DIYAPASON-L Digest #552 - Thursday, April 4, 2002
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Fish glue
  by "Gregory Rister" <grandcornet@earthlink.net>
Re: Blower Donation
  by <Jess4203@aol.com>
Fish glue???
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: Part for Spencer Blower
  by <Jess4203@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Part for Spencer Blower
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Part for Spencer Blower
  by <Menutia@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Part for Spencer Blower
  by "wurlic1" <wurlic1@lara.on.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fish glue From: "Gregory Rister" <grandcornet@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:7:7 -0800   Hello All,   You know, in our shop we tend to use various glues depending upon the various circumstances which may arise. I personally prefer hot hide glue for reservoir work because it sets faster (but then, when doing = reservoirs, I work fast too!). I like fish glue for general pneumatic work, but have also used liquid hide glue (off-the-shelf stuff) when on site or quite frequently, in the shop simply because it's convenient. With any of the above, dry glue joints are one of the most treacherous problems, as = Richard notes. Be aware of the condition of the glue as you work! It's OK to let fish glue get tacky before assembling, but there is a "flip-point" after which it loses its ability to hold the material, and this can happen very quickly. I seem to recall that Nelson Barden's shop uses fish glue for reservoirs (double-gusset Skinners!), and their resident expert on reservoir recovering really works and forms the leather (particularly gussets) while the glue is setting. The results are quite pretty and very stable.   We haven't had any glue failures on our commercial jobs, but I have had a few in the past (much dimmer and distant past now) on my personal at-home work, and I can lay the blame squarely upon glue joints that were too dry. =   Frugality can be fatal when glueing! Beware!   Greg Rister Pipe Organ Craftsmen Pomona, California     > [Original Message] > From: Richard Schneider <arpschneider@starband.net> > To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > Date: 04/03/2002 11:52:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fish glue > > Dennis <Pipewheezr@aol.com> wrote: > > > I found that if you want less time to baby-sit the > > glue joint use less fish glue. > > To which I'll respond: BEWARE!!! I think that's EXACTLY what happened > that led to the failures we had to repair: dry joints. > > You might be able to get away with less if you "prime" (and let dry!) > the wood you're going to glue to first, but the wood does absorb some of > the glue into the pores (which is why glue-sizing was developed as a > means of sealing wood in the first place!) but you are setting yourself > up for a MAJOR problem if you glue only once, and then lightly!! > > Please understand that I have no hidden agenda against Fish Glue > per-se. I'm just as lazy as the next person and would gladly rather > just open a bottle and spread out some cold glue, rather than having to > futz with a Glue pot. But trust me: it's no fun to do something twice, > especially when it's difficult enough to make money doing it even ONCE! > > Faithfully, > -- > Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO > SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. > Pipe Organ Builders > 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 > Kenney, IL 61749-0137 > (217) 944-2454 VOX > (217) 944-2527 FAX > mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL > mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL > http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org       --- Gregory Rister --- grandcornet@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.      
(back) Subject: Re: Blower Donation From: <Jess4203@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:32:53 EST     --part1_99.244d8959.29ddf655_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi all:   I have to make a comment regarding the request for a donated blower. =   Call me a secular humanist (or other buzzword) if you like, but I have to say, I read the Church Organ Trader every day and I see these requests for =   donations of blowers, parts, and sometimes whole organs for free. They mostly seem to come from churches of recognized denominations whose = organists claim there is "no money for the organ." I do not see these denominations =   closing down for want of revenue, but I do think it is common in some churches to abuse those who volunteer and to forget the needs of the poor. = First Presbyterian in my town has a fine old Austin in the sanctuary and = now has a donor for a chapel organ, but my guess is that, if there is a Presbyterian Church in the poor side of town, there is "no money for the organ." I think we should all volunteer and contribute to the churches of =   our choice, but I think we should also expect that "God helps those who = help themselves," and expect that those unfortunate souls who have been manipulated into requesting donations rather than asking for some form of support for their music making efforts be told to stand up and assert themselves with their power structure, too. A used blower would probably be an expenditure in the $200 to $700 range, and any churchman who thinks this isn't a fair investment in the worship life of a church community (it ought to last 30 years at least=3D $20/yr) ought to reexamine their priorities. Turn down the heat a little, =   get a volunteer to cut the grass, and put the blower on the church credit card. By the way, if you have donations of ranks of pipes to make, I know a =   poor man working on a residence organ who can use them. He also needs electric chests . . . Best Regards, Roy Kersey   --part1_99.244d8959.29ddf655_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi all: <BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have to make a comment regarding the = request for a donated blower. &nbsp;Call me a secular humanist (or other = buzzword) if you like, but I have to say, I read the Church Organ Trader = every day and I see these requests for donations of blowers, parts, and = sometimes whole organs for free. &nbsp;They mostly seem to come from = churches of recognized denominations whose organists claim there is "no = money for the organ." &nbsp;I do not see these denominations closing down = for want of revenue, but I do think it is common in some churches to abuse = those who volunteer and to forget the needs of the poor. &nbsp;First = Presbyterian in my town has a fine old Austin in the sanctuary and now has = a donor for a chapel organ, but my guess is that, if there is a = Presbyterian Church in the poor side of town, there is "no money for the = organ." &nbsp;I think we should all volunteer and contribute to the = churches of our choice, but I think we should also expect that "God helps = t <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A used blower would probably be an = expenditure in the $200 to $700 range, and any churchman who thinks this = isn't a fair investment in the worship life of a church community (it = ought to last 30 years at least=3D $20/yr) ought to reexamine their = priorities. &nbsp;Turn down the heat a little, get a volunteer to cut the = grass, and put the blower on the church credit card. <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;By the way, if you have donations of ranks of = pipes to make, I know a poor man working on a residence organ who can use = them. &nbsp;He also needs electric chests . . . <BR> <BR>Best Regards, <BR>Roy Kersey</FONT></HTML>   --part1_99.244d8959.29ddf655_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Fish glue??? From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:23:04 EST     --part1_a1.2526d0fd.29de0218_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   To the several folks that responded, I give my heartfelt thanks. This chatline is most helpful!!! Stan Krider   In a message dated 04/03/2002 12:39:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org writes:   > Fish glue???     --part1_a1.2526d0fd.29de0218_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial Narrow Special G1" LANG=3D"0">To the several folks that = responded, I give my heartfelt thanks.<BR> This chatline is most helpful!!!<BR> Stan Krider<BR> <BR> In a message dated 04/03/2002 12:39:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, = DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org writes:</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&nbsp; Fish = glue???</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial Narrow Special G1" = LANG=3D"0"><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_a1.2526d0fd.29de0218_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Part for Spencer Blower From: <Jess4203@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:05:31 EST     --part1_11b.e7fbe74.29de444b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi gang:   I found out on my last visit to a fellow organholic that I am missing =   the "paint can" inlet valve assembly on my Spencer single phase blower. = It's approximately eleven inches in diameter and has those spring loaded = dampers on it. Before I go to making a makeshift replacement, I thought I would = see if anyone had one to spare or had a suggestion about here to get one. You =   can email me directly if you have an idea about this.   TIA, Roy Kersey   --part1_11b.e7fbe74.29de444b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi gang: <BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I found out on my last visit to a fellow = organholic that I am missing the "paint can" inlet valve assembly on my = Spencer single phase blower. &nbsp;It's approximately eleven inches in = diameter and has those spring loaded dampers on it. &nbsp;Before I go to = making a makeshift &nbsp;replacement, I thought I would see if anyone had = one to spare or had a suggestion about here to get one. &nbsp;You can = email me directly if you have an idea about this. <BR> <BR>TIA, <BR>Roy Kersey</FONT></HTML>   --part1_11b.e7fbe74.29de444b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Part for Spencer Blower From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 16:38:27 -0800   Hi Roy. You really don't need the butterfly assembly, as Wurlitzer = ordered their blowers special without them, with only a cheesecloth screen over = the inlet which was just a hole in the intake side cover. I still have a 2hp 14" static which is without the butterfly. A flat cover, made of plywood or some other rigid material, and sealed at the edges, would suit perfectly. If you're really concerned, you can build an intake box with a spring-loaded flap valve, which would work. Just be sure that you don't restrict the intake.     At 07:05 PM 4/4/02 EST, Jess4203@aol.com wrote: >Hi gang:   I found out on my last visit to a fellow organholic that I am missing the "paint can" inlet valve assembly on my Spencer single phase blower. It's approximately eleven inches in diameter and has those spring loaded dampers on it. Before I go to making a makeshift replacement, I thought = I would see if anyone had one to spare or had a suggestion about here to get one. You can email me directly if you have an idea about this.   TIA, Roy Kersey   Regards, Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA http://home.jps.net/~rrloesch/index.htm    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Part for Spencer Blower From: <Menutia@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 21:02:42 EST     --part1_29.251f17ae.29de5fc2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Roy...   The inlet valve, or "Rat-trap" does just that. It is not necessary, and I =   have seen many removed for space considerations. This is an ideal = location for the installation of an air filter. The filter will be much more essential in keeping dust and foreign material out of the organ.   Michael   --part1_29.251f17ae.29de5fc2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Roy...<BR> <BR> The inlet valve, or "Rat-trap" does just that.&nbsp; It is not necessary, = and I have seen many removed for space considerations.&nbsp; This is an = ideal location for the installation of an air filter.&nbsp; The filter = will be much more essential in keeping dust and foreign material out of = the organ.<BR> <BR> Michael</FONT></HTML>   --part1_29.251f17ae.29de5fc2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Part for Spencer Blower From: "wurlic1" <wurlic1@lara.on.ca> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:06:21 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0092_01C1DC24.F423BA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Michael:   It also keeps the Chamber Cat from becoming mincemeat, which makes for a = =3D messy organ,   ~wurlic1 ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Menutia@aol.com=3D20 To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Part for Spencer Blower     Roy...   The inlet valve, or "Rat-trap" does just that. It is not necessary, =3D and I have seen many removed for space considerations. This is an ideal = =3D location for the installation of an air filter. The filter will be much = =3D more essential in keeping dust and foreign material out of the organ.   Michael=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0092_01C1DC24.F423BA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2715.400" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Michael:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>It also keeps the Chamber Cat from becoming =3D mincemeat, which=3D20 makes for a messy organ,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>~wurlic1</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DMenutia@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:Menutia@aol.com">Menutia@aol.com</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3DDIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</A> = =3D </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 04, 2002 = =3D 9:02=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Residence Organs] = =3D Re: Part=3D20 for Spencer Blower</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Roy...<BR><BR>The inlet valve, or "Rat-trap" does = =3D just=3D20 that.&nbsp; It is not necessary, and I have seen many removed for =3D space=3D20 considerations.&nbsp; This is an ideal location for the installation =3D of an air=3D20 filter.&nbsp; The filter will be much more essential in keeping dust =3D and=3D20 foreign material out of the organ.<BR><BR>Michael</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0092_01C1DC24.F423BA00--