DIYAPASON-L Digest #485 - Monday, January 7, 2002 Re: [Residence Organs] Wind conductors by "John Vanderlee" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: [Residence Organs] Cleaning Pipes by "John Vanderlee" <email@example.com> Re: [Residence Organs] by <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Seek Aeolian Parts by "Robert W. Taylor" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Polishing ivory by "Robert W. Taylor" <email@example.com> Re: [Residence Organs] Seek Aeolian Parts by <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> the sad fate of old, unwanted organ parts... by "Tim Bovard" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: [Residence Organs] the sad fate of old, unwanted organ parts... by "F. Richard Burt" <email@example.com> Re: [Residence Organs] Polishing ivory by "james turner" <JTTUNER@webtv.net> the sad fate of old, unwanted organ parts... by "Clyde R. Putman" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Wind conductors From: "John Vanderlee" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:57:15 -0800 >In a message dated 1/4/02 8:13:28 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: > >>Hello All, >> >>I am in the process of establishing the layout of my organ in the new = music >>room. It is not practical to use some of the conductors that = originally >>connected some of the reservoirs to their chests. Those conductors are >>mostly 4 inch square wood conductors. It is my plan to use 4 inch PVC, >>which is of course 22 percent smaller in cross sectional area. > >Well, 4" square would be 16 square inches (0.111 sq feet) > >4" pvc would be about >0.087 sq feet > >Shame they don't have 4-1/2" pvc cause that would do it. I agree 6." pvc = is >real clunky so are the fittings, not to mention they cost a LOT more than = 4" >and those were two reasons I went to 4" instead of 6" as I wanted to. There is 5" PVC. It is used by electrical contractors and is gray in color. for elbows we cut a 4 section mitred joint and PVC glued it up. for flanges we used a 5" coupling cut in half and recessed into a wooden flange (epoxied) John V
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cleaning Pipes From: "John Vanderlee" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 09:23:15 -0800 >Does anyone have any suggestions of what I could use to clean/polish >some zinc and lead pipes? I just want to make their appearance a little >better, and don't really know what to use. > >Thank you! >Paul "NEVRDULL" from any hardware store. Amazing stuff John V
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:29:24 EST Hi you have Galloping regulator syndrome. I had the same problem on the regulator right after the blower. I tightened up the packing around the curtain valve rod and the galloping stopped. The curtain rod moves sorta tight but the galloping has stopped. The first regulator gets a good blast from the blower even though there is = a 3'x4' baffle box. I put 7 or 8 baffles in the thing,lost several mice in = the maze:). Well, there is my two cent$. Have fun Dennis
(back) Subject: Seek Aeolian Parts From: "Robert W. Taylor" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:27:53 -0600 If anyone has old and unwanted chest parts from Aeolian chests, I am a buyer. The parts that I seek are: magnets, note valve hardware, and the pivots that note valves are mounted in. These brass pivots are like spring clips that act as a fulcrum for the note valve lever arm. After three years of waiting, the new music room and shop are now coming = to life. As the chests are opened, I find that these special Aeolian parts need to be on hand to bring this instrument back to life. The chest magnets are round in appearance and screw into the the bottom board. Some of these magnets are double wound, that is, they can be fired from two keyboards and thus have four lead wires. Regards to all Bob Taylor
(back) Subject: Polishing ivory From: "Robert W. Taylor" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:32:32 -0600 This morning I read that someone wanted input about making ivory look good--but I failed to note which list (I receive three lists) contained that inquiry---I think it was here. To make the keyboard look great, take each key and sand it on a flat surface of plate glass covered with 400 grit wet or dry paper. A tiny amount of water and bleach, 50-50, can be used to keep the sandpaper wet. Change the sand paper often and never allow the ivory to build up on the paper, it will leave grooves in the keys. Do not remove much ivory by sanding. Next, use a buffing wheel that is absolutely clean and dressed with tripoli. Make sure the overhang of the key points in the direction of = wheel rotation. Be mindful that ivory is both soft and brittle. It can be easily damaged from aggressive sanding and buffing. Before placing the keys back on the frame, clean the bare wood sides with scotch brite or similar abrasive. The keyboard will be beautiful when you finish. A slightly damp dust cloth can be used to maintain the ivory. If I have responded to the wrong list, please forgive my memory lapse. Bob Taylor
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Seek Aeolian Parts From: <Mpmollerorgan@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:55:43 EST In a message dated 1/7/02 6:30:25 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: >The chest >magnets are round in appearance and screw into the the bottom board. Hmm, sounds like the round brass Kilgen magnets Ive tossed in the wood = stove with their toeboards because it would be work to remove the things to save = them and I had decided to bite the bullet and not reuse those old chest magents or relays due to there already being some problems with 5 relays = out of 50 that tested fine but when put into use stopped working or jammed in = the on position, and 1 magnet which stopped functioning till I switched the armature and cap. Like buying someone else's headaches buying a used car, so it goes with = other used old electrical items. Unless you are after a RESTORATION of something historic or rare I wonder = if you might be ahead to try to buy new electrical parts, valves, etc than = fool with trying to scrounge up misc discarded stuff that may not match, have = wear or hidden damage. That was part of the problem with my salvaging used magnets, they came = from 3 different organs and were different ohmages, different styles, different exhaust port diameters etc and there's just no way all that junk is going = to match and function properly and I don't feel like dropping bung boards = every few days to mess with valves or magnets I'd rather be playing! OSI has 90 ohm chest magnets the same as the original Reisners for about = $5 each, odd thing is the replacement armature disk if you just want to = replace those, costs almost half what the entire magnet unit does! I used all the lumber, pipes and parts I could, but I wanted the junk not = being used for my organ project out of my basement and anything like dry kindling wood that is a fire hazzard out to make room. I wound up heating my house for almost 3 months so far with piles of obsolete racking, chest supports, 2 pedal boards, a Reuter keyboard and console internal parts, rolltop, Kilgen pneumatic relay boxes, 2 sets of = water damaged Kilgen 16' pedal bourdons and their water damaged offset chests, several regulators and two huge Reuter chests. No one wanted any of these items or they would cost too much to crate = and ship, I advertised and offered them around but the response was poor to none. As an example; one guy who wanted a mahogany pedal board I was = asking $50 for wouldn't drive 2 hours to get it. Someone locally was looking for a roll top to make a desk out of and I offered the one I had to him free but it was like it was too much work for = him to drive over to get it so he didn't commit to coming over to get it. Another fellow was interested in the 4 Kilgen pneumatic relay units but = when we figured out the UPS shipping plus the costs of boxes he decided they = were too big to use. No one was interested in two Reuter manuals so I cut one down to use for tuning inside the chamber, and cut the ivory off the other. I tried salvaging the water damaged bourdons into boards but the wood was = so thin to begin with there was little to work with, and was constructed with = nails and corrugated wood fasteners which would do wonders on a jointer or = planer. Randall http://members.aol.com/mpmollerorgan/
(back) Subject: the sad fate of old, unwanted organ parts... From: "Tim Bovard" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:56:32 -0600 At 08:55 PM 1/7/02 -0500, Randall laments the idea of using old organ = stuff for firewood... <Randall's words snipped -- you've all read it already, right?> Hi, Randall -- I know and understand the uncomfortable feeling one gets when pitching "obsolete/unwanted" organ parts into the fire (dumpster, whatever)... I had a similar problem recently, trying to find a home for a 2m set of Wicks keyboards. Not the slightest glimmer of interest from anybody anywhere I tried to give them away. So, instead of tossing them in the dumpster, I decided to make them a "science experiment". Said keyboards now reside out back of the shop on a pair of sawhorses -- fully exposed to the elements -- so I can watch how they disintegrate "by natural causes" over time. I snap a photo or two of them every few weeks to document the decay. Maybe one of these months, I'll try to make a "time-lapse" (of sorts) arrangement of the pictures. = In the meanwhile, it's interesting to watch the wooden parts warp and twist...the finish on other portions decay and flake off...how the hide-glued-components go to pieces...etc etc. Still wondering how long it will take for the plastic keytops to start popping off...<g>...they're still holding, for the moment... And, before I send this (and again!) -- anyone want a Wicks pedalboard? '60 vintage -- cable/contacts attached -- used and dirty, but intact -- FREE FOR THE TAKING (from Little Rock AR)...if not, it'll probably bypass the 'weather experiment' and hit the dumpster directly. After all, I = don't wanna clutter up the parking lot *too* much with my 'experiments'... Tim
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] the sad fate of old, unwanted organ parts... From: "F. Richard Burt" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:24:41 -0600 Tim Bovard wrote: > > At 08:55 PM 1/7/02 -0500, Randall laments the idea of using old organ = stuff > for firewood... > <Randall's words snipped -- you've all read it already, right?> > > Hi, Randall -- > * * * > > So, instead of tossing them in the dumpster, I decided to make them a > "science experiment".... * * * > > Still wondering how long it will take for the plastic keytops > to start popping off...<g>...they're still holding, for the > moment... Shucks! I was hoping they were real ivory. It would be interesting to see the time lapse for the whitening process under the sun's natural ultra-violet light. <grins> Don't think I can take that much time to get my keyboards presentable again. AND, ...thanks to Al Earheart for some good ideas about making the old ivories white again. F. Richard Burt ..
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Polishing ivory From: "james turner" <JTTUNER@webtv.net> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:36:41 -0500 (EST) Another method of restoring old ivories is to have them bleached by professional piano technicians. It is a lot less work then sanding! Jim Turner
(back) Subject: the sad fate of old, unwanted organ parts... From: "Clyde R. Putman" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:41:15 -0800 A wee story: I was subbing at a church. After service a lady came to visit, in the course of our conversation she mentioned that when she was growing up she lived beside the house of an organbuilder. "Who?" Asks I. She tells the name of a person whom I knew = that would take old worn out organ parts and assemble them into piles of junk = and pawn them off to unsuspecting churches as "organs". Of course I was trying to be polite and mumbled somthing while biting my tongue. Then she say's that some of her fondest memories were of winters when he would build a huge bonfire of old parts. Of course I am almost burst a vein trying NOT to say how the bonfire = should have been MUCH larger! For the curious: 1. The "builder" is NOT anybody I have seen on this list 2. I am NOT saying who as I have a rule that only kudos are given out by name, so don't ask. Thanks to all for this fun and informitive list! Cheers from Dallas where it is rumored to be winter... -Cp.