DIYAPASON-L Digest #618 - Wednesday, August 7, 2002
 
RE: [Residence Organs]  Reed questions
  by "Gregory Rister" <grandcornet@earthlink.net>
Resonator
  by <Jadams4122@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Resonator
  by "randy newman" <rnewman@shop.rutgers.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: French Horn Retrofit
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Resonator
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@VASSAR.EDU>
Resonator and reed replacement sources
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Resonator and reed replacement sources
  by "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Resonator
  by <Jadams4122@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Resonator
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@VASSAR.EDU>
NO! Re: French Horn Retrofit
  by <TheGluePot@aol.com>
Re: Resonator
  by "Paul Arndt" <parndt@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Resonator
  by "Paul Arndt" <parndt@worldnet.att.net>
 

(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Reed questions From: "Gregory Rister" <grandcornet@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:4:24 -0700   Hi Randy,   This may sound a little nuts, but I have had some luck in cleaning oxide staining on zinc, using household white vinegar. You would need to make some sort of receptacle that you could soak the oxidized part in (ideally the whole pipe, but a 16' Tuba resonator would take a lot of vinegar!) for a few minutes. Vinegar is a mild acid, and seems to do a good job of dissolving the oxidation.   I've used this method to release blocks which were frozen into oxidized boots, and resonators which were likewise stuck in their sockets = (ferrules, for those of us with $10 vocabularies). I would usually leave the item in the vinegar for no more than 10 minutes, monitoring carefully. Remember, while it's doing its good work, the acid is also going after the = unoxidized zinc, too.   The other virtue of this method is that white vinegar is relatively cheap, and the smell will go well with fish and chips if you break for lunch.   Greg Rister The Pipe Organ Craftsmen Pomona, CA     > [Original Message] > From: Randy Newman <rnewman@dilligaff.rutgers.edu> > To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > Date: 08/06/2002 8:39:21 PM > Subject: [Residence Organs] Reed questions > > > Roy's french horn question has reminded me that i have a couple reed > related questions of mine own. First, has anyone had replacement reed > pipes made up? I have a nice clarinet rank that is missing one pipe (in > the 4' octave). i also have a trumpet that is missing a resonator in the > 8' octave. i have the boot, just not the resonator. Any idea approx. how > much it would cost to have these made up by say OSI/Trivo/Shopps? > > My second question, which i believe has been discusses here before, is > about cleaning dirty zinc pipes. A few of my 16' tuba pipes are > very dirty and heavily oxidized with a kind of white powdery coating = that > doesn't seem to clean up with soap/water and scotch brite pads. ideally > i'd like to make these look like new if possible. any ideas? > > thanks in advance. > > -randy > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org       --- Gregory Rister --- grandcornet@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.      
(back) Subject: Resonator From: <Jadams4122@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:22:00 EDT   Randy,, I got an estimate of $300 to replace a missing Oboe resonator in the 8' octave. Since the entire rank was pretty rough I chose not to spend that amount so the resonator is still not replaced. There may be ways to build your own (or not) but I haven't tried that approach. John Adams now of Kentucky  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Resonator From: "randy newman" <rnewman@shop.rutgers.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:28:10 -0400     Hi John,   Thanks for your response. Just out of curiousity, could you mention who = you got the quote from? i am wondering if there is a substantial difference between the different pipe makers.   -Randy     Jadams4122@aol.com wrote:   > Randy,, > I got an estimate of $300 to replace a missing Oboe resonator in the 8' > octave. Since the entire rank was pretty rough I chose not to spend that > amount so the resonator is still not replaced. There may be ways to = build > your own (or not) but I haven't tried that approach. > John Adams now of Kentucky > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: French Horn Retrofit From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:45:03 EDT   Hi all, Roy I would bet that a lot of the pipes would not play on 4" less wind then they were voiced on it, but I ain't no expert! I too have a French Horn and scale wise it is bigger then the other three trumpettes at 8' C. I had a capped oboe and it was bigger, the cap quiets = it down some. Plus I'll bet without the caps it would need tongue work. Have fun Dennis  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Resonator From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@VASSAR.EDU> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:07:17 -0700   >Randy,, >I got an estimate of $300 to replace a missing Oboe resonator in the 8' >octave. Since the entire rank was pretty rough I chose not to spend that >amount so the resonator is still not replaced. There may be ways to build >your own (or not) but I haven't tried that approach. >John Adams now of Kentucky > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org   Don't know who you got the quote from but we had the largest 4 ft (low C) replaced on an orch oboe by TRIVO of Hagerstown Md, for about $100. The funny thing was a year later we found the missing one!   BTW TRIVO is one of THE best reed builders in the US, very reasonable too.   John V  
(back) Subject: Resonator and reed replacement sources From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:35:36 -0500     John Vanderlee wrote: =20 > Don't know who you got the quote from but we had the largest 4 ft > (low C) replaced on an orch oboe by TRIVO of Hagerstown Md, for about > $100. > BTW TRIVO is one of THE best reed builders in the US, very reasonable t= oo.   I concur with John. For our large project in Berne, IN, which has M=F6ller reeds with short boots from 1947, we had TRIVO build us new treble pipes to replace the flues to extend the number of reeds from C-49 up through G-56 on all of the stops. Other than the obvious appearance difference due to the changes in the Zinc that was available in 1947 compared to 2 years ago, one would never know the difference between the original M=F6ller work and TRIVO's. Excellent matching!   Of course, it helps the fact that all of the TRIVO reed people trained at Moller to begin-with!   We're now considering having a Hooded Tuba built as a "crowning" stop for this organ, since the Tuba that came with the job has proven to be not as strong as we'd hoped for. We're planning on going to TRIVO for it if it gets done.   They're fine people to work with.=20   Faithfully,   --=20 Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: Re: Resonator and reed replacement sources From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:29:25 -0400   Rich Schneider note that:   >Of course, it helps the fact that all of the TRIVO reed people trained >at Moller to begin-with!   Indeed, the three ("tri") founding voicers ("vo") all retired from Moller when they reached the union-specified mandatory retirement age, but they keep on working independently.   Another company founded by ex-Moller pipemakers and voicers is:   Eastern Organ Pipes, Inc. 403 North Prospect Street Hagerstown, MD 21741-2388 301-797-7922 eopipes@surfree.com   I've not heard any of their work, but I did see a very attractive Tromba set up at Columbia Organ Works several years ago (when I was there buying leather from Columbia Ogan Leathers).   If Eastern's address seems familiar, that's because it is the old Moller factory!   Organ Supply will also do pipe repairs and replacements.   David Broome (ex-Austin) is an expert reed voicer (including = high-pressure) work, but I don't know if he makes reed pipes as well.   It would seem to make sense to contact all of the folks who do that sort = of work and see what their prices and delivery might be.   Larry      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Resonator From: <Jadams4122@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:47:42 EDT   In a message dated 8/7/02 9:28:53 AM Central Daylight Time, rnewman@shop.rutgers.edu writes:   << rnewman@shop.rutgers.edu >> The quote was from 2 different organ companies in Ohio but I expect that their supplier or fabricator was somebody else, probably Organ Supply in = Erie but that's just a guess. No doubt you would save a bundle by going = directly to a fabricator like Trivo. Do they sell directly to us = do-it-yourselfers?? anybody?   John A   John A  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Resonator From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@VASSAR.EDU> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 13:11:44 -0700   >In a message dated 8/7/02 9:28:53 AM Central Daylight Time, >rnewman@shop.rutgers.edu writes: > ><< rnewman@shop.rutgers.edu >> >The quote was from 2 different organ companies in Ohio but I expect that >their supplier or fabricator was somebody else, probably Organ Supply in = Erie >but that's just a guess. No doubt you would save a bundle by going = directly >to a fabricator like Trivo. Do they sell directly to us = do-it-yourselfers?? >anybody? > >John A   Yes they do John. Just be sure to tell them what you want. And they're nice folks too! Heck, our organization (New York Theatre Organ Society) has a whole lot of do-it-yourselfers.   They'll build you one pipe or a thousand.   The factory is fun to visit too, true artistry in motion, and they're so cordial.   John V  
(back) Subject: NO! Re: French Horn Retrofit From: <TheGluePot@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:30:01 EDT   The French Horn will have a shallot that is designed with a raised = embouchure above a pocket at the end. Taking the top off will not change what is = going on at the reed end and the pipe will sound at best odd. Good pipe design goes from the reed to the end of the resonator and any change in between = is just screwing up the pipework. The only way to make a trumpet timbre is = to start with a trumpet shallot and go to a smaller scale (diameter) trumpet resonator. Taking the top off the French Horn might yeild a set of tuned fish horns at best. ;-)   Al Sefl  
(back) Subject: Re: Resonator From: "Paul Arndt" <parndt@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 21:10:43 -0700   Wicks Organ Company also does replacement work. They built a number of complete replacement pipes to replace some missing pipes in an original installation Robert-Morton Theatre Organ many years ago (1975). The new pipes perfectly matched the existing pipes and the voicing matched perfectly as well. Their prices were very competitive as I remember.     Several months ago, I requested a quote from Wicks for a new 8' 73 note Trumpet TO rank to replace the rank which disappeared long before I got = the organ... which is a Wicks TPO (#591). The quote was very reasonable for a complete rank. Unfortunately, I have some other issues to deal with first... like where to put the organ!   Paul Arndt      
(back) Subject: Re: Resonator From: "Paul Arndt" <parndt@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 21:12:14 -0700   Wicks Organ Company also does replacement work. They built a number of complete replacement pipes to replace some missing pipes in an original installation Robert-Morton Theatre Organ many years ago (1975). The new pipes perfectly matched the existing pipes and the voicing matched perfectly as well. Their prices were very competitive as I remember.     Several months ago, I requested a quote from Wicks for a new 8' 73 note Trumpet TO rank to replace the rank which disappeared long before I got = the organ... which is a Wicks TPO (#591). The quote was very reasonable for a complete rank. Unfortunately, I have some other issues to deal with first... like where to put the organ!   Paul Arndt