DIYAPASON-L Digest #421 - Sunday, October 28, 2001
RE: [Residence Organs]  Cresendo indicator
  by "Gregory Rister" <>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cresendo indicator
  by "F. Richard Burt" <>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cresendo indicator
  by "Kelvin Smith" <>

(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Cresendo indicator From: "Gregory Rister" <> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:34:19 -0700   John,   Well, you could rig up your crescendo indicator with a light for each = added stop, but you might go blind before you hit FF. . .   Basically, an average crescendo indicator which uses light indicators (whether LED or incandescent) simply tells you how far along you are in = the number of stops activated by the crescendo. Yes, you can usually tell = this by hearing it, but you can't hear how much of the crescendo is NOT = engaged, because it's not playing! So, if you're looking to slowly build up to a tremendous climax, you can get a general idea of how much you have left in resources, this assuming that the crescendo pedal was programmed competently.   Like most of the other responses indicate, I think that the crescendo = pedal is not so often used if you have a good combination action. The little Moller I play on Sundays has a mechanical combination action which is = quite worthless (I'm twice as fast with hand registration), so I OCCASIONALLY = use the crescendo to achieve a tutti when I need one in a hurry. My little Moller has but one light telling me that the crescendo is engaged. Would five or six lights be more helpful? Probably, but if one knows the organ (I sure know my little Moller)it isn't that critical, and would probably = be more useful to a guest organist.   LEDs are sure pretty, though.   Greg Rister The Pipe Organ Craftsmen Pomona, California     > [Original Message] > From: Jon Fick <> > To: <> > Date: 10/27/2001 7:58:16 PM > Subject: [Residence Organs] Cresendo indicator > > Can someone describe the operation of sequential crescendo indicators? > > I've seen the mechanical type that simply have a pointer that moves across a > slot and simply indicates shoe position. What I'm interested in are the > type that have lamps or LEDs that are sequential turned on by the crescendo > shoe contacts. > > Particularly, is their purpose to tell you the present shoe position = just > like the mechanical indicators? Or is it rigged such that each lamp = turns > on when another voice is added into the mix? If it's the latter, how do you > connect it so that it's valid for both Great and Swell? (Consider the > instance where you are playing in the Swell, but moving the crescendo > happens to add an unheard Great voice and turns on that lamp. = Therefore, a > lamp turned on but no additional voice was heard.) > > Do any of you have an opinion (quick, duck!) if crescendo indicators, in > general, are useful? > > Thanks. > > Jon Fick > Westford, Vermont > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : > List: > Administration:       --- Gregory Rister --- --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cresendo indicator From: "F. Richard Burt" <> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 07:05:14 -0600   Gregory Rister wrote: > > John, > > Well, you could rig up your crescendo indicator with a light > for each added stop, but you might go blind before you hit FF. . .   I've seen some variants on the indicators. 1. A single lamp that tell you that the crescendo is on. This is the way Schantz indicates that the crescendo is on, assuming that you will remember how much you have engaged. It sure beats trying to play something soft with a flute stop and being surprised with the noise. 2. We used four lamps to indicate pp - mf - f - ff on consoles built by Saville. 3. Some of the more modern consoles are using florescent indicators to give you a progression of the crescendo pedal from off to full. The indicators are mounted vertically in the nameboard out to the right. I have not been bothered by them. The only time they move (change) is when you change the crescendo pedal setting. So, why would that bother you? It give visual feedback to what is happening physically. 4. More recently, LCD indicators are coming into use where the crescendo setting is indicated by a series of two-digit numerals in the illuminated box. 00 obviously indicates no crescendo engaged, and 99 (or whatever number chosen) indicates fully ON. I have a console in the shop that will use this type of crescendo indicator. Playing conventions and preferences vary. We now have the ability to put almost anything you might imagine on a console. One man's preference, however, may be another's bain. The influence of the modern computer and other electronic gadgetry will continue to provide other options for useful indicators and conveniences. F. Richard Burt ..  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cresendo indicator From: "Kelvin Smith" <> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 07:08:31 -0700   Hi all,   I've played a lot of organs where a crescendo pedal was quite useless, especially the little 5 rankers and some neo-baroque ones where every stop stuck out no matter what combination it was used in. But I've played some where the crescendo was wonderfully fun like the Salt Lake Tabernacle organ. But when I use the crescendo pedal the most is accompanying choirs, where I think they're a necessity.   But for indicators, I installed an Artisan system in my organ last year = and I have an lcd display where it displays a number for each of the swell pedals and the crescendo pedal. For the swells, it increments each time a shade opens and the crescendo increments each time a stop is added. I find myself watching the numbers very closely and remembering what numbers I want to reach at different points in the piece. I frankly can't tell by listening if I have closed the last shade or not, but by watching the numbers, I can make sure I have saved one to close at the end of the last note, for example. On other organs I used to glance up at the swell shades to tell that, but sometimes that isn't very practical or even possible.   I don't think successive lamps are as informative, but if you have to set it before you start playing or while you are accompaning a choir and can't hear so clearly they are a big help. The electronic appliance I play for church is just dreadful when it comes to using what doesn't warrant being called a swell shade, but a volume control; I have to set the right volume before starting a hymn and it is somewhere in the middle of the range and = a small variation to one side or the other makes a big difference in the volume and there is no way to know what I have until I start playing. So I have to have one foot on the swell when I start, so I can make the correction as quick as possible, if necessary. I'm afraid that I just get = a sick feeling in my stomach when I think about having to sit at that piece of junk and pretend to be making music. (This list is devoted to pipe organs isn't it?...)   But I'm all in favor of indicators for the swell and crescendo pedals.   It would be possible to program a crescendo pedal indicator to detect what keyboards were being used and only increment when stops on that keyboard were added. I am just sure that has never been done. Usually we couple all the keyboards together and then do the crescendo. It is an interesting comment, however. The crescendo at the Salt Lake Tabernacle is = programmable and when I was playing recitals there, I was allowed program one of the three versions that were available. I played Franck's Choral in B Minor once, and at the end I used the crescendo to build up to the final climax. But I remember I wanted to keep the choir/positiv separate from the great so that the voices would have greater independance and not have dead = notes, so I kept the choir/positiv to great off the crescendo until really late = in the crescendo, and on that organ, the two divisions were able to crescendo very smoothly independantly, and it worked well. When I programmed the crescendo on my organ, I worried about where to add the couplers and finally decided that I wanted to be able do keep the divisions separate if I wanted, so added the couplers late again. I decided that usually I would put the couplers on by hand before the crescendo. I remember I used it = both ways for my Christmas program last year. I guess all that isn't really relavent to the original question, but it made me think of it.   Kelvin