DIYAPASON-L Digest #483 - Saturday, January 5, 2002
 
On Changing Bourdon Cutups
  by "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Wind conductors
  by "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net>
(no subject)
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]
  by "F. Richard Burt" <dorian.organs@verizon.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]
  by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com>
Cleaning Pipes
  by "Paul Soulek" <pipeorganpaul@yahoo.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cleaning Pipes
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Cleaning Pipes
  by "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cleaning Pipes
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
 

(back) Subject: On Changing Bourdon Cutups From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 05:40:10 -0600   Jess4203@aol.com wrote: > hi group: > I do think that various people will have various standards for the > = look of their experiments/restorations and I would plead for "vive la > = difference" depending on need/preference.   If the treatment with metal is done well, it can look quite professional.   > I just can't seem to keep my hands off those husky pipes.   Well, to each their own. . . :o)   > I do have another question: my Bourdons sound OK when winded by the hair = dryer > one-by-one at present. What would I be likely to accomplish by using > lead/spotted metal/carefully crafted wood to change the cutup to > something lower?   Generally, it allows the pipes to respond properly on a lower windpressure than they were probably voiced on (important in a residence organ!) and also gives them a little more overtone development. Not necessarily desirable in the bass octave, and in the trebles, it can be very charming. It's also more likely that the pipes will "enunciate" or (if you will) "chiff" when they begin to speak. Of course, overdone, and they will sound like G. Donald Harrison's (in)famous "Nason Gedackts" or possibly a Xylophone!   Faithfully, Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL  
(back) Subject: Wind conductors From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 06:16:30 -0600   "Robert W. Taylor" wrote: > Hello All, > I am in the process of establishing the layout of my organ in the new = music > room. It is not practical to use some of the conductors that = originally > connected some of the reservoirs to their chests. Those conductors are > mostly 4 inch square wood conductors. It is my plan to use 4 inch PVC, > which is of course 22 percent smaller in cross sectional area. > I would like to hear comments about the pros and cons of this change. = The > chests involved are a two rank pedal string, 16' and 8', a unit pedal = 16' > bourdon, and a unit open 8' diapasion scale 44. All are on 4 1/2 = inches > of wind. This is an Aeolian organ and the pedal ranks are the standard > violone, cello and bourdon. The bung on the bourdon is already at 4 = inch > diameter, but that conductor transitioned from the 4' square to round > within ten inches of the chest.   You should probably do some calculations as to wind consumption and then use the appropriate-sized wind lines. Another possibility would be to "double-feed" the Windchests with multiple runs of PVC.   Also be aware that there exists what is known as Sewer & Drain pipe, which is considerably lighter in weight than the standard Schedule 40 P.V.C. Pipe. The amount of Windpressure involved here is not such that it can't handle the pressure adequately.   OSI Sells both series of the P.V.C. pipe, fittings and most importantly: FLANGES for this. You can usually pick up the pipe and most of the fittings locally at a decent Plumbing Supply (we have a company called Bradford Supply locally that we purchase from) Beware: many of these places are "wholesale only" and don't/won't sell retail to people like yourself.   They may make an exception if you explain what you're doing with the stuff.   Some national chains, such as Lowe's also carry it, although their pipe is usually only available in green. I don't know why, but white P.V.C. fitting have always looked better to me.   Another thing to keep in mind is that the smaller-diameter piece of P.V.C. are very useful for such things as conductoring off wind to pipes which are, by necessity, standing on the floor, or even placed horizontally because there is insufficient height.   Hope that this helps.   Faithfully, -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL  
(back) Subject: From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:24:41 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00F2_01C195FD.187E9D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   HI, Help! What would cause a resivior to vibrate on its own? No =3D tremulant is on or anything. As soon as the blower is on it vibrates? = =3D Could it me a rapis decline in temp. in the blower room? Thanks. Gary   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00F2_01C195FD.187E9D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>HI,&nbsp; Help!&nbsp; What would = cause =3D a resivior=3D20 to vibrate on its own?&nbsp; No tremulant is on or anything.&nbsp; As =3D soon as=3D20 the blower is on it vibrates?&nbsp; Could it me a rapis decline in temp. = =3D in the=3D20 blower room?&nbsp; Thanks.&nbsp; Gary</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00F2_01C195FD.187E9D20--    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] From: "F. Richard Burt" <dorian.organs@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:41:11 -0600   > Gary Black wrote: > > HI, Help! What would cause a resivior to vibrate on its > own? No tremulant is on or anything. As soon as the blower > is on it vibrates? Could it me a rapis decline in temp. > in the blower room? Thanks. Gary Gary, I saw this recently on an organ reservoir. The spring and weights (pressure) on top of the reservoir were involved witht the vibration. I increased the tension on one of the springs and the vibration settled out. This may or may not affect the vibration in your reservoir, but I believe it is worth checking. F. Richard Burt dorian.organs@verizon.net ..  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:56:00 EST     In a message dated 1/5/02 3:25:21 PM, gblack@ocslink.com writes:   >HI, Help! What would cause a resivior to vibrate on its own? No = tremulant >is on or anything. As soon as the blower is on it vibrates? Could it >me a rapis decline in temp. in the blower room? Thanks. Gary   My static reservoir does this to a small degree, I believe any blower = will sort of "pulse" the wind to a degree since the blades are what push the = air, and then the turbulance added in. The second reservoir should be steady tho, the job of the static reservoir = is to reduce the pressure one step and help "smooth" the wind a little as it paddles off the blower's blades.   Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/  
(back) Subject: Cleaning Pipes From: "Paul Soulek" <pipeorganpaul@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:12:27 -0600   Does anyone have any suggestions of what I could use to clean/polish some zinc and lead pipes? I just want to make their appearance a little better, and don't really know what to use.   Thank you! Paul   _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cleaning Pipes From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 20:39:53 -0500       Paul Soulek wrote:   > Does anyone have any suggestions of what I could use to clean/polish > some zinc and lead pipes? I just want to make their appearance a little > better, and don't really know what to use. > > Thank you! > Paul >   Hi Paul, This subject has been brought up about once every several months ever since I joined Diyapason. I suggest that information about such things seems to best come from Al Sefl, so I searched my archives for one of his answers to the cleaning question, and post it below for you.   In a message dated 2/23/01 12:10:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, steve.pitts@adtran.com writes: << > I have some spotted metal pipes that have a white discoloration on some of > the pipes..I have tried ordinary means to clean them to no avail....does > anybody know how to get that stuff off? >>   Hello Steve:   In the industry this is called "sugaring" but in reality is just metal oxidation/rust or corrosion. Normally pipes of high quality are given a coat of clear lacquer that protects them for eons. During restoration a solution of hydrochloric acid is used to dissolve the oxidation and other industrial cleaners like TSP or Gone=AE are used where the acid use would not be reasonable. A lacquer solvent may be needed to remove the painted coating for the cleaner to affect the metal underneath. Steel wool of 0000 grade or a ScotchBrite pad is gently used to mechanically remove the oxide in conjunction with the cleaning solution. Once cleaned the pipe is rinsed until ALL of the cleaning solution is washed off then a new coat of clear lacquer is applied. I've seen pipework that looked like hell come back to rival the chrome on a '53 DeSoto bumper!   Al Sefl   p.s. Don't use the hydrochloric acid unless ALL precautions are taken. e.g. Use it outdoors, dilute it down to a 5% solution, wear a faceshield, wear a chemical apron, keep sodium bicarbonate solution neutralizer handy, wear certified hole-free nitril gloves, etc........        
(back) Subject: Cleaning Pipes From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:46:45 -0600   Paul Soulek wrote: > Does anyone have any suggestions of what I could use to clean/polish > some zinc and lead pipes? I just want to make their appearance a little > better, and don't really know what to use.   Peterson used to sell a product called "CHEMI-KLEEN" in their catalog that you would dip the pipes into for about 10 minutes and then rinse them off. I know in recent years, they had some shipping problems with UPS due to the nature of the product and I don't know if they ever solved this problem or not. It'd be worth checking with them.   Call (800) 341-3311 and speak with Caryn Kay (tell her Rich Schneider sent you!) She's and angel and if anything can be arranged, she'd be the one to do it.   We also go a couple steps further and use a product called TARNITE which comes in an oblong yellow colored metal can. It's available from hardware stores (NOT to be confused with TARNEX!!); followed by a cleaning with Glass WAX, which comes in oblong PINK metal cans!   This "3 step" is "our" procedure for cleaning up old pipes and it simply works wonders; as anyone who's seen our re-cycled pipes can attest! Hope it helps!   Faithfully,   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cleaning Pipes From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:18:01 -0600   HI, Rick did a rank of pipes for me and they look like new; and by the way, they sound great too! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 10:46 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] Cleaning Pipes     > Paul Soulek wrote: > > > Does anyone have any suggestions of what I could use to clean/polish > > some zinc and lead pipes? I just want to make their appearance a = little > > better, and don't really know what to use. > > Peterson used to sell a product called "CHEMI-KLEEN" in their catalog > that you would dip the pipes into for about 10 minutes and then rinse > them off. I know in recent years, they had some shipping problems with > UPS due to the nature of the product and I don't know if they ever > solved this problem or not. It'd be worth checking with them. > > Call (800) 341-3311 and speak with Caryn Kay (tell her Rich Schneider > sent you!) She's and angel and if anything can be arranged, she'd be the > one to do it. > > We also go a couple steps further and use a product called TARNITE which > comes in an oblong yellow colored metal can. It's available from > hardware stores (NOT to be confused with TARNEX!!); followed by a > cleaning with Glass WAX, which comes in oblong PINK metal cans! > > This "3 step" is "our" procedure for cleaning up old pipes and it > simply works wonders; as anyone who's seen our re-cycled pipes can > attest! > > Hope it helps! > > Faithfully, > > -- > Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO > SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. > Pipe Organ Builders > 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 > Kenney, IL 61749-0137 > (217) 944-2454 VOX > (217) 944-2527 FAX > mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL > mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL > http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >