCH C pitch and the higher second pipe a G. Brass tubing works easily and is better than common organ = metal. The windway is ideally semicircular with the mouth of the pipe following = in an arch. The pipes need to be immersed into thin mineral oil with a = simple clamping arrangement for "tuning." The action box simply sends wind to = both pipes. The languid is a wood dowel fitted into the brass tubing. The languid is placed so that wind is directed into the pipe as opposed to = normal voicing. Thus the pressure in the pipe plays the pipe while the pitch warbles with the bubbles being forced from the open end into the oil.   Of course there is the cheap way where you hit a toy shop and buy a couple = of kids toy bird whistles. More expensive is to purchase professional orchestral bird whistles from a music supply house. Ludwig and Acme both made good units once upon a time. For units being seen out in the = listening area I have bought ceramic bird whistles that have come up for sale on = eBay but tuning by oil level on these is not possible.   I also have a Cuckoo action that is really neat. Odd that so many 16th century organs would have sound effects that end up on theatre organs hundreds of years later.   Have fun,   Al Sefl Always willing to give the customer what they want..... even the = bird.......   PS: My next set of tuned birds will be a full 2 octaves.  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Choices of Electrical Service Equipment Brands to select from. From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:58:33 EST     In a message dated 11/6/01 9:19:11 PM, sparky@CEINetworks.com writes:   >Also ITE PushMatic is trouble.   Ewww, I hate any product that has a "...matic" in the name, sounds like =   something from the fifties...     >As for Randalls comments, perhaps he has not closely examined the >construction of the enclosures. There is actual engineering in the = square >D >box. They're safer to work with and will last MUCH longer. The QO = quality >just can't be beat, nor can the design and ideas of the construction of >the >breakers and panel. Safest there is, also easiest to work with.   No, I have not, just seen them on the shelves and the prices for what look =   like machine stamped out metal boxes with an outrageous price tag, more so =   when you look and see NO breakers but the main are included and those you have to buy extra seperately, kind of seems a lot like buying a new car, = but the engine (which is not included with the car) is sold seperately for another price. Seen that sort of thing in the Recreational vehicle parts, you buy = something like a gas water heater but then discover the outside access cover DOOR (a =   piece of flat sheet metal) for it is sold seperately for $20 and the vent = is also sold separately and not included...   Anyway, the panel I bought was a square D "Homline" load center, and a = box of breakers, also square D. I think the panel was around $129 or maybe = it was closer to $179, don't remember now. Menards, here anyway... carries square D products.     Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/  
(back) Subject: Alternative fun organ "toys" for the Toy Counter! From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 03:10:49 -0600   TheGluePot@aol.com wrote: > Having built a set of 18 tuned bird whistles I can speak with some = authority > on birdbrained organ effects.   <major snippage>   > I also have a Cuckoo action that is really neat. Odd that so many 16th > century organs would have sound effects that end up on theatre organs > hundreds of years later.   With apologies to our friend Tim on the list, one kinda "neat" effect we made one time was a "Bovine" stop for a farmer organist.   What it consisted of was a camshaft similar to that used on some Zimbelsterns which was connected in such a way that with each revolution, the clapper of an old cow's was made to ring the bell. At the same time, we had a small concussion pneumatic rigged to another camp lobe so that with each revolution, it pumped a small puff of wind into an old Vox Humana pipe from the bottom octave that was mounted on the output of the small bellows.   So, with each revolution of the cam, one would get the "tinkle" of a cowbell, with the lowing of the cow produced by the lone Vox pipe. Since the Vox pipe was slightly "under-winded", the pitch would rise and fall during the cycle, similar to the way a cow lows.   From in the chamber, the effect was pretty convincing. > Have fun,   There are LOTS of ways to have fun as organbuilders!   Faithfully,   Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL  
(back) Subject: Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #430 - 11/06/01 From: "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:28:46 -0000   Many thanks   Every Blessing   Tony   ----- Original Message ----- @aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 18:16:41     Subject: MIDI converter From: <Jadams4122@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:17:45 EST   The MIDI to Parallel converter is made by J. W. Electronics. (the J W is = for John Wale) www.j-omega.co.uk   John Adams        
(back) Subject: Nightingale From: "Hugh Knapton" <knapton@superaje.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:00:24 -0400   Mike wrote: >Could you describe one of these for us Hugh?--Just for the curious and >the ignorant. :-)   Historically, the Nightingale (Rossignol Fr. - Nachtigall Ger.) was 2 (or more ?) pipes that bent over with the tops immersed in water. In more recent times, the pipes would be suspended upside down with the tops being immersed in water ... although mineral oil or glycerine now replaces the water as it evaporates slower. There have been references to the liquid being beer ... and in at least one distantly placed nightingale (without water handy) "previously-consumed beer"!   The device is simple ... not sure how useful!   I am hoping that someone has a recommendation for the pitches of the = pipes.   Hugh  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Nightingale From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 07:00:32 -0800   At 08:00 AM 11/7/01 -0400, Hugh Knapton wrote: >The device is simple ... not sure how useful!   One need only to appreciate good theatre organ playing to see its usefulness. If one listens to some of the recordings of the late, great (how trite and overused is that expression...) Sidney Torch playing the wonderful Marble Arch Christie with its tuned birds one can hear some real good effects.   As to the pitch, it really doesn't matter, as if the effect is properly built, the pitch varies quite a bit as the level of liquid in the pipes varies. Almost any pipe 3" or so in speaking length will do. Small diapasons or principals, or large-scale flutes will work. Stopped flutes, with the cap removed will save you quite a bit of voicing time, as they = are already set up to speak stopped. Look in your junque box and see what = sort of broken top octaves you have. EVERY organ builder/hobbiest who is worth his salt has such a junque box... ;-)   Bob, who believes that 'Stuff' is the junk you keep, but 'Junk' is the stuff you throw away... ;-)     >I am hoping that someone has a recommendation for the pitches of the = pipes. > >Hugh    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Nightingale From: "Tom Dimock" <tad1@cornell.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:24:09 -0500   At 07:00 AM 11/07/2001 -0800, Bob Loesch wrote: >Bob, who believes that 'Stuff' is the junk you keep, but 'Junk' is the >stuff you throw away... ;-)   I learned this lesson from my mother, who always had a box in the basement shop labeled "Useless stuff too good to throw away"...... Some = interesting things in that box!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Tom Dimock ---- Cornell University ---- tad1@cornell.edu "There go my people. I must follow them, for I am their leader." M. = Gandhi  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Nightingale From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 09:35:30 -0600   At 10:24 AM 11/7/01 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:00 AM 11/07/2001 -0800, Bob Loesch wrote: > >Bob, who believes that 'Stuff' is the junk you keep, but 'Junk' is the > >stuff you throw away... ;-) > >I learned this lesson from my mother, who always had a box in the = basement >shop labeled "Useless stuff too good to throw away"...... Some = interesting >things in that box!! >--------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- > Tom Dimock ---- Cornell University   Believe there was a song written about such a box in "Amahl and the Night Visitors"   (from Jon who did his annual stint as a shephard....)    
(back) Subject: Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #430 - 11/06/01 From: <d.doerschuk@att.net> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:36:39 +0000   The online Encyclopedia of Organ Stops at: http://www.organstops.org/index.html has this entry for the Nightingale.   "A stop which imitates the warbling of birds by immersing the ends of two or more small metal pipes in a vessel of water or light oil. Grove dates these stops from at least 1450, and says that these names were sometimes used for tiny high-pitched mixtures of indeterminate pitch, or for normal high-pitched flute stops."   I've never built, played, or seen one, but I think Laukhuff sells one, I vaguely remember seeing it in their catalog at: http://www.laukhuff.de/english/kata_e.html > From: "Hugh Knapton" <knapton@superaje.com> > > A customer wants me to add a nightingale .... I remember re-building > one almost 30 years ago, but have never seen one since... > > Can anyone suggest suitable pitches for pipes? ... Or does anyone > have a drawing or picture they can send.  
(back) Subject: Whereabouts of a David Jafolla From: <HALTGG@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:19:08 EST   There is a link from the Theatre Organ home page highlighting the = restoration of a Wurlitzer RJ6 reproducing player organ. The owner, David Jafolla (djafo@jnlk.com), Salem, NJ has requested help identifying parts and schematics. I'm rebuilding an RJ8 and have the original wiring = diagram/print. I have been unable to email this person. It comes back as undeliverable. = Does anyone know this person and how to contact him? Regards, Hal  
(back) Subject: Re:Cleaning Pipes From: <Jess4203@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:54:24 EST     --part1_156.3a6f448.291b5bf0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Group:   I'm hoping to have something to work on soon. What's the best method for cleaning old pipes? Blowing them out with air? Washing them out with = water? Or? I hope to have both some metal and some wooden pipes.   TIA, Roy Kersey   --part1_156.3a6f448.291b5bf0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi Group: <BR> <BR>I'm hoping to have something to work on soon. &nbsp;What's the best = method for cleaning old pipes? &nbsp;Blowing them out with air? = &nbsp;Washing them out with water? &nbsp;Or? &nbsp;I hope to have both = some metal and some wooden pipes. <BR> <BR>TIA, <BR>Roy Kersey </FONT></HTML>   --part1_156.3a6f448.291b5bf0_boundary--