DIYAPASON-L Digest #504 - Saturday, January 26, 2002
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: reservoir sizing
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
New to list
  by "Trailrider" <horseback@shell.core.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  New to list
  by "F. Richard Burt" <dorian.organs@verizon.net>
Re: regulators and reservoirs
  by <Jess4203@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  New to list
  by "Frank Vanaman" <fvanaman@speakeasy.org>
Re: [Residence Organs]  New to list
  by "Trailrider" <horseback@shell.core.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  New to list
  by "Trailrider" <horseback@shell.core.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  New to list
  by "Frank Vanaman" <fvanaman@speakeasy.org>
RE: [Residence Organs]  New to list
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Celestes, Aeolines ect.
  by "Trailrider" <horseback@shell.core.com>
Looking for a small slide tuner
  by "john volbeda" <johnvolbeda@hotmail.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  New to list
  by "Trailrider" <horseback@shell.core.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Spill Flute Problem
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  New to list
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: reservoir sizing From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 01:03:39 EST     --part1_fe.12bf5d2b.2983a0bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Look here for the part you are looking for. <A = HREF=3D"http://www.keyboardtrader.com/">.Church Organ Trader</A> . There = is an add currently running for regulators. Dennis.   --part1_fe.12bf5d2b.2983a0bb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Look here for the part = you are looking for. <A HREF=3D"http://www.keyboardtrader.com/">.Church = Organ Trader</A> . There is an add currently running for regulators.<BR> Dennis.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_fe.12bf5d2b.2983a0bb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: New to list From: "Trailrider" <horseback@shell.core.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 06:57:02 -0600 (CST)   Hello;   My name is Gary and I just joined this list in hopes that I can become a part of a friendly group of like minded residence pipe organ enthusiasts.   I am a self taught organist who starting in the last 1950s, learned to play on electronic instruments such as Gulbransen and Hammond. Back in the mid 1960s I began playing out in cocktail lounges and I continued to play as such untill 1992. Durring those years I had always had a fascination with the pipe organ. In 1972 I built my first pipe instrument from an accumilation of parts but that organ was short lived as it gave way to a six rank Barton church organ that I bought, removed from the church and re-assembled within a past residence I then had. In later years I bought a 3 rank Kilgen Theatre organ and had that setup playing in another residence I lived at years back. I sold that organ and did not plan to have another pipe organ untill 1995 shortly after I bought the small home I now reside in.   My first plan was to build just a simple three rank chamber organ (string, flute and diapason) based around a Kilgen Petit Ensemble chest and console of which I had aquired but in rethinking the situation over, I redesigned the organ into an eight rank orchestreal type instrument which I think will be more in line with the music I like to play.   The organ is now mostly put together and I am in the process of building the shift register relay which I will install in the console. Once that is done I plan to get the blower set up and start on the winding. I sold the Petit console so the console I am now using is a Gulbransen Riviera (self contained Rialto K) built around 1963. I have an early Barton Tibia, a Vox (make unk), Barton flute, Barton tuba, Kilgen oboe horn, Kilgen salicional and a Skinner Diapason. I was going to jokingly call this instrument my "junkpile organ" as most of the parts are hand-me-down parts that were not very desireable to other pipe organ enthusiasts. At any road, once I get it all playing the initial ensemble sound should be very entertaining but as I am primarily building this organ for "ME", I plan to add and subtract from it in order to get it sounding just right so that it suits me.   I have hopes to eventually find a VDO that is voiced on about 7 to 8 inches of wind.   Well it will be a modest instrument installed within a very modest home but that is all of it in a nutshell.   Hello again. Gary K.    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] New to list From: "F. Richard Burt" <dorian.organs@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:28:49 -0600   Trailrider wrote: > > Hello; > > My name is Gary.... Welcome to the pipe chat. We are variously interested in conversation about residence organs, pipe organs, home entertainment organs, etc., and sometimes pop a gem of a conversation piece into cyberspace. I really like what you said about who you are building the organ for. <grins> We sometimes get caught up in how an organ should be built and lose sight of your individual objectives. Please forgive us if we do. <grins> If it isn't asking too much, tell us where you live. We would be better able to offer you physical help or parts if you are within reasonable distance. F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs Dallas, Texas ..  
(back) Subject: Re: regulators and reservoirs From: <Jess4203@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:18:01 EST     --part1_190.1b0fa83.298422a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Group:   Roc has cruelly exposed my ignorance re: regulators and reservoirs. I = think I shall pout! [Pout! Pout! . . . Pout over!]   Seriously, Roc and group, I guess I need a lesson about these terms. I am =   only familiar with those big reservoirs with the double fold bellows and = the weights on them in old trackers. As to valves, I know they have valves to =   let off pressure if they get too full, but that's all I know? Please = educate me.   Thanks, Roy   --part1_190.1b0fa83.298422a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi Group: <BR> <BR>Roc has cruelly exposed my ignorance re: regulators and reservoirs. = &nbsp;I think I shall pout! &nbsp;[Pout! &nbsp;Pout! &nbsp;. . . Pout = over!] <BR> <BR>Seriously, Roc and group, I guess I need a lesson about these terms. = &nbsp;I am only familiar with those big reservoirs with the double fold = bellows and the weights on them in old trackers. &nbsp;As to valves, I = know they have valves to let off pressure if they get too full, but that's = all I know? &nbsp;Please educate me. <BR> <BR>Thanks, <BR>Roy </FONT></HTML>   --part1_190.1b0fa83.298422a9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] New to list From: "Frank Vanaman" <fvanaman@speakeasy.org> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:32:54 -0500   Hello--   You've come to the right place, I think! It's a friendly group indeed, and = a pretty knowledgable one as well.   Your thoughts on what *you* want in a home pipe organ are well taken. My = own project (just barely underway) is of a similar type, in that it's designed for my tastes, and will seem a bit eccentric to others. They won't have to live with it, though!   The basic concept of my installation could be distilled to: a unit organ, with theatre organ-like unification, played from a horseshoe console with more manuals than most people would expect (http://frank.gadgetland.net/projects.htm), with a great proportion of residence organ pipework designed to be run on lower pressure. So, then an Aeolian on unit chests with theatrical unification! Will it work? Erhm, we'll see, possibly later this year.   At any rate, welcome!   Frank Vanaman Baltimore   -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Trailrider Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 7:57 AM To: Residence Organ List Subject: [Residence Organs] New to list     Hello;   My name is Gary and I just joined this list in hopes that I can become a part of a friendly group of like minded residence pipe organ enthusiasts.        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] New to list From: "Trailrider" <horseback@shell.core.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:42:04 -0600 (CST)       On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, F. Richard Burt wrote:   > tell us where you live.   I live in rural Walworth County Wisconsin about 50 west of downtown Milwaukee.   Thanks Richard   Gary    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] New to list From: "Trailrider" <horseback@shell.core.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:10:05 -0600 (CST)       On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Frank Vanaman wrote:   > played from a horseshoe console with more manuals than most people would > expect   I just looked at your console and it looks very nice.   In my thinking as far as an orchestreal unit organ goes, the more manuals on the console, the more control you have over the organ. I would prefer to have at least three manuals on my instrument and I did have a chance to buy a very nice Moller three manual console at a very nice price but the sheer bulk of that console will not work out very well in my listening room. The Gulbransen console I have works out very well sizewize and it is very well built. The keys are wood and the stopkeys are very beautiful. I have extra Gulbransen stopkeys from organs that were junked so I have been able to set up the rail with reasonably good unification.   > Aeolian on unit chests with theatrical unification!   Aeolian pipework or Aeolein voiced (sp?) pipes? I have a friend who has three ranks of Aeoleins ganged together on a single unit chest with a re-designed top and rack board. The center rank is tuned A=3D440 and the other two ranks are tuned slightly sharp and flat. The sound is very beautiful especially with the manual couplers on. I wish I had those pipes.   Thanks Frank. Gary K.    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] New to list From: "Frank Vanaman" <fvanaman@speakeasy.org> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:54:05 -0500   Hi Gary and others who are still reading this thread! ;)   >Aeolian pipework or Aeolein voiced (sp?) pipes? I have a friend who has >three ranks of Aeoleins ganged together on a single unit chest with a >re-designed top and rack board. The center rank is tuned A=3D440 and the >other two ranks are tuned slightly sharp and flat. The sound is very >beautiful especially with the manual couplers on. I wish I had those >pipes.   In my case, it's Aeolian pipework as in pipes made by the Aeolian Company, namely a viole, viole celeste (sharp), clarinet (free reeds), pedal 16' bassoon, and in the near future a vox humana and a gemshorn.   I think the other similar looking word you were thinking of was "Aeoline", of which I have none! A unison, sharp and flat set of Aeolines would = indeed be quite nice, 'specially in a confined setting like a private music room. = I have toyed with the idea of a chorus of dulcianas with unison, sharp and flat ranks, but I suspect I'll run out of space before they can go in...   Frank        
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] New to list From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:37:56 -0800   Gee, now I feel like a real 'schnook'! I had replied to Gary privately, because of the fact that very little of interest to we theatre organ folks turns up here, and the first two replies he gets on the list are from = Frank Vanaman and F. Richard Burt, both theatre organ minded individuals.   I didn't mean to slight anyone, and I hope that Gary understands that. In my own defense, I had stated that this is a nice bunch of folks.   Frank, I couldn't agree with you more about the 'Dulciana chorus'. The mainstream objection to Robert Morton organs has been that 'they're all strings and flutes'. My theatre organ experience is mostly with Mortons = (a 4-22, a 3-13, and a 2-6), and I LOVE strings and flutes! The San = Francisco Orpheum theatre 4-22 Morton had 4 Tibia clausas, a concert flute, and a Quintadena. It also had a pair of Viols, a pair of Violins, a pair of Gambas and a pair of Salicionals, so more than half of that organ was 'strings and flutes'. My own home installation will include 5 ranks of strings out of 14 ranks total, including a 'unison-sharp-flat' set of Violins, as well as two Tibias, a Wurlitzer and a Wangerin. The effect of massed strings contrasts beautifully with the pure fundamental tone of the Tibias, one of my favourite theatre organ sounds.   At any rate Frank, if you run out of room before you can get those Dulcianas installed, it sounds like you need more room... ;-)       At 12:54 PM 1/26/02 -0500, Frank Vanaman wrote: >Hi Gary and others who are still reading this thread! ;) > >>Aeolian pipework or Aeolein voiced (sp?) pipes? I have a friend who has >>three ranks of Aeoleins ganged together on a single unit chest with a >>re-designed top and rack board. The center rank is tuned A=3D440 and the >>other two ranks are tuned slightly sharp and flat. The sound is very >>beautiful especially with the manual couplers on. I wish I had those >>pipes. > >In my case, it's Aeolian pipework as in pipes made by the Aeolian = Company, >namely a viole, viole celeste (sharp), clarinet (free reeds), pedal 16' >bassoon, and in the near future a vox humana and a gemshorn. > >I think the other similar looking word you were thinking of was = "Aeoline", >of which I have none! A unison, sharp and flat set of Aeolines would = indeed >be quite nice, 'specially in a confined setting like a private music = room. I >have toyed with the idea of a chorus of dulcianas with unison, sharp and >flat ranks, but I suspect I'll run out of space before they can go in... > >Frank > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >   Regards, Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA http://home.jps.net/~rrloesch/index.htm    
(back) Subject: Celestes, Aeolines ect. From: "Trailrider" <horseback@shell.core.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:33:20 -0600 (CST)       On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Frank Vanaman wrote: RE: [Residence Organs] New to list   > I think the other similar looking word you were thinking of was = "Aeoline",   Yes. I was sure that I spelled it wrong.   If I can fit it all in the chamber when I get my basic organ playing, I would like to have a pair of soft strings for the accomp. In some of my musical arrangements I like to play passages and/or interludes with both hands on one manual and the trems off and celestes make this sound all the better. A flute celeste can also be very nice sounding. To start with I will probably have only one string (salicional) in the instrument and hope that it blends OK. I have played some organs that had only one loud string in the chamber and found it to be very hard to register the instrument when using the string on the accomp.   Gary K.    
(back) Subject: Looking for a small slide tuner From: "john volbeda" <johnvolbeda@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:53:09 -0800   Hello List Members,   I need a cylindrical metal tuning slide (slide tuner) for a small metal pipe. The outside pipe dimension of the pipe is 3/8 inch and should be about 1/2 inch long. Can any of you lead me to a source to purchase this tiny but important item? (I can purchase this from OSI, but the order = will be too small and I don=92t plan to send them an order any time soon).   Thanks for looking,   John Volbeda Southern California   BTW, my project is the beginning stages (planning, collecting, dreaming, etc.), but this List is encouraging to me. At the beginning of the year, one list member suggested to make this =93The Year of the Organ=94. I = really liked that idea and have high hopes that this too will be =93The Year of = the Organ=94 for my residential pipe organ project.           _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] New to list From: "Trailrider" <horseback@shell.core.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:55:50 -0600 (CST)       On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Bob Loesch wrote:   > I didn't mean to slight anyone, and I hope that Gary understands that.   No problem. I love pipe organs pure and simple from tiny positiv/portaiv instruments up to the biggest instruments in churches. The only real problem I personally have with the latter is the word "churches". I am a very spiritual person but I try to stay clear of religion and/or religious organizations. I get a bit nervous when I go into a church building to hear a nice organ concert but I still on rare occasion go in.   My musical leanings or tallent is in playing popular music and most of my professional exposure was in saloons. I very much like classical music and I do dabble with it in playing classical organ music but I am not very good at it. I also like orchestreal transcriptions.   Gary K.    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Spill Flute Problem From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:57:55 -0500   At 06:11 PM 1/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: >One further thing I wished to add (but neglected to type in time) > >With pipes as you describe (especially trebles of such stops) it is >entirely possible that nothing at all is wrong. Low pressure, non-nicked =   >pipes, when heard in an intimate setting, are often inherently uneven in >treble regions, despite the best attempts of fine voicers. It's "the >nature of the beast[s]", so to speak.   I have a number of treble Diapason pipes that have the same type of sound problem from different ranks. They are also low WP with very light nicking =   and low cutups. I've wondered if this is somehow normal for these pipes, but some are quite acceptable and some not, so it seems that there should be some adjustment possible. I with my limited experience was able to get probably the worst one to sound quite good, but others didn't seem to respond. There must be some tricks that only the experienced voicer can = apply.   Distance from the pipes and liveness of the room seem to make them much more acceptable. I have all furniture, carpeting and other sound absorbing =   materials out of my fairly large room now to get the walls, ceiling and floors done. What a difference already in the acoustics. Right now there = is just 1/2" drywall on the walls and ceiling and 3/4" subfloor. I built the house myself a number of years back and am finally getting to finishing = the inside. I will be adding another layer of 1/2" gypsum board and then have that plastered. The floor will get 3/4 T&G Oak strip flooring. This along with proper paint should really liven up the room. Then I can get the rest =   of my 17 or so ranks installed in addition to the three I have playing now. The room sounds so much better now without the furniture that we've pretty much decided to build a separate living room. Then I will have a real music room with only the (hard) dining room furniture in addition to the organ and someday a piano again I hope. This should also make my wife happier as she hasn't been all that thrilled with the organ taking over = the living/dining room.   Eric     >TMB > >At 05:57 PM 1/25/2002 -0600, I wrote: >>Voicing problems are practically impossible to diagnose/repair via email =   >>-- you just really DO have to "be there"...<g> > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] New to list From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:04:00 -0500   At 06:57 AM 1/26/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Hello; > >My name is Gary and I just joined this list in hopes that I can become a >part of a friendly group of like minded residence pipe organ enthusiasts.   Welcome to the list Gary! I'm sure you'll find alot of useful information here along with a friendly bunch of organ nuts like me.   Eric