DIYAPASON-L Digest #385 - Thursday, September 13, 2001
 
Recent events
  by "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk>
Questions about actions and chests
  by <Jess4203@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Questions about actions and chests
  by "Fr. Larry Covington" <larry.covington@St-Louis.org>
 

(back) Subject: Recent events From: "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:20:29 +0100   My prayers and deepest sympathy are with those who have been bereaved or injured in the recent terrorist attacks on the US (and hence the whole of civilisation!)   We will remember you in our prayers - particularly in our service Sunday morning.   I pray that justice will prevail over the desire to "lash out" at = perceived enemies with no proof. (I do have some understanding of the feelings, as = we lived in Birmingham at the time of the IRA pub bombs in the 1970's). I = also pray for those who seek to bring the love of God into the situation, and that in some way He will bring good out of tragedy.   Some will ask "where was God in all this?" He is there, with the victims, with those who are suffering. He is present in all those who believe and trust in Him.   I'm aware that this post is inadequate and late - I only returned from holiday yesterday evening, and have read what others have said.   Every blessing.   Tony    
(back) Subject: Questions about actions and chests From: <Jess4203@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:59:27 EDT     --part1_66.1432c2fb.28d2be7f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear list members:   Like most of you, I am still in shock about the events of the past few = days. However, I am trying to get back to a normal routine even though I feel = the world will never be quite the same. I think we need our music more than = ever now to show us why we live and what we celebrate, so that we are firm in combating terrorists but we don't "become the thing we hate." I don't = think we are going to find any musicians among the terrorists, but I do think we =   will find that love and peace and brotherhood are all through our music = and will keep us grounded as we steer through the difficult days ahead.   As you know I am still in the planning stages for a small house organ. I have some ideas about how to come by a console and some pipes. I have = found some small EM unit organs available very reasonably and there is also the possiblity of acquiring a 1920's Moller with about 7 ranks and a duplex EP =   chest. I may use some judicious unification but don't want the whole = organ unified if I can help it. The Moller console has been recommended as = being built like a tank and rather reliable. The Moller EP chests might have to = be redone, and one person tells me this isn't too difficult, but another = tells me it is a great chore and there are about $700 worth of parts to buy = before even getting started. I am also told the wiring is cotton insulated and would need to be completely redone to bring it up to code, which is going = to be a big job, too. I wonder what input other list members would have on this. Could this console be used with direct electric chests? Can I mix = an EP chest with a direct electric one?   The 7 ranks of the Moller would fit in a space about 9 wide by 6 deep by = 11.5 high, although the height could be reduce by moving the facade pipes to an =   offset chest. While I'm not wanting to build a tracker right now, I have = both the Milne and the Wicks book and they both indicate much smaller sizes for =   trackers of about 5 ranks. I'm thinking that I can get a Moller or = similar EP console or an EM console and a set of pipes that I can revoice/modify/ live with, but I'm wondering about what type of chests to buy or build = that will produce the smallest footprint. I am well aware that I can miter = pipes, use Haskell basses and tube off ranks or portions of ranks to keep it = small. I don't know how the wind reservoir and chests can be set up for the = smallest reasonable footprint, and that's what I'd like your input on. The size I wanted was about 10 wide by 5 deep by 7.5 high. Only the height is a = have to, to fit under a standard ceiling. If I can get EP or EM chests as = small as those in the Wicks/Milne books, I should be able to get more than seven =   ranks in that footprint. Is this doable, or not?   Should I find an EP chest, I am not sure what is the best way to rebuild = it. I have also been advised that if I use an EM chest, it should have a reservoir of some sort below the magnet (I think), "to help with the = speech." I'm not sure exactly what this means. I've also been told the size of an =   electric only chest is limited by the size of the magnets --- while the treble pipes may not require much room, the magnets below them do and = limit how small you can make the channels (right word?) that run from front = toback of the chest.   I'm going to sneak in one pipe question. Has anyone got any experience = with cutting pipes and soldering them back together to lower the cutup? This would seem the only way to redo some pipes more toward low wind pressures = and chiff and chamber voicing.   Thanks for your help, guys.   Best Regards, Roy   --part1_66.1432c2fb.28d2be7f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dear list members: <BR> <BR>Like most of you, I am still in shock about the events of the past few days. &nbsp;However, I am trying to get back to a normal routine = even though I feel the world will never be quite the same. &nbsp;I think = we need our music more than ever now to show us why we live and what we = celebrate, so that we are firm in combating terrorists but we don't = "become the thing we hate." &nbsp;I don't think we are going to find any = musicians among the terrorists, but I do think we will find that love and = peace and brotherhood are &nbsp;all through our music and will keep us = grounded as we steer through the difficult days ahead. <BR> <BR>As you know I am still in the planning stages for a small house organ. = &nbsp;I have some ideas about how to come by a console and some pipes. = &nbsp;I have found some small EM unit organs available very reasonably and = there is also the possiblity of acquiring a 1920's Moller with about 7 = ranks and a duplex EP chest. &nbsp;I may use some judicious unification = but don't want the whole organ unified if I can help it. &nbsp;The Moller = console has been recommended as being built like a tank and rather = reliable. &nbsp;The Moller EP chests might have to be redone, and one = person tells me this isn't too difficult, but another tells me it is a = great chore and there are about $700 worth of parts to buy before even = getting started. &nbsp;I am also told the wiring is cotton insulated and = would need to be completely redone to bring it up to code, which is going = to be a big job, too. &nbsp;I wonder what input other list members would = have on this. &nbsp;Could this console be used with direct elec <BR> <BR>The 7 ranks of the Moller would fit in a space about 9 wide by 6 deep = by 11.5 high, although the height could be reduce by moving the facade = pipes to an offset chest. While I'm not wanting to build a tracker right = now, I have both the Milne and the Wicks book and they both indicate much = smaller sizes for trackers of about 5 ranks. &nbsp;I'm thinking that I can = get a Moller or similar EP console or an EM console and a set of pipes = that I can revoice/modify/ live with, but I'm wondering about what type of = chests to buy or build that will produce the smallest footprint. &nbsp;I = am well aware that I can miter pipes, use Haskell basses and tube off = ranks or portions of ranks to keep it small. &nbsp;I don't know how the = wind reservoir and chests can be set up for the smallest reasonable = footprint, and that's what I'd like your input on. &nbsp;The size I wanted = was about 10 wide by 5 deep by 7.5 high. &nbsp;&nbsp;Only the height is a = have to, to fit under a standard ceiling. &nbsp;If I ca <BR> <BR>Should I find an EP chest, I am not sure what is the best way to = rebuild it. &nbsp;I have also been advised that if I use an EM chest, it = should have a reservoir of some sort below the magnet (I think), "to help = with the speech." &nbsp;I'm not sure exactly what this means. &nbsp;I've = also been told the size of an electric only chest is limited by the size = of the magnets --- while the treble pipes may not require much room, the = magnets below them do and limit how small you can make the channels (right = word?) that run from front toback of the chest. <BR> <BR>I'm going to sneak in one pipe question. &nbsp;Has anyone got any = experience with cutting pipes and soldering them back together to lower = the cutup? &nbsp;This would seem the only way to redo some pipes more = toward low wind pressures and chiff and chamber voicing. <BR> <BR>Thanks for your help, guys. <BR> <BR>Best Regards, <BR>Roy &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_66.1432c2fb.28d2be7f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Questions about actions and chests From: "Fr. Larry Covington" <larry.covington@St-Louis.org> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:33:25 -0500   Hi Roy,   Couple of thoughts for you from my experience. Moller Chests are good AND BULKY! depending on the date they are fairly easy to re-leather and = re-wire but make no mistake this is a CHORE. Yes you will have to re-wire using color -coded cable i.e. Western-Electric code..but you would want to do this anyway to make the job easier. And it IS required by code. I noted that you wanted a chest that took up little space..direct-electric is the only way to go with out going to slider chests which are expensive. = Slider chests also preclude unification. For home use I think you can't beat a basic DE chest both in terms of cost and reliability. And to those who think they are unmusical I say phooey. Now about cutting up pipes. Unless you have the equipment, skill, and understanding of cut-up/scales etc. I wouldn't attempt it. Even cutting down pipes like old 8' strings or Dulcianas to make 2' stops takes = figuring out where the stop "halfs" and removing some pipes in order to preserve = the halving ratio. Re-soldering pipes without the right kind of irons is = unwise and without experience you can make a real mess.   Now about chiff. Chiff in a big room with lots of ambience is great and some articulation is required but I wouldn't go overboard in a home. I = have a Wicks gedeckt from the late sixties that barked like a hound dog and = used it for awhile in the house until I couldn't take it anymore. I RAISED the cut-up and nicked the languid only and now it is much warmer. There is still some articulation but at least I don't have a marimba for a flute! Another warning, I have a voicing jack so I can take ranks and revoice = them and then put them back into the organ. Even then the task is very time consuming in order to get even results.   I don't mean to sound discouraging but I speak from some experience of my own mistakes and have a pile of worthless pipe experiments in storage to prove it!   Sounds like you already have some good leads. Progress carefully!   Looking for a peaceful day,   Larry > -----Original Message----- > From: Jess4203@aol.com [SMTP:Jess4203@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:59 PM > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Subject: [Residence Organs] Questions about actions and chests > > Dear list members: > > Like most of you, I am still in shock about the events of the past few > days. However, I am trying to get back to a normal routine even though = I > feel the world will never be quite the same. I think we need our music > more than ever now to show us why we live and what we celebrate, so that > we are firm in combating terrorists but we don't "become the thing we > hate." I don't think we are going to find any musicians among the > terrorists, but I do think we will find that love and peace and > brotherhood are all through our music and will keep us grounded as we > steer through the difficult days ahead. > > As you know I am still in the planning stages for a small house organ. = I > have some ideas about how to come by a console and some pipes. I have > found some small EM unit organs available very reasonably and there is > also the possiblity of acquiring a 1920's Moller with about 7 ranks and = a > duplex EP chest. I may use some judicious unification but don't want = the > whole organ unified if I can help it. The Moller console has been > recommended as being built like a tank and rather reliable. The Moller = EP > chests might have to be redone, and one person tells me this isn't too > difficult, but another tells me it is a great chore and there are about > $700 worth of parts to buy before even getting started. I am also told > the wiring is cotton insulated and would need to be completely redone to > bring it up to code, which is going to be a big job, too. I wonder what > input other list members would have on this. Could this console be used > with direct elec > > The 7 ranks of the Moller would fit in a space about 9 wide by 6 deep by > 11.5 high, although the height could be reduce by moving the facade pipes > to an offset chest. While I'm not wanting to build a tracker right now, = I > have both the Milne and the Wicks book and they both indicate much = smaller > sizes for trackers of about 5 ranks. I'm thinking that I can get a = Moller > or similar EP console or an EM console and a set of pipes that I can > revoice/modify/ live with, but I'm wondering about what type of chests = to > buy or build that will produce the smallest footprint. I am well aware > that I can miter pipes, use Haskell basses and tube off ranks or = portions > of ranks to keep it small. I don't know how the wind reservoir and = chests > can be set up for the smallest reasonable footprint, and that's what I'd > like your input on. The size I wanted was about 10 wide by 5 deep by = 7.5 > high. Only the height is a have to, to fit under a standard ceiling. = If > I ca > > Should I find an EP chest, I am not sure what is the best way to rebuild > it. I have also been advised that if I use an EM chest, it should have = a > reservoir of some sort below the magnet (I think), "to help with the > speech." I'm not sure exactly what this means. I've also been told the > size of an electric only chest is limited by the size of the magnets --- > while the treble pipes may not require much room, the magnets below them > do and limit how small you can make the channels (right word?) that run > from front toback of the chest. > > I'm going to sneak in one pipe question. Has anyone got any experience > with cutting pipes and soldering them back together to lower the cutup? > This would seem the only way to redo some pipes more toward low wind > pressures and chiff and chamber voicing. > > Thanks for your help, guys. > > Best Regards, > Roy