DIYAPASON-L Digest #498 - Sunday, January 20, 2002
 
RE: Haskell basses
  by "Geoff Crimmins" <gcrimmins@yahoo.com>
RE: Haskell Basses
  by "Frank Vanaman" <fvanaman@speakeasy.org>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Daniel
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Daniel
  by "Jimmy" <jrbaird@erols.com>
Daniels Vox
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
Who made Opus 2852?
  by "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@sockets.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cleaning up...
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Haskelled Pipe Scales
  by <Jess4203@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Daniels Vox
  by "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Haskell basses From: "Geoff Crimmins" <gcrimmins@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:45:38 -0800 (PST)   You may already know this, but Haskell's patent information is available from the US Patent Office web page. I belive you have to download a shareware program to read the files from the Patent web page, but it's worth the hassle. The patents explain exactly how to contruct both open and stopped Haskell pipes, and there are even illustrations.   best regards,   Geoff Crimmins   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/  
(back) Subject: RE: Haskell Basses From: "Frank Vanaman" <fvanaman@speakeasy.org> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:14:45 -0500   Hi everyone!   Anyone wanting to search on US Patents for Haskell is welcome, of course, but if you want a head start and list of patent numbers to try right off, here's a list which might be helpful. ;-)   Frank Vanaman Baltimore   Haskell Patents ---------------   760,115 May 17, 1904, "Pneumatic coupler for pipe or reed organs" (tubular pneumatic coupling system, can't say exactly how it works but probably a variant of other standard systems)   871,272 Nov 19, 1907, "Organ pipe" (a metal flue pipe designed to sound like an orchestral oboe and having a pocketed languid)   923,263 Jun 01, 1909, "Straight lift pneumatic" (a pillow-shaped pneumatic wherein the folds of leather lie outwardly when the pneumatic is in a collapsed position, rather than folding inwardly as in a standard 'box' pneumatic)   965,896 Aug 02, 1910, "Organ pipe" (the 'common' internal Haskell tube as applied to cylindrical metal and quadrangular wood flue pipes)   965,897 Aug 02, 1910, "Organ pipe with qualifying tube" (an external tube)   965,898 Aug 02, 1910, "Organ pipe" (a metal flue pipe dsigned to sound like a clarinet and having a = pocketed languid like the 871,272 patent, and further having an adjustable nodal hole down from the top of the pipe)   967,911 Aug 23, 1910, "Organ pipe" (the stopped pipe with internal tube; the closed end of the tube being oriented towards the mouth)   971,502 Sep 27, 1910, "Organ pipe" (reed pipe having external tube which effectively lengthens the = resonator)   1,173,507 Feb 29, 1916 "Harp stop for pipe organs" (a glass bar with a resonator, the bar struck by a soft hammer and = further having a wooden flue pipe tuned to the same note, which sounds as long = as the key is held)   1,281,564 Oct 15, 1918 "Swell regulating mechanism for organs" (device for operating organ swell shades from a roll playing apparatus)   1,327,996 Jan 13, 1920 "Speaking pipe" (a quadrangular wooden pipe having a larger cross section at the top = than the bottom, designed to sound like a tuba. The introduction notes that = the invention is "primarily designed for organ pipes, [but] its peculiar qualities are such that it can be used for lighthouse and fog signalling as well")   1,659,914 Feb 21, 1928 "Stop action for organs" (the Estey luminous stop button and attendant reversible relay = mechanism)        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Daniel From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:44:21 -0800   M. P. M=F6ller comes immediately to mind. I'm sure that there were others.   At 11:25 PM 1/19/02 -0400, Daniel Hopkins wrote: >I am trying to find out what Company made my Vox Humana > all I know on the low CC pipe is >2852 > and the year 1930 > any idea what company had that many Organs built by 1930? > Please help if you have any idea:-) > sincerely > Daniel > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own=20 >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >   Regards, Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA=20 http://home.jps.net/~rrloesch/index.htm    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Daniel From: "Jimmy" <jrbaird@erols.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:49:42 -0500   What about Skinner?? The Vox is up in Nova Scotia, what about Canadian builders?? I believe that Daniel looked up Casavant already.   Jimmy Bob Loesch wrote: > > M. P. M=F6ller comes immediately to mind. I'm sure that there were = others. > > At 11:25 PM 1/19/02 -0400, Daniel Hopkins wrote: > >I am trying to find out what Company made my Vox Humana > > all I know on the low CC pipe is > >2852 > > and the year 1930 > > any idea what company had that many Organs built by 1930? > > Please help if you have any idea:-) > > sincerely > > Daniel > > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > >Residence Pipe Organs. > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > > > > > Regards, > Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA > http://home.jps.net/~rrloesch/index.htm > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own = Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Daniels Vox From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:09:01 -0400   To give another hint I got the Vox From Boston Made a mistake the opus is 2582 not 2852      
(back) Subject: Who made Opus 2852? From: "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@sockets.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:59:51 -0600   When Daniel Hopkins asked.......   >I am trying to find out what Company made my Vox Humana > all I know on the low CC pipe is >2852 > and the year 1930 > any idea what company had that many Organs built by 1930?   I immediately thought of my Estey Minuette. It is a 2M/3R organ built = into a case that looks like a concert grand piano. Those of you who have = access to the "Encyclopedia of the American Theatre Organ' Vol. !, can find Several pictures of this style of organ on pages 108 and 109. The picture on 109 shows how the Haskell pipes appear. The tops of the 8' Diapason, T.C., are clearly visible.   My instrument comes from the 1928-1930 era. I don't have the exact date. It is Opus 2881.   Bob Taylor      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cleaning up... From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:32:55 -0800   Hi how much postage for all?   Or donate it to our volunteer project for a tax write off!   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: Haskelled Pipe Scales From: <Jess4203@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:25:33 EST   Hi All:   I have to plead guilty to not having any direct experience with the = Haskelled basses aside from having a few. However, as I mentioned last = time, there are a lot of posts on this subject in the piporg-L archives. = As far as the enlargement of scale, many believe this, but those who have = done it said that no enlargement was necessary, or only a little (one or = two pipes worth), which, I believe was used to combat the Haskell's = tendency to get a bit stringy. In some cases this is actually an asset. = I think that one of the people who talked about this was John Panning, = Dobson's tonal director, when they Haskelled some pipes so that they would = fit in a facade. Evidently Haskell's patent did specify that the scale = did not need to be changed, from what I've read.   I am interested to hear that one could use PVC for the tubes, although if = the diameter scale is to remain correct one would have to alter these, it = would be a lot of cutting and glueing . . .   Best Regards, Roy Kersey  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Daniels Vox From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:21:55 -0500   My first reaction to Daniel's query about his Vox Humana was that it = *must* have been Estey. However, Estey's opus 2852 was a 2/3 "Minuette" (Diapason, Flute, String) installed in the Paramount Studios in Astoria, New York, in 1939. Their opus 2582 would have been from 1927.   Moller's 2582 would have been from 1919 and their 2852 would have been = from 1920. By 1930 they were up to over 5500 in opus numbers.   Skinner (and Aeolian-Skinner) and Austin and Hillgree-Lane never got that high (2582).   Hinners reached 2582 in 1921 or 1922 and opus 2852 around 1928.   Kilgen reached the 2000s in 1919.   Kimball reached the 700s by 1930.   By 1931 Wicks had reached opus 1083.   By 1934 Reuter had reached opus 444.   By 1930 Pilcher had reached opus 1518.   Wurlitzer's highest opus number was 2238 (I believe).   BUT... In 1930 Hook & Hastings built their opus 2582 for First Congregational, Bristol, Rhode Island. That's probably "close" to Boston!   Larry Chace       >To give another hint > I got the Vox From Boston > Made a mistake > the opus is 2582 not 2852 > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org