DIYAPASON-L Digest #444 - Sunday, November 25, 2001
 
rossignol
  by "Caroline Kehne" <ckehne@accglobal.net>
Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Arranging off-chest pipes
  by "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com>
Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Wiring for EM chests
  by "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com>
Re: [Residence Organs] Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - 11/19/01
  by "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Arranging  off-chest p
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Arranging off-chest pi
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
New Webpage
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: rossignol From: "Caroline Kehne" <ckehne@accglobal.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:30:47 -0500   Just a late entry on the topic of organ nightingales; I have a 1970s vintage LP from Harmonia Mundi which consists of short organ pieces of different periods and nationalities. The LP is called 'Dictionaire de l'Orgue' and it is accompanied by a booklet with descriptions of different stops, building styles, etc which one can then listen to on the LP. One item features the rossignol in the French Classical organ in Petit-Andely. The photo shows a square water-filled metal trough. From the bottom of the trough a metal air duct projects up and it is capped by a triangular (in cross section) manifold. The device basically looks like a 'T'. Three downward-projecting pipes are attached to the manifold with their tops slightly submerged with water. The caption state that the notes are F, A and C.   Unless the microphone was placed beside the device in the recording, it did seem quite loud...but then you'd probably want something loud enough to cover the sound of bubbling water. Water level in the trough must also be a critical factor in the performance of the stop. In this recording, the nightingale seem effective only when used in short bursts; if the 'note' was sustained, the twittering would stop and only pipe would sound with a loud, plaintive wavering tone (must be some kind of standing wave being set up in the trough). I've heard better examples of this stop.   happy birding, Robert Pelletier  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Arranging off-chest pipes From: "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:19:44 -0600   <html><div style=3D'background-color:'><DIV> <P>Dear Roy and List;</P> <P>On my web page at DIYapason, I have pictures of stacked pipes, one set = is the bottom 12 pipes of a wood 8' prinzipal, the other set is the bottom = 12 pipes of a wood 16' Bordun.&nbsp; You do not have to put spacers = inbetween the pipes as the pipes themselves do not vibrate, just the = column of air inside.&nbsp; Stacking them directly on top of each other = will not in any way affect the sound.&nbsp; However, so that the toes of = the pipes would line up with the toe holes on the chest, I did use cedar = shims to space them appropriately, and to make sure that the stack was = level.&nbsp; I used floor to ceiling studs to keep them in place, but they = would be real hard to knock over without them (because of the weight of = the pipes), it's just a safety precaution.&nbsp; </P> <P>I don't know what you mean by pull toward one another, but the pipes = can be as close or as far apart as your installation requires.&nbsp; The = pipes should be stacked in order, so that the longest pipe is on the = bottom and so that the finished stack won't be top-heavy.&nbsp; If the = pipes are in order, they will get smaller and smaller as the stack gets = higher.</P> <P>I don't understand the question about the other 18 pipes.&nbsp; = Can&nbsp;I assume there is a hole in the cap because they are = Rohrflutes?</P> <P>I would not recommend making a chest for the pipes.&nbsp; I don't = understand how many of these you have, it sounds like an incomplete pedal = rank.&nbsp; Before you make a chest with only 24 holes, you may want to = consider replacing this with a complete rank.&nbsp; Offset chests for the = bottom 12 notes are easy to find as are chests for the remaining notes, or = chests for a complete set of 32 or 44 pedal pipes.&nbsp; You may also want = to unify the 16' Bourdon with a Gedect or other stopped flute rank that = goes all the way up to 2'.&nbsp; You could put that on a couple of offset = chests and a chest with 61 notes.&nbsp; Used chests are cheaper than the = materials would be if you made one yourself, and chances are they would = work a whole lot better.&nbsp; I made a chest for the 2' prinzipal on my = organ and that tiny chest cost around $400 to make, and it has problems = with about 8 of the 61 notes.&nbsp; I made it because I could not find a = chest anywhere that only played a 2' rank, and I wan <DIV></DIV>http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/webpages/kleineweber/ <DIV></DIV>prinzipal8@hotmail.com <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Jess4203@aol.com <DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: <DIYAPASON-L@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: Arranging off-chest pipes <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:43:39 EST <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Hi Pipers: <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;I have a couple of questions about an off-chested Bourdon = 16 rank on the small house organ I am trying to purchase. This organ is = incomplete, and the bottom six pipes of the pedal Bourdon are stacked up = sideways in sequence at the back of the organ case with footholes plugged = and holes drilled in their caps for off-chest installation. There are 18 = more pipes prepared in the same way, but they also have a pair of dowels = in the caps for mounting to a board, which I guess will sit horizontally = so that those pipes will be vertical. I have two questions about the = horizontal pipes: <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Will these pipes "pull" toward on another if they are just = stacked in order? Do I need to stack them in the order C-D-E-C#-D#-F? <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Secondly, can the pipes just be laid on top of each othere = and fastened together in some way, or should there be some spacers between = them? IF so, how would this be done? <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;My third question concerns the other 18 pipes. The = arrangement looks kind of like what you would see on a muffler and = tailpipe, with the large hole iin the cap and a dowel pin on each side. Is = this a typical arrangement? <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;I gather I am going to have to make a chest for these 24 = pipes (EM). Is there some specific dimensional requirement for this? Do I = provide some extra space in the toeboard area to help with the pipe = speech? <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;What kind of tubing would you-all suggest for off-chesting = these 24 pipes? How do you seal these? <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Thanks for your help! I hope the negotiations for the organ = will be completed in a day or two. If so, then I'll have some questions = about mkoving and packing. <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Regards, <DIV></DIV>&gt;Roy Kersey <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of = their own <DIV></DIV>&gt;Residence Pipe Organs. <DIV></DIV>&gt;HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN = Explorer at <a = href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://explorer.msn.com</a>= <br></html>  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Wiring for EM chests From: "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:32:35 -0600   <html><div style=3D'background-color:'><DIV> <P>Dear Roy and List;</P> <P>I purchased 12-contact color coded cable from Home Depot, and 32 and 64 = contact cable from Organ Supply.&nbsp; For the 73 note chest I would use = the 64 contact cable and finish up with the 12 contact cable.&nbsp; For = the 97 note chest you could use the 64 contact cable and three 12 contact = cables.&nbsp; It's always helpful to have a few unused wires in the cable, = if there is a short in one at a point in the future, you can use the = previously unused wire to hook the note back up.</P> <P>I have rewired all my chests with new wire and never had to open or = take apart the chest to do so.&nbsp; You would simple remove the old cable = from the board that has the magnet caps and contacts and replace with the = new cable.&nbsp; This can always be done from the outside of the = chest.<BR><BR>Yes it's a good idea to follow the color code.&nbsp; When I = wired my first chest, I didn't know what the order was supposed to be, so = I used my own system and wrote down what I did.&nbsp; As long as you know = what it is everything should work out.&nbsp; Following the color code is = only useful if you plan on selling the chest as is someday, that way the = next person could wire the chest to their relay properly.&nbsp; But even = if you didn't follow the code, but wrote down what you did, you could = still sell the chest, just give them the written paper when you do = so.&nbsp; Otherwise, they would have to do what I had to do with all my = chests -- rewire the chest again.</P><BR><BR><BR>Bart Kleineweber <DIV></DIV>http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/webpages/kleineweber/ <DIV></DIV>prinzipal8@hotmail.com <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Jess4203@aol.com <DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: Wiring for EM chests <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:58:55 EST <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;hi Group: <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;I have a set of questions from yesterday about pipes, but = today I'm thinking <DIV></DIV>&gt;about wiring. My prospective organ has the cotton covered = wiring and at <DIV></DIV>&gt;least some of it is not yet hooked up --- to the four = contacts on the pedal <DIV></DIV>&gt;loom in particular. I was thinking that it might be just as = well to open the <DIV></DIV>&gt;chests and rewire with modern color coded wire. I would = spend time soldering <DIV></DIV>&gt;to the chest magnets, but when I got to wiring the other = ends, the color <DIV></DIV>&gt;coding would mean no test firing of each wire to decide = where to attach it, I <DIV></DIV>&gt;would just hook them up according ot the colors, right? = Another plus would <DIV></DIV>&gt;be if the organ is ever sold, it would be up to code --- = also correct? <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;I would like to know where to get sets of wire for this = endeavor. Two ranks <DIV></DIV>&gt;are 73 pipes each and one is 97 pipes. <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;TIA, <DIV></DIV>&gt;Roy Kersey <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN = Explorer at <a = href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://explorer.msn.com</a>= <br></html>  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - 11/19/01 From: "Bart Kleineweber" <prinzipal8@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:43:37 -0600   <html><div style=3D'background-color:'><DIV> <P>Dear Roy and List,</P> <P>Here is a system I have for remembering the color code:</P> <P>There are two groups of colors</P> <P>The first group is white, red, black, yellow, violet</P> <P>The second group is blue, orange, green, brown, slate</P> <P>The first pair would be white-blue, blue-white, the first color = mentioned is the dominant color with stripes of the second color, the = first wire is mostly white with stripes of blue, the second wire is mostly = blue with stripes of white.</P> <P>The second pair would be white-orange, orange-white</P> <P>The third pair would be white-green, green-white</P> <P>See a pattern?</P> <P>The 11th pair would be red-blue, blue-red</P> <P>The 21st pair would be black-blue, blue-black<BR><BR>Got = it?</P><BR><BR><BR>Bart Kleineweber </DIV>Chicago, IL <DIV></DIV>http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/webpages/kleineweber/ <DIV></DIV>prinzipal8@hotmail.com <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Chris Harwood <CHRYSELWOOD@NS.SYMPATICO.CA> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - = 11/19/01 <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:43:52 -0400 <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;RE - Chest wiring <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Colour (color) coded wiring does make things easier. Use = something like <DIV></DIV>&gt;24-26AWG Wire. This cabling is traditionally used in the = telecom business <DIV></DIV>&gt;and comes in various cable sizes usually expressed in pairs = (multiply by 2 <DIV></DIV>&gt;to get the number of conductors). Any telecom cable = supplier should be able <DIV></DIV>&gt;to meet your needs. You should also be able to find the = color codes on the <DIV></DIV>&gt;web. There is a good one on the the organ web page for one = that works to 32 <DIV></DIV>&gt;but can be expanded. <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;Chris Harwood <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; From: "Residence Organ List" = <DIYAPASON-L@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 23:30:01 -0600 <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@PIPECHAT.ORG> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Subject: DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - 11/19/01 <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; DIYAPASON-L Digest #441 - Monday, November 19, 2001 <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Re: Arranging off-chest pipes <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; by <JESS4203@AOL.COM> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Re: Wiring for EM chests <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; by <JESS4203@AOL.COM> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Arranging off-chest pipes <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; From: <JESS4203@AOL.COM> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:43:39 EST <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Hi Pipers: <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; I have a couple of questions about an off-chested = Bourdon 16 rank on the small <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; house organ I am trying to purchase. This organ is = incomplete, and the bottom <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; six pipes of the pedal Bourdon are stacked up = sideways in sequence at the back <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; of the organ case with footholes plugged and holes = drilled in their caps for <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; off-chest installation. There are 18 more pipes = prepared in the same way, but <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; they also have a pair of dowels in the caps for = mounting to a board, which I <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; guess will sit horizontally so that those pipes will = be vertical. I have two <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; questions about the horizontal pipes: <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Will these pipes "pull" toward on another if they are = just stacked in order? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Do I need to stack them in the order C-D-E-C#-D#-F? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Secondly, can the pipes just be laid on top of each othere and fastened <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; together in some way, or should there be some spacers = between them? IF so, <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; how would this be done? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; My third question concerns the other 18 pipes. The = arrangement looks kind of <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; like what you would see on a muffler and tailpipe, = with the large hole iin the <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; cap and a dowel pin on each side. Is this a typical = arrangement? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; I gather I am going to have to make a chest for these = 24 pipes (EM). Is there <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; some specific dimensional requirement for this? Do I = provide some extra space <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; in the toeboard area to help with the pipe speech? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; What kind of tubing would you-all suggest for = off-chesting these 24 pipes? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; How do you seal these? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Thanks for your help! I hope the negotiations for the = organ will be completed <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; in a day or two. If so, then I'll have some questions = about mkoving and <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; packing. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Regards, <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Roy Kersey <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: Wiring for EM chests <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; From: <JESS4203@AOL.COM> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:58:55 EST <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; --part1_143.4e414a1.292b20ef_boundary <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; hi Group: <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; I have a set of questions from yesterday about pipes, = but today I'm thinking <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; about wiring. My prospective organ has the cotton = covered wiring and at <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; least some of it is not yet hooked up --- to the four = contacts on the pedal <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; loom in particular. I was thinking that it might be = just as well to open the <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; chests and rewire with modern color coded wire. I = would spend time soldering <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; to the chest magnets, but when I got to wiring the = other ends, the color <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; coding would mean no test firing of each wire to = decide where to attach it, I <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; would just hook them up according ot the colors, = right? Another plus would <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; be if the organ is ever sold, it would be up to code = --- also correct? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; I would like to know where to get sets of wire for = this endeavor. Two ranks <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; are 73 pipes each and one is 97 pipes. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; TIA, <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Roy Kersey <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; --part1_143.4e414a1.292b20ef_boundary <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>hi Group: =   <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <BR> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <BR>I have a set of questions from yesterday about = pipes, but today I'm <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; thinking about &nbsp;wiring. &nbsp;My prospective = organ has the cotton covered <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; wiring and at least some of it is not yet hooked up = --- to the four contacts <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; on the pedal loom in particular. &nbsp;I was thinking = that it might be just as <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; well to open the chests and rewire with modern color = coded wire. &nbsp;I would <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; spend time soldering to the chest magnets, but when I = got to wiring the other <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; ends, the color coding would mean no test firing of = each wire to decide where <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; to attach it, I would just hook them up according ot = the colors, right? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &nbsp;Another plus would be if the organ is ever = sold, it would be up to code <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; --- also correct? <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <BR> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <BR>I would like to know where to get sets of wire = for this endeavor. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &nbsp;Two ranks are 73 pipes each and one is 97 = pipes. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <BR> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <BR>TIA, <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <BR>Roy Kersey</FONT> <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; --part1_143.4e414a1.292b20ef_boundary-- <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; End of DIYAPASON-L Digest <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and = builders of their own Residence <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Pipe Organs. <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV>&gt;DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of = their own <DIV></DIV>&gt;Residence Pipe Organs. <DIV></DIV>&gt;HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt;Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org <DIV></DIV>&gt; <DIV></DIV></FONT></div><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN = Explorer at <a = href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://explorer.msn.com</a>= <br></html>  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Arranging off-chest pipes From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 08:43:41 -0800   At 10:19 AM 11/25/01 -0600, Bart Kleineweber wrote: >On my web page at DIYapason, I have pictures of stacked pipes, one set is >the bottom 12 pipes of a wood 8' prinzipal, the other set is the bottom = 12 >pipes of a wood 16' Bordun. You do not have to put spacers inbetween the =   >pipes as the pipes themselves do not vibrate, just the column of air = inside.   One must be careful about this. The pipes themselves SHOULDN'T vibrate, but poorly made pipes made of indifferent or thin material WILL vibrate, and that is one of the prime reasons for weak bass in cheap organs. If = the pipes are well made, there will be no problem.   >I used floor to ceiling studs to keep them in place, but they would be = real >hard to knock over without them (because of the weight of the pipes), = it's >just a safety precaution.   Out here in the 'wilds' of California's earthquake country, it's more than 'just' a safety precaution...   >I don't know what you mean by pull toward one another, but the pipes can = be >as close or as far apart as your installation requires.   I assumed that Ron Kersey was speaking of the tendancy of adjacent pipes = to 'pull' their pitch so as to appear in tune when they actually weren't. This can be maddening, and often requires that a single pipe be 'remoted' or moved on the chest so that it is physically farther from its neighbors so that it can be properly tuned. Usually, a piece of plastic or rubber tubing can be used to move the pipe the required few inches. I once had = to rearrange a rank of orchestral oboe pipes in a large residence = installation because an overhead rack interfered with one pipe, causing it to be impossible to tune. Bass pipes aren't as affected by 'pulling' as mid-range pipes. Stopped pipes are less affected than open pipes of the same pitch. Bass pipes don't usually have to be precisely tuned anyway, as the human ear doesn't hear low pitches as precisely as higher pitches. Usually, they are tuned on installation, and never touched again.   Just the random thoughts of an old theatre-organ addict.     Regards, Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA NAWCC 140818 http://www.cuckoobob.com alternate mailto:cuckoobob@eudoramail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Arranging off-chest pipes From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:10:48 EST     In a message dated 11/25/01 10:20:53 AM, prinzipal8@hotmail.com writes:     >you do not have to put spacers inbetween >the pipes as the pipes themselves do not vibrate, just the column of air >inside. Stacking them directly on top of each other will not in any >way affect the sound     There is just one thing about stacking wood pipes on top of each other = like that, ALL the weight is on top of the bottom pipe, and the shop had a rank = of major open 16' pipes that were stacked for about a year for storage, when = I went to get them out, I discovered the weight of the 11 pipes on top of = Low C had warped the upper side of that pipe and the wood started a crack about = a foot long. There was another pipe higher up that had a warp on it's side = too from the weight above it.   We ALWAYS rack wood pipes, especially horizontals, by screwing them to racking in the back with screws through the rear of the mouth opening, and =   through the back from inside below the stopper or above it, screw head = sunk below surface. We also space the pipes a few MM. This way they all carry only their own weight and are secure, as well as = if you EVER had to remove one for some reason, maybe a crack develops... it's = a heck of a lot easier than having to remove all the pipes above the one you =   want, usually the one on the bottom!             Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/  
(back) Subject: New Webpage From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:32:40 -0400   I am going to be building a new webpage. I need to know if there is anyone that has suggestions on how I can make one up. I want it to be simple to make . I also want to have it with numerous pictures ANy suggestions I need to know a program to use and a server that will have it.     Daniel