DIYAPASON-L Digest #422 - Monday, October 29, 2001
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cresendo indicator
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cresendo indicator
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cresendo indicator
  by "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cresendo indicator
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cresendo indicator
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
pipe scales and temperament
  by "homer valenzona" <dochome@hotmail.com>
Progress
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cresendo indicator From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:01:02 -0800   Hi Jon,   when we specified the electronic relay for our Bardavon wurlitzer, we asked for just that.   Each chamber has 12 sequential shutter motors corresponding to the 12 contacts on the swell pedal. The electronic signal derived from the pedal activates each motor and simultaneously drives a bar of 12 LEDs on the console. since the console is often played from the alcove - not the best for the organist, the organist can visually "see" the positions of the swell shades.   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cresendo indicator From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:08:48 -0800   I should have added in my previous post, that the relay spec also provided for a crescendo pedal. Since we only have two swell pedals flipping a switch puts them in crescendo mode, that is: the left one now operates both chambers simultaneously, and the right does a crescendo, which is indicated by a red LED (warning) and a separate set of twelve amber LEDS tracking the crescendo. since we have organists of all preferences and abilities everybody is happy.   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cresendo indicator From: "Jon Calvo" <jcalvo@mail.state.tn.us> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:30:08 -0600   This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages.   --=3D_F1AB1A09.ABCAA4F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ** For Your Eyes Only ** ** High Priority **   Randall=3D20 I agree with you that sometimes the Crescendo can be useful and at the =3D same time the can be just as much as a detraction as a help , I am =3D reminder of a story that happened to a friend of mine that was organist at = =3D a Methodist church in VA , Jim was know for his great playing one morning = =3D he had just set the organ for the Allauea he did not know that the =3D Creas.Indicator light had blown out and this was a Moller organ 50+ ranks = =3D so insteand of a quite Alluea he got full organ , needless to say it =3D really woke up the perishers , and all because of one little indicator =3D light was not working , so it just goes to show you , it is always =3D something=3D20   john C   >>> Mpmollerorgan@aol.com 10/27/01 10:14PM >>>   In a message dated 10/27/01 10:01:34 PM, jon@VermontFicks.org writes:   >Do any of you have an opinion (quick, duck!) if crescendo indicators, in >general, are useful?   I do I do... I think they are distractive novelty gadgets, but which after a while = =3D lose=3D20 their novelty and become more of a distraction. I would first think, does = =3D an=3D20 organist who is not stone deaf really NEED a bank of glowing lights to =3D tell=3D20 him or her what or how many stops are on??   I don't think so. My Moller console has a mechanical indicator which for mild historic =3D reasons=3D20 of trying to keep the console original I'd like to make work, however... = =3D I=3D20 won't be using the crescendo sho as it was, it will be instead connected = =3D to=3D20 one of the swell shades (divided chamber Great/Swell under sep expression) = =3D so=3D20 one shoe will operate the Sw and the other the Gt shade, if I want =3D crescendo=3D20 I can darn well hit a thumb piston or tabs. I suppose doing so will mean having to decide how to use the indicator =3D or=3D20 adding a duplicate.           Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org   --=3D_F1AB1A09.ABCAA4F4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type=3D > <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"FONT: 8pt MS Sans Serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 2px; MARGIN-TOP: = =3D 2px"> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>Randall </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>I agree with you that sometimes the Crescendo can be = =3D useful=3D20 and at the same time the can be just as much as a detraction as a help , I = =3D am=3D20 reminder of a story that happened to a friend of mine that was organist at = =3D a=3D20 Methodist church in VA , Jim was know for his great playing one morning he = =3D had=3D20 just set the organ for the Allauea he did not know that&nbsp; the=3D20 Creas.Indicator light had blown out and this was a Moller organ 50+ ranks = =3D so=3D20 insteand of a quite Alluea he got full organ , needless to say it really = =3D woke up=3D20 the perishers , and all because of one little indicator light was not =3D working ,=3D20 so it just goes to show you , it is always something </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D1>john C</FONT><BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Mpmollerorgan@aol.com">Mpmollerorgan@aol.com</A> 10/27/01 = =3D 10:14PM=3D20 &gt;&gt;&gt;<BR><BR>In a message dated 10/27/01 10:01:34 PM,=3D20 jon@VermontFicks.org writes:<BR><BR>&gt;Do any of you have an opinion =3D (quick,=3D20 duck!) if crescendo indicators, in<BR>&gt;general, are useful?<BR><BR>I do =3D I=3D20 do...<BR>I think they are distractive&nbsp; novelty gadgets,&nbsp; but =3D which=3D20 after a while lose <BR>their novelty and become more of a distraction. I = =3D would=3D20 first think, does an <BR>organist who is not stone deaf really NEED a bank = =3D of=3D20 glowing lights to tell <BR>him or her what or how many stops are = on??<BR><B=3D R>I=3D20 don't think so.<BR>My Moller console has a mechanical indicator which for = =3D mild=3D20 historic reasons <BR>of trying to keep the console original I'd like to = =3D make=3D20 work, however... I <BR>won't be using the crescendo sho as it was, it will = =3D be=3D20 instead connected to <BR>one of the swell shades (divided chamber =3D Great/Swell=3D20 under sep expression) so <BR>one shoe will operate the Sw and the other = =3D the Gt=3D20 shade, if I want crescendo <BR>I can darn well hit a thumb piston or =3D tabs.<BR>I=3D20 suppose doing so will mean having to decide how to use the indicator = or=3D20 <BR>adding a duplicate.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Randall<BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/">http://members.aol.com/mpm= ol=3D lerorgan/</A><BR><BR>DIYAPASON-L:=3D20 a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own <BR>Residence =3D Pipe=3D20 Organs.<BR>HOMEPAGE : <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org/">http://www.diyapason.pipechat= .o=3D rg</A><BR>List:=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= /A=3D ><BR>Administration:&nbsp;=3D20 <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= ha=3D t.org</A><BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>   --=3D_F1AB1A09.ABCAA4F4--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cresendo indicator From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@home.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:20:41 -0600   Good Morning, Folks: I met a professional organ sales and service fellow who also like to play theater organ. This is a true story. As most of you know, many theater organists work the swell shades a lot to provide a third dimension to the music. The music and style allow for many effects like this. If the organist know what he is doing, and knows the organ well, this often works. The man to whom I talked about in the opening paragraph did not use the swell shoes at all. He shoved them completely open for full effect and moved his foot to the CRESCENDO pedal where he worked it up and down pretty close to the beat of the music. My question to you is: using that technique with the crescendo pedal, would lights flashing on and off 60 or more times per minute detract from what is being played? <grins> F. Richard Burt effarbee@home.com ..  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cresendo indicator From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:41:05 -0800   Well, since you DID ask for opinions... ;-)   YES!!! All of those flashing lights can be a distraction. They could = also provide a fourth 'dimension' to the playing: a visual 'colour organ' if = you will. I think the working of the crescendo rather than the swells = detracts rather than adds to the music, as stops going on and off within, rather than at the beginning or end of a phrase, can be an aural distraction. William Barnes (of 'Contemporary American Organ' fame) referred to the crescendo as '...the first and last refuge of the incompetant = organist...'. I couldn't agree more! In theatre organ playing, as practiced by many of the presently-popular organists (and learned from such past greats as = Jesse Crawford) the crescendo is used to accent single notes or chords by = opening the shoe wide for that note, and immediately closing it. If such loud reeds as tuba, trumpet, post horn, etc. are programmed to come on with the first contact, an accent can be obtained which can add much charm to the music. If the swells are worked along with the crescendo, a real accent can be obtained. I'm not describing this technique too well, but that's the way it's done. At any rate, you DID ask for opinions... ;-) Regards, Bob, Itinerant Theatre Organist Without Portfolio (or position) At 11:20 AM 10/29/01 -0600, F. Richard Burt wrote: >Good Morning, Folks: > >I met a professional organ sales and service fellow who also >like to play theater organ. This is a true story. > >As most of you know, many theater organists work the swell >shades a lot to provide a third dimension to the music. The >music and style allow for many effects like this. > >If the organist know what he is doing, and knows the organ well, >this often works. > >The man to whom I talked about in the opening paragraph did not >use the swell shoes at all. He shoved them completely open for >full effect and moved his foot to the CRESCENDO pedal where he >worked it up and down pretty close to the beat of the music. > >My question to you is: using that technique with the crescendo >pedal, would lights flashing on and off 60 or more times per >minute detract from what is being played? > ><grins> > >F. Richard Burt >effarbee@home.com > > >. > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: pipe scales and temperament From: "homer valenzona" <dochome@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:53:28 +0000   Dear List, I'd like to know if there are pipe scaling considerations if one plans to build pipes (flues and baroque reeds) for an organ that will be tuned in quarter comma meantone temperament.I'd appreciate your advice and = reference to reading material on the subject.Thanks in advance. Homer   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp    
(back) Subject: Progress From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:48:55 EST   Happy to say I have one of my chests completed and ready to put back in, = for the V Cel and V Diap.   I also had a brainstorm last night and did some looking and figured it = would work out, I have a little sort of closet or old pantry room off the livingroom which was the original dining room in this circa 1900 farm = house, it's 46" by 7-1/2' with a window at one end. Till now I used it for my computer desk, the length of which had to be shortened 1/2" to fit the = width of the "room." I also had four of the #2 scale pedal bourdons in there = too. So I decided if I take the desk out, presto, the chest for pedal bourdon = #1 scale notes 1 thru 8 which was going to go under the floor in the basement =   and be hosed up, would fit perfectly in the little room instead. Only stickler is C1,C#2 and D3 cant stand on the chest but will have to = stand on the floor with the pipe feet hosed down through the floor to the basement over a few feet and up through the floor to the top of the chest =   with flex hose. But as a bonus I discovered that the empty space over the chest where 1,2,and 3 would have stood had I enough ceiling height is = perfect for the 30" long chest for notes 9,10,11 and 12 if I piggyback the little chest a few inches above the 3 flex lines coming out of C1,C#2 and D3 = valve holes.   9,10,11 and 12 are short enough pipes that even the raised chest height = will clear the 9'9" ceiling. There's also bourdon #2 scale C1, C#2 D3 and D#4 in there on the other = wall, with enough room now for E5 to fit out of the way. I have a 4" PVC line in the basement to the general area and it will = reduce to 3" to fit the original 3" hole on the chests for 1-8 and 9-12, 13-32 = are on 3 small chests adjacent in a space created by removing an old china = hutch and building a 6' deep stepped platform there which is over the basement stairs, thus the reason it needed to be a stepped platform. So with 9-12 out of that little stepped platform area, the rest of the = pipes 13-32 are much easier to access and less restriction around the opening. Happy to say the chest for 1-8 was in perfectly good condition, pouches tight, valves good, magnets okay, and just rewired it and cleaned it.       Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/