DIYAPASON-L Digest #442 - Tuesday, November 20, 2001
 
blower update
  by <Mollerpo@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  blower update
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Kimball console available
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Re: Wiring for EM chests
  by "Fr. Larry Covington" <larry.covington@St-Louis.org>
Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - 11/19/01
  by "Chris Harwood" <chryselwood@ns.sympatico.ca>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Re: Wiring for EM chests-more
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - 11/19/01
  by "ATOS" <atos@stirlingprop.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Re: Wiring for EM chests
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Color codes
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
 

(back) Subject: blower update From: <Mollerpo@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 08:33:10 EST     --part1_60.17136859.292bb596_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I found the problem with my Kinetic blower. The motor had two sets of windings on it. The blower is set to run on 110 or 220 and either setup requires the use of both sets of windings. I just needed to know if they should be hooked up parallel or in series. Put the wires in the right = order, add the right voltage, BINGO! Plenty of wind for all I'll ever need. Thanks for everyones advice.   --part1_60.17136859.292bb596_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#800040" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial Rounded MT Bold" LANG=3D"0">I found the = problem with my Kinetic blower. The motor had two sets of windings on it. = The blower is set to run on 110 or 220 and either setup requires the use = of both sets of windings. I just needed to know if they should be hooked = up parallel or in series. Put the wires in the right order, add the right = voltage, BINGO! Plenty of wind for all I'll ever need.<BR> Thanks for everyones advice.<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_60.17136859.292bb596_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] blower update From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:11:53 -0500   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_16576005= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 08:33 AM 11/20/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I found the problem with my Kinetic blower. The motor had two sets of >windings on it. The blower is set to run on 110 or 220 and either setup >requires the use of both sets of windings. I just needed to know if they >should be hooked up parallel or in series. Put the wires in the right >order, add the right voltage, BINGO! Plenty of wind for all I'll ever = need. >Thanks for everyones advice.   Glad you got it working correctly. I had a feeling it just needed to be connected properly using both windings as one would do with a transformer. --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_16576005= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> At 08:33 AM 11/20/2001 -0500, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"Arial Rounded MT = Bold, Helvetica" size=3D2 color=3D"#800040">I found the problem with my Kinetic blower. The motor had two sets of windings on it. The blower is set to run on 110 or 220 and either setup requires the use of both sets of windings. I just needed to know if they should be hooked up parallel or in series. Put the wires in the right order, add the right voltage, BINGO! Plenty of wind for all I'll ever need.<br> Thanks for everyones advice.</blockquote><br> Glad you got it working correctly. I had a feeling it just needed to be connected properly using both windings as one would do with a transformer.</font></html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_16576005= =3D=3D_.ALT--    
(back) Subject: Kimball console available From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:30:18 -0800   Hi People,   It is time for us to part with a Welte/Kimball console we have in storage. It was meant for our high school project, but a generous donor surprised us with a totally rebuilt console!   The W/K is a 3M double bolster console that was (externally) refinished by the previous owner but he died and it was left in (not the best) storage in a barn. It innards are removed with the eventual intention to electrify it (Stop Action Magnets - never bought). The keyboards needed some repair so we had bought two others for parts(will include). The pedal board was left outside - so that's where we left it. ;-) The two top caps could not be found so we bought replacements. They need some repair . Also missing are two front caps - those next to the keyboards. We obtained a new slightly damaged OSI pedal board. It's just a defect in the frame but easily repaired. There are no pedal contacts. we do have the light, music rack and swell shoe assemblies, all other panels accounted for, except the the horse shoe top panel developed a curve on the left side. If you visit the website below you will also see the various other "odds 'n ends that went with it. click on "item one"   http://pages.prodigy.net/r.m.strang/ As our storage place is one where we might have to depart in a hurry, we're anxious to liquidate this console. A small U-haul trailer could easily carry it.   NO REASONABLE OFFER REFUSED...ALL UNREASONABLE ONES SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED!!   All proceeds to benefit our volunteer project!   Thanks   John V  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Re: Wiring for EM chests From: "Fr. Larry Covington" <larry.covington@St-Louis.org> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:28:28 -0600   Roy,   You can get the cable at any electrical supply house that carries = equip,emt for phone or computer work. It comes in a variety of "pairs" such as 6-pair, 12 pair, 25-pair, 50-pair. For normal organ work I get 50 pair which leaves extra. The extra that you do not use you can snip off. The 6-pair is perfect for 12-note offset chests. Wire your chest magnets to a junction board which can be mounted on the side of the chest itself. This gives you a connection point to go to the switches or preferably a diode-matrix system. Stay with the code and you will not have to ring anything out.   HAPPY THANKSGIVING,   LARRY C.   > -----Original Message----- > From: Jess4203@aol.com [SMTP:Jess4203@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 8:59 PM > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: Wiring for EM chests > > hi Group: > > I have a set of questions from yesterday about pipes, but today I'm > thinking about wiring. My prospective organ has the cotton covered > wiring and at least some of it is not yet hooked up --- to the four > contacts on the pedal loom in particular. I was thinking that it might = be > just as well to open the chests and rewire with modern color coded wire. > I would spend time soldering to the chest magnets, but when I got to > wiring the other ends, the color coding would mean no test firing of = each > wire to decide where to attach it, I would just hook them up according = ot > the colors, right? Another plus would be if the organ is ever sold, it > would be up to code --- also correct? > > I would like to know where to get sets of wire for this endeavor. Two > ranks are 73 pipes each and one is 97 pipes. > > TIA, > Roy Kersey  
(back) Subject: Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - 11/19/01 From: "Chris Harwood" <chryselwood@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:43:52 -0400   RE - Chest wiring   Colour (color) coded wiring does make things easier. Use something like 24-26AWG Wire. This cabling is traditionally used in the telecom business and comes in various cable sizes usually expressed in pairs (multiply by 2 to get the number of conductors). Any telecom cable supplier should be = able to meet your needs. You should also be able to find the color codes on the web. There is a good one on the the organ web page for one that works to = 32 but can be expanded.   Chris Harwood   > From: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:30:01 -0600 > To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > Subject: DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - 11/19/01 > > DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - Monday, November 19, 2001 > > Re: Arranging off-chest pipes > by <Jess4203@aol.com> > Re: Wiring for EM chests > by <Jess4203@aol.com> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Arranging off-chest pipes > From: <Jess4203@aol.com> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:43:39 EST > > Hi Pipers: > > I have a couple of questions about an off-chested Bourdon 16 rank on the = small > house organ I am trying to purchase. This organ is incomplete, and the = bottom > six pipes of the pedal Bourdon are stacked up sideways in sequence at = the back > of the organ case with footholes plugged and holes drilled in their caps = for > off-chest installation. There are 18 more pipes prepared in the same = way, but > they also have a pair of dowels in the caps for mounting to a board, = which I > guess will sit horizontally so that those pipes will be vertical. I = have two > questions about the horizontal pipes: > > Will these pipes "pull" toward on another if they are just stacked in = order? > Do I need to stack them in the order C-D-E-C#-D#-F? > > Secondly, can the pipes just be laid on top of each othere and fastened > together in some way, or should there be some spacers between them? IF = so, > how would this be done? > > My third question concerns the other 18 pipes. The arrangement looks = kind of > like what you would see on a muffler and tailpipe, with the large hole = iin the > cap and a dowel pin on each side. Is this a typical arrangement? > > I gather I am going to have to make a chest for these 24 pipes (EM). Is = there > some specific dimensional requirement for this? Do I provide some extra = space > in the toeboard area to help with the pipe speech? > > What kind of tubing would you-all suggest for off-chesting these 24 = pipes? > How do you seal these? > > Thanks for your help! I hope the negotiations for the organ will be = completed > in a day or two. If so, then I'll have some questions about mkoving and > packing. > > Regards, > Roy Kersey > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Wiring for EM chests > From: <Jess4203@aol.com> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:58:55 EST > > > --part1_143.4e414a1.292b20ef_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > hi Group: > > I have a set of questions from yesterday about pipes, but today I'm = thinking > about wiring. My prospective organ has the cotton covered wiring and = at > least some of it is not yet hooked up --- to the four contacts on the = pedal > loom in particular. I was thinking that it might be just as well to = open the > chests and rewire with modern color coded wire. I would spend time = soldering > to the chest magnets, but when I got to wiring the other ends, the color > coding would mean no test firing of each wire to decide where to attach = it, I > would just hook them up according ot the colors, right? Another plus = would > be if the organ is ever sold, it would be up to code --- also correct? > > I would like to know where to get sets of wire for this endeavor. Two = ranks > are 73 pipes each and one is 97 pipes. > > TIA, > Roy Kersey > > --part1_143.4e414a1.292b20ef_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>hi Group: > <BR> > <BR>I have a set of questions from yesterday about pipes, but today I'm > thinking about &nbsp;wiring. &nbsp;My prospective organ has the cotton = covered > wiring and at least some of it is not yet hooked up --- to the four = contacts > on the pedal loom in particular. &nbsp;I was thinking that it might be = just as > well to open the chests and rewire with modern color coded wire. &nbsp;I = would > spend time soldering to the chest magnets, but when I got to wiring the = other > ends, the color coding would mean no test firing of each wire to decide = where > to attach it, I would just hook them up according ot the colors, right? > &nbsp;Another plus would be if the organ is ever sold, it would be up to = code > --- also correct? > <BR> > <BR>I would like to know where to get sets of wire for this endeavor. > &nbsp;Two ranks are 73 pipes each and one is 97 pipes. > <BR> > <BR>TIA, > <BR>Roy Kersey</FONT></HTML> > > --part1_143.4e414a1.292b20ef_boundary-- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > End of DIYAPASON-L Digest > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own = Residence > Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Re: Wiring for EM chests-more From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:44:07 -0800   >Roy, > >You can get the cable at any electrical supply house that carries = equip,emt >for phone or computer work. It comes in a variety of "pairs" such as >6-pair, 12 pair, 25-pair, 50-pair. For normal organ work I get 50 pair >which leaves extra. The extra that you do not use you can snip off. The >6-pair is perfect for 12-note offset chests. Wire your chest magnets to = a >junction board which can be mounted on the side of the chest itself. = This >gives you a connection point to go to the switches or preferably a >diode-matrix system. Stay with the code and you will not have to ring >anything out.   We had also had luck watching for the phoneco. redoing office buildings. They generally tear out the old cabling(perfectly good), and dumpster it. We've done three organs on what we scavenged.   john V  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - 11/19/01 From: "ATOS" <atos@stirlingprop.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:34:04 -0600   Here is a link to a standard pipe organ wire color code chart for wiring = on a 61 note chest. This chart will give you the information to wire up to a 100 conductor (50 pair) telco cable.   http://atos.stirlingprop.com/kbase/Wurlitzer_phonecable_standard_colors.htm=     -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Chris Harwood Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:44 PM To: Residence Organ List Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - 11/19/01     RE - Chest wiring   Colour (color) coded wiring does make things easier. Use something like 24-26AWG Wire. This cabling is traditionally used in the telecom business and comes in various cable sizes usually expressed in pairs (multiply by 2 to get the number of conductors). Any telecom cable supplier should be = able to meet your needs. You should also be able to find the color codes on the web. There is a good one on the the organ web page for one that works to = 32 but can be expanded.   Chris Harwood   > From: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:30:01 -0600 > To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > Subject: DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - 11/19/01 > > DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - Monday, November 19, 2001 > > Re: Arranging off-chest pipes > by <Jess4203@aol.com> > Re: Wiring for EM chests > by <Jess4203@aol.com> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Arranging off-chest pipes > From: <Jess4203@aol.com> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:43:39 EST > > Hi Pipers: > > I have a couple of questions about an off-chested Bourdon 16 rank on the small > house organ I am trying to purchase. This organ is incomplete, and the bottom > six pipes of the pedal Bourdon are stacked up sideways in sequence at = the back > of the organ case with footholes plugged and holes drilled in their caps for > off-chest installation. There are 18 more pipes prepared in the same = way, but > they also have a pair of dowels in the caps for mounting to a board, = which I > guess will sit horizontally so that those pipes will be vertical. I = have two > questions about the horizontal pipes: > > Will these pipes "pull" toward on another if they are just stacked in order? > Do I need to stack them in the order C-D-E-C#-D#-F? > > Secondly, can the pipes just be laid on top of each othere and fastened > together in some way, or should there be some spacers between them? IF so, > how would this be done? > > My third question concerns the other 18 pipes. The arrangement looks = kind of > like what you would see on a muffler and tailpipe, with the large hole = iin the > cap and a dowel pin on each side. Is this a typical arrangement? > > I gather I am going to have to make a chest for these 24 pipes (EM). Is there > some specific dimensional requirement for this? Do I provide some extra space > in the toeboard area to help with the pipe speech? > > What kind of tubing would you-all suggest for off-chesting these 24 = pipes? > How do you seal these? > > Thanks for your help! I hope the negotiations for the organ will be completed > in a day or two. If so, then I'll have some questions about mkoving and > packing. > > Regards, > Roy Kersey > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Wiring for EM chests > From: <Jess4203@aol.com> > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:58:55 EST > > > --part1_143.4e414a1.292b20ef_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > hi Group: > > I have a set of questions from yesterday about pipes, but today I'm thinking > about wiring. My prospective organ has the cotton covered wiring and = at > least some of it is not yet hooked up --- to the four contacts on the pedal > loom in particular. I was thinking that it might be just as well to = open the > chests and rewire with modern color coded wire. I would spend time soldering > to the chest magnets, but when I got to wiring the other ends, the color > coding would mean no test firing of each wire to decide where to attach it, I > would just hook them up according ot the colors, right? Another plus would > be if the organ is ever sold, it would be up to code --- also correct? > > I would like to know where to get sets of wire for this endeavor. Two ranks > are 73 pipes each and one is 97 pipes. > > TIA, > Roy Kersey > > --part1_143.4e414a1.292b20ef_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>hi Group: > <BR> > <BR>I have a set of questions from yesterday about pipes, but today I'm > thinking about &nbsp;wiring. &nbsp;My prospective organ has the cotton covered > wiring and at least some of it is not yet hooked up --- to the four contacts > on the pedal loom in particular. &nbsp;I was thinking that it might be just as > well to open the chests and rewire with modern color coded wire. &nbsp;I would > spend time soldering to the chest magnets, but when I got to wiring the other > ends, the color coding would mean no test firing of each wire to decide where > to attach it, I would just hook them up according ot the colors, right? > &nbsp;Another plus would be if the organ is ever sold, it would be up to code > --- also correct? > <BR> > <BR>I would like to know where to get sets of wire for this endeavor. > &nbsp;Two ranks are 73 pipes each and one is 97 pipes. > <BR> > <BR>TIA, > <BR>Roy Kersey</FONT></HTML> > > --part1_143.4e414a1.292b20ef_boundary-- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > End of DIYAPASON-L Digest > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence > Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. 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(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Re: Wiring for EM chests From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:09:52 -0600   At 03:28 PM 11/20/01 -0600, Larry wrote: <snip> > For normal organ work I get 50 pair >which leaves extra. The extra that you do not use you can snip off. The >6-pair is perfect for 12-note offset chests. </snip>   Hi Larry, and List   I'd suggest that those extra wires in the cable should not be cut off -- rather, coil them up in a neat little bundle out of the way at either end of the run. That way, they remain available as "spares" should the cable ever experience a trauma of some sort which breaks a wire or two. For the same reason, I usually choose the "pair-size" of the raw cable to see that there are a few extra wires (at least) -- even if there is a size = available with the exact number of wires needed.   In a residence DIY installation, I'd think cable-trauma might be a bit = more likely than the usual new organ job, so those extra wires might just come in REAL handy at some time in the future. It's a LOT easier than = replacing an entire cable for one or two broken wires!   Food for thought <g>   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR  
(back) Subject: Color codes From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:20:49 -0600   >You should also be able to find the color codes on the >web. There is a good one on the the organ web page for one that works to = 32 >but can be expanded.   There is a color code chart on this list's web site - http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org I it is under the "Resources" section and is available as either an Adobe Acrobat document or an Excel Spreadsheet.   David -- ********************************************************* DIYAPASON-L - a mailing list for the owners/builders of their own home pipe organ