DIYAPASON-L Digest #445 - Monday, November 26, 2001
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  New Webpage
  by "Roger Brown" <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au>
Re: Arranging offchest pipes & etc.
  by <Jess4203@aol.com>
Telephone Punch Down Blocks
  by "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Telephone Punch Down Blocks
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Telephone Punch Down Blocks
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@mindspring.com>
Tubular pneumatic chest conversion
  by "homer valenzona" <dochome@hotmail.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Tubular pneumatic chest conversion
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs] Tubular pneumatic chest conversion
  by "homer valenzona" <dochome@hotmail.com>
Re: Tubular pneumatic chest conversion
  by "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] New Webpage From: "Roger Brown" <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:44:48 +1100   Hello Daniel   DH> I am going to be building a new webpage. DH> I need to know if there is anyone that has suggestions on how I can = make DH> one up. DH> I want it to be simple to make . DH> I also want to have it with numerous pictures DH> ANy suggestions DH> I need to know a program to use and a server that will have it.   For that type of page, the simplest and easiest program is in my view the = html program that comes with Netscape V.4.xx (Netscape Composer).   Use the table feature to lay out a grid in which you can easily insert = pictures and captions.   Later when you have dabbled a bit and want more artistic DTP type layouts = you can graduate to a more capable program - the html program of choice for = more professional effects is Dreamweaver.   Tripod/Lycos is a good reliable provider of free webspace.       Regards,     Roger   Roger Brown rbrown7@bigpond.net.au http://rogerbrown.tripod.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Arranging offchest pipes & etc. From: <Jess4203@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:36:31 EST   Hi Group:   Thanks for the responses about the wiring and off-chesting. Bart, maybe I = didn't make myself clear. The 24 Bourdons I spoke of are part of a 97 = pipe rank of Bourdons/stopped flutes, as you recommended. There is a = chest for the top 73 pipes, but none for the bottom 24. The bottom six = are stacked on the back of the case horizontally and the other 18 are not = mounted, but there is a board (1x4) drilled to accept them. All of these = 24 have their feet cut off and plugged and have a hole drilled either in = the back of the foot or through the cap that forms the windway (on the = bottom front of the pipe). The 18 pipes which are not mounted have two = dowels, one on either side of the wind-hole, evidently for mounting on the = 1x4, which has two small holes on either side of the windholes, = appropriately placed. There does not appear to be a chest for these = bottom 24 pipes. One of my consultants has suggested using orgaflex to = hook these to a chest, but I guess a chest will have to be procured   As far as the wiring goes, it comes directly out of the chest through a = hole, so I guess rewiring would require getting into the chests. The tops = of the chests do appear to unscrew, so that wouldn't be a problem. The = consultant has suggested not rewiring right now, just ringing out the = wires and using the current electromechanical action, then rewiring when I = go to a solid state relay later.\   Well, that is about all the questions for now. I did see the organ again = yesterday and after making certain (I think!) that all the tiny pipes are = there, I did close the deal on it, and all that remains is to go get it, = next weekend, hopefully. So, I'm sure there will be lots of other = questions once the organ gets here. Thanks for all your help so far, = guys. I guess I am a full fledged organut now, although with just 3 = ranks, still just junior grade as yet.   Best Regards, Roy Kersey  
(back) Subject: Telephone Punch Down Blocks From: "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:09:52 -0600   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C17694.C7CDDF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Good morning to all. I hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving and = some free time to work on all the Pipe Organ projects. During all my collection of "stuff" while building Eleanor (my Pipe = Organ), I had the opportunity to collect a bunch of the telephone punch-down = blocks. I used them in my console to punch down the console cable back to the = Swell division where all my rank drivers are located. (I think I needed about = 60 wires.) Back there I also used punch-down blocks. That way, I could = remove the console cable without any cutting or re-soldering. I do have an over supply of these and every once-in-a-while find someone that can use some. If you could use any in your project, drop me a line = and I will be glad to ship them to new homes. (I have way too much "stuff" = here and there that I don't need and will never use, unless I win the lottery = and get that new house so I can add all those full length 16' pedal and manual reeds, that echo division, the 32' Bourdon, and ... OK, I am awake now!) This is a busy time for everyone, but also a time that a lot of people = find some spare holiday time to work on their instruments. If you have a = minute, why don't you drop a line to all our friends on the list and let us know what is up with your project and what you are planning to do next. I = always find these reports inspiring and often makes me want to get off the bench and do more stuff that I have been putting off. (I have some new pipework that I need to redo the rackboards to mount them. These new ranks replace some not-so-good ranks. Then I would need to regulate and voice. I can't wait, but then I hate to stop playing for a while to do the work!) So, what are you working on at the moment and what are your tasks over the next few months. Have a wonderful week and keep them cards and letters coming! Craig Elders   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C17694.C7CDDF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN class=3D340344815-26112001>Good morning to all.&nbsp; I hope everyone had = a wonderful Thanksgiving and some free time to work on all the Pipe Organ projects.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN class=3D340344815-26112001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN class=3D340344815-26112001>During all my collection of "stuff" while = building Eleanor (my Pipe Organ), I had the opportunity to collect a bunch of the telephone punch-down blocks.&nbsp;&nbsp; I used them in my console to = punch down the console cable back to the Swell division where all my rank drivers are =   located.&nbsp; (I think I needed about 60 wires.)&nbsp; Back there I also = used punch-down blocks.&nbsp; That way, I could remove the console cable = without any cutting or re-soldering.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN class=3D340344815-26112001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN = class=3D340344815-26112001>I do have an over supply of these and every once-in-a-while find someone = that can use some.&nbsp; If you could use any in your project, drop me a line and I = will be glad to ship them to new homes. (I have way too much "stuff" here and = there that I don't need and will never use, unless I win the lottery and get = that new house so I can add all those full length 16' pedal and manual reeds, that = echo division, the 32' Bourdon, and ...&nbsp; OK, I am awake now!)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN class=3D340344815-26112001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN class=3D340344815-26112001>This is a busy time for everyone, but also a = time that a lot of people find some spare holiday time to work on their = instruments.&nbsp; If you have a minute, why don't&nbsp;you drop a line to all our friends on = the list and let us know what is up with your project and what you are = planning to do next.&nbsp; I always find these reports inspiring and often&nbsp;makes = me want to get off the bench and do more stuff that I have been putting off.&nbsp;(I have some new pipework that I need to redo the rackboards to = mount them.&nbsp; These new ranks replace some not-so-good ranks.&nbsp; Then I = would need to regulate and voice.&nbsp; I can't wait, but then I hate to stop = playing for a while to do the work!)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN = class=3D340344815-26112001>So, what are you working on at the moment and what are your tasks over the = next few months.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN class=3D340344815-26112001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN class=3D340344815-26112001>Have a wonderful week and keep them cards and = letters coming!</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN class=3D340344815-26112001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN class=3D340344815-26112001>Craig Elders</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C17694.C7CDDF80--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Telephone Punch Down Blocks From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:26:49 -0400   How big are you punch down blocks I am adding a couple ranks top my Pipe Organ and could use a couple thanks Daniel    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Telephone Punch Down Blocks From: "Mac Hayes" <mach37@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:54:58 -0800   > "Elders, Craig" wrote: > ... telephone punch-down blocks. > ... > I do have an over supply of these and every once-in-a-while find > someone that can use some. If you could use any in your project, > drop me a line ...     Hi Craig,   I need some of these, too. Not sure exactly how many I'll need, but I have a 4M console of which I plan to only use 3 manuals; I'll eventually have about 15 ranks, plus some electronic voices.   Mac Hayes Rosamond, CA  
(back) Subject: Tubular pneumatic chest conversion From: "homer valenzona" <dochome@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:13:20 +0000   Dear List, I have two tubular pneumatic chests for manuals {4rks and 3 rks; maker unknown, probably Austin} and it comes with the primary boxes{?} altho the =   lead tubes that connect the chests to the boxes had been removed. I would =   like to explore the idea of electrifying the action, hopefully electropneumatic and with the hope of using the rows upon rows of cone valves{?} that appear to be in perfectly usable condition.Just from the looks of it, electropnematic valves {which are easier to find used and cheaper} might be used to control the collapse of the cone valves that = plug the toe hole with the round felt thingy that sits on the leather = diaphragm. Is this a good way to do it. Your opinion/advise would be highly appreciated. Best regards Homer     _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Tubular pneumatic chest conversion From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:20:05 -0800   homer,   If you got those from me, they're Hinners!   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Tubular pneumatic chest conversion From: "homer valenzona" <dochome@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:00:47 +0000   Hi John, Yes they were the chests I got from you. They are Hinners then Homer   ----Original Message Follows---- From: John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Reply-To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Tubular pneumatic chest conversion Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:20:05 -0800   homer,   If you got those from me, they're Hinners!   John V   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org       _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp    
(back) Subject: Re: Tubular pneumatic chest conversion From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:47:47 -0500   "homer valenzona" <dochome@hotmail.com> and John Vanderlee <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> discussed a pair of windchests. From Homer's description, it sounded like these are the Hinners "mushroom" (or "toadstool") chests rather than real cone valve chests.   The "mushroom" chests are ventil chests, in which the wind supply to each stop is controlled by a large valve, and each note of which has a round leather pouch with an attached valve that seats against the bottom side of the toeboard. These pouches are formed of individually-turned wooden "bowls" sitting atop a wooden dowel that is bored out and also serves to connect the interior of the pouch with the note-channel that is routed in the bottom board. If you removed the bottom boards, which run front-to-back on the chest, you will also remove the associated = "mushrooms".   These chests were used on most of Hinners' tubular-pneumatic organs (about 200 of them) and probably also on most of their electro-pneumatic organs (another 200 or so); their remaing 2700 or so organs were trackers. A = very few Hinners organs had real cone-valve chests ("Kegellagen"), ventil = chests in which the note valves were opened via inflated pneumatics that were exposed (!) beneath the chests. I've seen exactly one such instrument, an original installation that was barely playable 5 years ago, having been unused for many years.   Back to Homer's chests -- in the early 1960s I worked on a residence organ project, the rebuilding of a 6-rank Hinners t-p into a "neo-baroque" instrument in an organ professor's living room. The two 3-rank chests = were used as-were but with the addition of standard exhaust magnets to operate the chests' primaries. This was perfectly workable since the = specification called for 3 straight stops on each manual. By now, the leather might = well want to be replaced. In that case, you can do it, but be careful that the new pouches have the same amount of "dish" as the originals. Providing = too much "dish" can be disastrous in that the valves can then *fail* to seat properly and the chest will cipher (or at least whimper).   If the organ design calls for unification, then it is possible to remove the "mushrooms" entirely and fit electro-mechanical valves to the bottoms of the toeboards. The usual consideration would want to be given to matters such as the need for expansion chambers, the style of voicing of the pipework, and so on.   Larry Chace