DIYAPASON-L Digest #524 - Thursday, February 21, 2002
 
Estimating Weight
  by "Wayne Ashford" <gdonald@mediaone.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Estimating Weight
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Estimating Weight
  by "Forrest Radley" <radley@budget.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Lieblich Gedeckt action
  by "Dan Emery" <danemery@yahoo.ca>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Estimating Weight
  by <RDoer30176@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Estimating Weight From: "Wayne Ashford" <gdonald@mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:09:24 -0500   Hello List,   I have begun to set up my small 1974 Casavant organ. I will soon need to put the chest in place ... which means lifting it to a height of about 14 feet. I have found something called a "Genie lift" and I think that will = do the trick ... if the chest does not exceed the weight capacity of the = lift.   The chest is a 7 stop e-p chest. It measures about 8' wide by 5' deep. = It is made of mahogany. Could someone help me estimate the weight of this chest?   Thank you.   Wayne Ashford Casavant, Opus 3234        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Estimating Weight From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:53:52 -0500   I have used a bathroom scale in the past to weigh my chests. The easiest way is to have the chest standing vertically on it's long edge, or down flat, and then placing the scale under one long end so it can still be read. This will give about 1/2 the chest weight. Just multiply by two to get the total. Of course if your chest weighs over twice the scale limit then the reading won't be accurate. My Moller 6 rank chest that is 8.5' x 4' weighs about 350 lb.   Eric     At 01:09 PM 2/21/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hello List, > >I have begun to set up my small 1974 Casavant organ. I will soon need to >put the chest in place ... which means lifting it to a height of about 14 >feet. I have found something called a "Genie lift" and I think that will = do >the trick ... if the chest does not exceed the weight capacity of the = lift. > >The chest is a 7 stop e-p chest. It measures about 8' wide by 5' deep. = It >is made of mahogany. Could someone help me estimate the weight of this >chest? > >Thank you. > >Wayne Ashford >Casavant, Opus 3234 > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Estimating Weight From: "Forrest Radley" <radley@budget.net> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:06:06 -0800   Dear List,   Some time ago I had the problem of getting a heavy console out of an orchestra pit. It turned out that the safest and cheapest way was to hire a local rigging company. They did the job quickly and safely with no damage to the console. I don't remember what the cost was, but at the = time I felt it was quite reasonable. It pays to use a professional for some of the heavy moving jobs instead of renting all the equipment and trying to = do it yourself and risking injury to yourself or your friends. They were insured, too. I wasn't     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= + ++++++++ At 01:09 PM 2/21/02 -0500, you wrote: > snip.. snip.. I will soon need to put the chest in place ... which means lifting it to a height of about 14 feet. I have found something called a "Genie lift" and I think that will do the trick ... if the chest does not exceed the weight capacity of the lift.      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Lieblich Gedeckt action From: "Dan Emery" <danemery@yahoo.ca> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:33:36 -0500 (EST)   --0-203455385-1014320016=3D:97957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Larry asked me to post some info about my home organ so here it is: the instrument is a 2m/3r cabinet organ built by JC Hallman of Waterloo, = Ontario in 1968. It is designed for residential use and is contained in a = single case. There are glass louvres which serve as swell shades. The 3 = ranks are: 4' salicional (61), 4' principal (73), 4' chimney flute (61). = Add to that the 24 note 'electric bourdon' (amplified reed). The amplified = reed provides 8' and 16' pitch for all 3 ranks. As I mentioned in my = previous post, the difference between the pedal gedeckt and bourdon is = simply a louder amplifier level. The previous owner of the organ, Blair Batty, is a local pipe organ = builder. He had installed optical key switching and a solid state control = system before I bought it. These components are from Classic Organ Works = of Toronto (www.organworks.com). Everything works flawlessly. One of the 'rules' of this instrument is that it must be functional. My = wife is the organist, I am the hobbiest. She wants to play it, I want to = tear it apart to see how it works. Having been marrried for some years, my = wife has put her foot down. Good thing. I have a few 'ongoing' projects in = the workshop and garage in various states of disassembly/reassembly. I have some ideas for upgrading the organ. Firstly, replacing the reed box = with real pipes. This would require no changes to the control system. I = would need pipes, chest(s), another blower and another resevoir. After that, extending the string and/or the diapason down to 8' pitch = and/or adding another foundation stop. Anything would have to be haskelled = or mitered. I have less the 9' ceiling height in my current music room. I = would add it all to the back of the existing organ case by making hte = cabinet deeper. Any of this would mean changes to the control system. I am = thinking of adding a color stop such as a flute celeste or a small reed = but I'm not sure of what until I replace the reed box. The new blower and = reservoir would need to be able to support any future modifications too. That's it ...       --------------------------------- Web-hosting solutions for home and business! Yahoo! Website Services.   --0-203455385-1014320016=3D:97957 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>Larry asked me to post some info about my home organ so here it is: <P>the instrument is a 2m/3r cabinet organ built by JC Hallman of = Waterloo, Ontario in 1968. It is designed for residential use and is = contained in a single case. There are glass louvres which serve as swell = shades. The 3 ranks are: 4' salicional (61), 4' principal (73), 4' chimney = flute (61). Add to that the 24 note 'electric bourdon' (amplified reed). = The amplified reed provides&nbsp;8' and 16' pitch for all 3 ranks. As I = mentioned in my previous post, the difference between the pedal gedeckt = and&nbsp; bourdon is simply a louder amplifier level. <P>The previous owner of the organ, Blair Batty, is a local pipe organ = builder. He had installed optical key switching and a solid state control = system before I bought it. These components are from Classic Organ Works = of Toronto (<A = href=3D"http://www.organworks.com/">www.organworks.com</A>). Everything = works&nbsp;flawlessly. <P>One of the 'rules' of this instrument is that it must = be&nbsp;functional. My wife is the organist, I am the hobbiest. She wants = to play it, I want to tear it apart to see how it works. Having been = marrried for some years, my wife has put her foot down. Good thing. I have = a few 'ongoing' projects in the workshop&nbsp;and garage in various states = of disassembly/reassembly. <P>I have some ideas for upgrading the organ. Firstly, replacing the reed = box with real pipes. This would require no changes to the control system. = I would need pipes, chest(s), another blower and another resevoir. <P>After that, extending the string and/or the diapason down to 8' pitch = and/or adding another foundation stop. Anything would have to = be&nbsp;haskelled or mitered. I have less the 9' ceiling height in my current music room. I would add it all to the back of the existing = organ case by making hte cabinet deeper. Any of this&nbsp;would mean = changes to the control system. I am thinking of adding a color stop such = as a flute celeste or a small reed but I'm not sure of what until I = replace the reed box. The new blower and reservoir would need to be able = to support any future modifications too. <P>That's it ...</P><p><br><hr size=3D1>Web-hosting solutions for home and = business! <a href=3D"http://ca.website.yahoo.com"><b>Yahoo! Website = Services</b></a>.<br> --0-203455385-1014320016=3D:97957--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Estimating Weight From: <RDoer30176@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:54:43 EST   In a message dated 2/21/02 10:24:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, gdonald@mediaone.net writes:   > The chest is a 7 stop e-p chest. It measures about 8' wide by 5' deep. = It > is made of mahogany. Could someone help me estimate the weight of this > chest? >   Here is a way to weigh it with a bath room scale and be fairly accurate.   First tip it up and block it up a little higher than the scales. Don't = put the scale under it yet. At the end where you want to put the scale, have it blocked = a foot or so from the end where you will later slide the scale under. Now = 2/3 of the way from the scale end. Put a block or move the other block to = this point. Now you should have the chest resting on 2 blocks, one near the weighing = end and one 2/3 towards the other end. Now slide the scale under the end of = the chest and slowly lower the end of the chest onto the scale. Now the chest =   should weigh 3 times what the scale reads. 200 LB =3D 600 LB. For = accuracy the chest should be fairly level. The pivot block should not be too wide. = 2" to 4" inches should be OK.   Russ Doering Sunnyvale, CA