DIYAPASON-L Digest #551 - Wednesday, April 3, 2002
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Fish glue
  by "Duane Austin" <duanet@execpc.com>
cross my fingers X "Fish glue"
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Fish glue
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Fish glue
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: Spencer Blower Hunt! (cross posted)
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Fish glue
  by "Steven Durham" <sdurham11@attbi.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Fish glue
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Spencer Blower Hunt! (cross posted)
  by "Mike Blackwell" <mblackwell@wallace.com>
Warning to anyone on thsi list who gets a private email from me
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fish glue From: "Duane Austin" <duanet@execpc.com> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:44:43 -0600   Hello All I did the three regulators on my Barton Theatre Organ and the matching = trems about 5 or 6 years ago, using Fish Glue. My blower puts out 20" of static and the tibia is running on 12". The Tibia regulator get more abuse with the trem on (which it always is) = in a month than a classical regulator gets in a year. I have never had any signs of a failure of any kind, and I have done ALL = my releatherng with Fish Glue. IMHO hot glue is a pain in the glue pot!!!! Duane Austin   Tim Bovard wrote:   > Hi, Stan -- > > "Many years" no. But I have tried to use fish glue once or twice = several > years ago (as a sort-of experiment...nothing scientific by any means) = and I > was no more impressed with it than Richard. Fish glue has a longer = 'tack' > period than hide glue -- thus, things tend to 'creep' if not clamped > securely while it dries. That's a pain when you're talking about = leather > things. Hide glue seems (to me) to be better at "staying put once it = gets > stuck somewhere". (Once you *do* get something glued together with fish > glue it seems to stay there...but getting it there was problematic.) > > FWIW, I have also had excellent luck with Franklin Liquid Hide glue. It > hasn't really yet stood the test of decades, but I have fewer qualms = with > using it in organ leather work than I would for using white leather > glues...even if it ultimately fails the time test, it is still easily > removable in favor of the real thing. > > Happy Gluing -- > > Tim > > At 07:16 PM 4/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Greetings all, > >We are using fish glue for the first time, and the boss is somewhat = nervous > >about this fact. > > > >To help erase his fears, could those of you who have used fish glue for = many > >years kindly let him know that it is as reliable as hide glue. Who has = used > >it for more than 3 decades (or am I showing my ignorance here?). > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: cross my fingers X "Fish glue" From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:08:33 -0400   I hope I dont have a failure, I used fish glue for refelting and releathering my alider chest pallets.How ever I was warned that if I had = any resevoir s or pneumatics to releather , to stay away from it as it didnt have the strength to hold anything that has preassure inside it. so far With just using it for what I used it for ,I havent had a failure yet. Being it is still only 3 years from the time i did it DWH      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fish glue From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:32:35 -0600   I guess the answer here, since we are talking about our own organ restorations, whatever works for you is fine. Frankly I like HOT GLUE and usually have the pot going when I'm working on the organ. Back in my apprentice days we used HOT GLUE for reservoirs, large pneumatics, felt padding packing etc..usually for things we wanted to set up quick. For small pneumatics and pouches cold glue was the glue of choice as it set up =   slower. For mine own organ I use HOT GLUE for everything. Somehow fish glue doesn't do it for me and I feel scaly when I use it.   Happy Glue-ing   Jon   At 11:15 PM 4/2/02 -0600, you wrote: >Hi, Stan -- > >"Many years" no. But I have tried to use fish glue once or twice = several >years ago (as a sort-of experiment...nothing scientific by any means) and =   >I was no more impressed with it than Richard. Fish glue has a longer >'tack' period than hide glue -- thus, things tend to 'creep' if not >clamped securely while it dries. That's a pain when you're talking about =   >leather things. Hide glue seems (to me) to be better at "staying put = once >it gets stuck somewhere". (Once you *do* get something glued together >with fish glue it seems to stay there...but getting it there was = problematic.) > >FWIW, I have also had excellent luck with Franklin Liquid Hide glue. It >hasn't really yet stood the test of decades, but I have fewer qualms with =   >using it in organ leather work than I would for using white leather >glues...even if it ultimately fails the time test, it is still easily >removable in favor of the real thing. > >Happy Gluing -- > >Tim > > >At 07:16 PM 4/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>Greetings all, >>We are using fish glue for the first time, and the boss is somewhat = nervous >>about this fact. >> >>To help erase his fears, could those of you who have used fish glue for = many >>years kindly let him know that it is as reliable as hide glue. Who has = used >>it for more than 3 decades (or am I showing my ignorance here?). > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fish glue From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:16:24 EST   Certainly a sticky subject. Someone had say it! I have been a pipeorgan-hollic for seven years or so. Before I just took lessons and practiced on one of those buzz box copies! When I re-leathered the blower and swell regulators I fired up the glue = pot. I was always a little nervous about keeping the glue consistent. But so = far everything is working fine. My system runs at 6" I think and the swell and =   great run at 3.5ish.It's been a while since I checked stuff like = pressures. The choir will be at 4.5 and 3. something. The fish glue I have used on pouches and I used it on that Gedeckt = pressure valve. So far so good. I found that if you want less time to baby-sit the glue joint use less fish glue. The organ man that used to have his shop down the hill poopood the fish = glue but when he screwed up on a swell shade motor, for the local theater organ =   group, he was at my door in no time to borrow some. He said he got in a hurry! But other wise he's a hide glue dude. Columbia Organ leathers suggested the stuff when I ordered from them the first time. I like it because it so far, knock-knock, I have not had any leaks. It = does not smell much when you are using it so I can bring work into the house = and not have the dogs under foot wanting some of the road kill they think I am =   cooking! Plus Tamara likes to see me now and then! Not just my feet = sticking out of some where! I think this boils down to what you are use to, or you were trained with. = If you have a glue pot running all the time in the shop, you are used to it = and you use the death out of it. Fish glue, so for this hobbyist, does the job with less fuss then the hot stuff. I DO like to fire up the glue and do jobs the tried and true way when it = is at least a day worth of gluing. Smells kinda neat and you are doing it the =   old way everything used to be glued. There enough said. Have fun Dennis  
(back) Subject: Re: Spencer Blower Hunt! (cross posted) From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:31:01 -0600   Help...looking for a inexpensive replacement blower...(in the Chicago = area) ..received this request this morning, and thought I would see if the lists =   knew of any used blowers that are available. The problem is the organ, a turn of the century Austin organ is in a mission church on the westside of =   Chicago run by an order of French Nuns to feed the poor and needy. The organ is a jewel and it would be a shame if it were lost due to a blower failure. The organ was restored to playing operation by a local volunteer that same of you may know, John Shanahan. John has born the cost of any needed repair parts as there is not a great deal of extra monies = available. If you know of any blowers available in the Chicago area please send me a =   private email and I will pass the information on to John.   thanks and regards,   Jon     At 09:11 AM 4/3/02 -0600, you wrote: >Hello Jon: >I am beating the bushes for a cheap Spencer, 3 HP ; 230V SINGLE PHASE 3 = to 5 >inch wind    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fish glue From: "Steven Durham" <sdurham11@attbi.com> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:46:57 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0028_01C1DAEC.1CDD5990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I've always used the hide glue and found it to be quick drying and very = =3D strong and stable. I recently started using fish glue when a friend, =3D who bought some and hated it, gave it to me as a present. It was that =3D or the garbage can. =3D20   Anyway, I've used it on some projects and it seems to work fine. The =3D only problem is that it doesn't dry as fast which can be a problem when = =3D leathering. The smell is kind of weird but not unpleasant. It =3D certainly is not as messy as the old hide glue and you also don't have =3D to wait for the glue pot to heat up.   I will continue to use both. Each has its advantages over the other =3D when it comes to particular function.   Steven Durham ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Pipewheezr@aol.com=3D20 To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fish glue     Certainly a sticky subject. Someone had say it! I have been a pipeorgan-hollic for seven years or so. Before I just =3D took=3D20 lessons and practiced on one of those buzz box copies! When I re-leathered the blower and swell regulators I fired up the =3D glue pot.=3D20 I was always a little nervous about keeping the glue consistent. But =3D so far=3D20 everything is working fine. My system runs at 6" I think and the swell = =3D and=3D20 great run at 3.5ish.It's been a while since I checked stuff like =3D pressures.=3D20 The choir will be at 4.5 and 3. something. The fish glue I have used on pouches and I used it on that Gedeckt =3D pressure=3D20 valve. So far so good. I found that if you want less time to baby-sit = =3D the=3D20 glue joint use less fish glue. The organ man that used to have his shop down the hill poopood the =3D fish glue=3D20 but when he screwed up on a swell shade motor, for the local theater =3D organ=3D20 group, he was at my door in no time to borrow some. He said he got in = =3D a=3D20 hurry! But other wise he's a hide glue dude. Columbia Organ leathers suggested the stuff when I ordered from them =3D the=3D20 first time. I like it because it so far, knock-knock, I have not had any leaks. It = =3D does=3D20 not smell much when you are using it so I can bring work into the =3D house and=3D20 not have the dogs under foot wanting some of the road kill they think = =3D I am=3D20 cooking! Plus Tamara likes to see me now and then! Not just my feet =3D sticking=3D20 out of some where! I think this boils down to what you are use to, or you were trained =3D with. If=3D20 you have a glue pot running all the time in the shop, you are used to = =3D it and=3D20 you use the death out of it. Fish glue, so for this hobbyist, does the job with less fuss then the = =3D hot=3D20 stuff. I DO like to fire up the glue and do jobs the tried and true way when = =3D it is=3D20 at least a day worth of gluing. Smells kinda neat and you are doing it = =3D the=3D20 old way everything used to be glued. There enough said. Have fun Dennis   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=3D20 Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0028_01C1DAEC.1CDD5990 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2713.1100" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>I've always used the hide glue and found it to be quick drying and = =3D very=3D20 strong and stable.&nbsp; I recently started using fish glue when a =3D friend, who=3D20 bought some and hated it, gave it to me&nbsp;as a present.&nbsp; It was = =3D that or=3D20 the garbage can.&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Anyway, I've used it on some projects and it seems to work =3D fine.&nbsp; The=3D20 only problem is that it doesn't dry as fast which can be a problem = when=3D20 leathering.&nbsp; The smell is kind of weird but not unpleasant.&nbsp; =3D It=3D20 certainly is not as messy as the old hide glue and you also don't have =3D to wait=3D20 for the glue pot to heat up.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I will continue to use both.&nbsp; Each has its advantages over the = =3D other=3D20 when it comes to particular function.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Steven Durham</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DPipewheezr@aol.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Pipewheezr@aol.com">Pipewheezr@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3DDIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</A> = =3D </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 03, 2002 = =3D 8:16=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Residence Organs] = =3D Fish=3D20 glue</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Certainly a sticky subject. Someone had say it!<BR>I =3D have been=3D20 a pipeorgan-hollic for seven years or so. Before I just took =3D <BR>lessons and=3D20 practiced on one of those buzz box copies!<BR>When I re-leathered the = =3D blower=3D20 and swell regulators I fired up the glue pot. <BR>I was always a =3D little=3D20 nervous about keeping the glue consistent. But so far <BR>everything =3D is=3D20 working fine. My system runs at 6" I think and the swell and <BR>great = =3D run at=3D20 3.5ish.It's been a while since I checked stuff like pressures. <BR>The = =3D choir=3D20 will be at 4.5 and 3. something.<BR>The fish glue I have used on =3D pouches and I=3D20 used it on that Gedeckt pressure <BR>valve. So far so good. I found =3D that if=3D20 you want less time to baby-sit the <BR>glue joint use less fish =3D glue.<BR>The=3D20 organ man that used to have his shop down the hill poopood the fish =3D glue=3D20 <BR>but when he screwed up on a swell shade motor, for the local =3D theater organ=3D20 <BR>group, he was at my door in no time to borrow some. He said he got = =3D in a=3D20 <BR>hurry! But other wise he's a hide glue dude.<BR>Columbia Organ =3D leathers=3D20 suggested the stuff when I ordered from them the <BR>first time.<BR>I = =3D like it=3D20 because it so far, knock-knock, I have not had any leaks. It does =3D <BR>not=3D20 smell much when you are using it so I can bring work into the house =3D and=3D20 <BR>not have the dogs under foot wanting some of the road kill they =3D think I am=3D20 <BR>cooking! Plus Tamara likes to see me now and then! Not just my =3D feet=3D20 sticking <BR>out of some where!<BR>I think this boils down to what you = =3D are use=3D20 to, or you were trained with. If <BR>you have a glue pot running all =3D the time=3D20 in the shop, you are used to it and <BR>you use the death out of =3D it.<BR>Fish=3D20 glue, so for this hobbyist, does the job with less fuss then the = hot=3D20 <BR>stuff.<BR>I DO like to fire up the glue and do jobs the tried and = =3D true way=3D20 when it is <BR>at least a day worth of gluing. Smells kinda neat and =3D you are=3D20 doing it the <BR>old way everything used to be glued.<BR>There = enough=3D20 said.<BR>Have fun Dennis<BR><BR>DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for =3D owners and=3D20 builders of their own <BR>Residence Pipe Organs.<BR>HOMEPAGE : <A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org">http://www.diyapason.pipechat.= =3D org</A><BR>List:=3D20 <A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org<= =3D /A><BR>Administration:&nbsp;=3D20 <A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org">mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipec= =3D hat.org</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0028_01C1DAEC.1CDD5990--    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fish glue From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 13:52:09 -0600   Dennis <Pipewheezr@aol.com> wrote:   > I found that if you want less time to baby-sit the > glue joint use less fish glue.   To which I'll respond: BEWARE!!! I think that's EXACTLY what happened that led to the failures we had to repair: dry joints.   You might be able to get away with less if you "prime" (and let dry!) the wood you're going to glue to first, but the wood does absorb some of the glue into the pores (which is why glue-sizing was developed as a means of sealing wood in the first place!) but you are setting yourself up for a MAJOR problem if you glue only once, and then lightly!!   Please understand that I have no hidden agenda against Fish Glue per-se. I'm just as lazy as the next person and would gladly rather just open a bottle and spread out some cold glue, rather than having to futz with a Glue pot. But trust me: it's no fun to do something twice, especially when it's difficult enough to make money doing it even ONCE!   Faithfully, -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Spencer Blower Hunt! (cross posted) From: "Mike Blackwell" <mblackwell@wallace.com> Date: 03 Apr 2002 14:42:48 -0600   > The problem is the organ, a > turn of the century Austin organ is in a mission church on the westside = of > Chicago run by an order of French Nuns to feed the poor and needy.   Interesting. I'm in the west Chicago suburbs. Where (roughly) is this?   Mike    
(back) Subject: Warning to anyone on thsi list who gets a private email from me From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:56:37 -0400   I know I may get in trouble for thsi , but please do not open anything = from me with an attachment, It was a Worm This is a warning to all who may get a message from me