DIYAPASON-L Digest #587 - Wednesday, June 19, 2002
 
consoles
  by "Jonathan Reese" <jreese@digitas.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  consoles
  by "Trailrider" <horseback@shell.core.com>
Gluing Drywall
  by "John Haskey" <johnh@haskey.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  consoles
  by "John Haskey" <johnh@haskey.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Gluing Drywall
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: [Residence Organs]  consoles
  by "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Gluing Drywall
  by "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  consoles
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: [Residence Organs]  consoles
  by <GenieWaltr@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  consoles
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: [Residence Organs]  consoles
  by "W. D. Heimer" <dheimer@sensible.net>
 

(back) Subject: consoles From: "Jonathan Reese" <jreese@digitas.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:59:09 -0400   I am wondering if anyone has done anything creative/interesting to = reduce the size of their console. It seems that most of these beasts = are much bigger than they need to be, and all space-saving efforts go a = long way in a residence.  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] consoles From: "Trailrider" <horseback@shell.core.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:31:03 -0500 (CDT)       On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Jonathan Reese wrote:   > I am wondering if anyone has done anything creative/interesting to > reduce the size of their console.   I know you are refering to those using an existing pipe organ console but I thought I would mention something about my choice in consoles.   I am building a theatre organ style instrument from misc. parts. I have a modest sized listening room so the console I have opted to use is a Gulbransen Rialto console. It is small in that it only has 25 pedals rather than 32 and is smaller all the way around as it was designed to fit into the avarage person's residence.   The GULCO console has very well made wooden keyboards and a cute illuminated horseshoe stop rail plus the stopkeys are beautifully colored and have very attractive engraving.   The real limitation on this console is that there is only space for 45 stopkeys so unification must be kept within that limitation.   I would really like to have a three manual console and not too long ago a large Moller console was offered to me at a very nice price. I do not have my instrument playing yet but I hope it will be playing soon. Once I have it playing I may compormise on my idea of using a compact console and buy a large three manual console.   GaryK    
(back) Subject: Gluing Drywall From: "John Haskey" <johnh@haskey.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:28:16 -0700 (PDT)     We're about to the drywall stage in our project (yes, I know, I don't have the website up yet) and I recall from an earlier post that it was suggested that the two layers of drywall be glued together with thinned glue. What works for this? White Glue? Thinned how much? With water? Thanks.   ---john.      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] consoles From: "John Haskey" <johnh@haskey.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT)       On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Jonathan Reese wrote:   > I am wondering if anyone has done anything creative/interesting to > reduce the size of their console. It seems that most of these beasts > are much bigger than they need to be, and all space-saving efforts go a > long way in a residence. >   I too have thought about this. Whilst websurfing a while back I came across a photo of a couple of small consoles. Unfortunately I can only find one of them now and unfortunately I can't find in my notes which site the picture was from. For what it's worth:   http://www.haskey.com/johnh/organ/small_console.jpg   (649x890 jpg)   ---john.    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Gluing Drywall From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:36:55 -0500   I would use something like liquid nails and apply it with a tile trowel, and apply pressure until the glue was set...(liquid nails sets up rather quickly)   jch     At 10:28 AM 6/19/02 -0700, you wrote:   >We're about to the drywall stage in our project (yes, I know, I don't = have >the website up yet) and I recall from an earlier post that it was >suggested that the two layers of drywall be glued together with thinned >glue. What works for this? White Glue? Thinned how much? With water? >Thanks. > > ---john. > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] consoles From: "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:53:58 -0400   Yes, most of them are much too large for residence use .....so I designed and have built a console that is decent-looking and as small as = is possible, respecting AGO standards. It is based on a picture in a 1978 Durst Organ Supply catalog (Case style W-126) and is made of 3/4" birch plywood for the most part.   I used the pedal board, bench, 2 keyboards, and music rack from my old 3 manual Wicks console, which had much hugosity and wasted space. The old stop actions can probably be used, also.   If anyone is interested, I can email scanned images as well as a CAD file (AutoCAD compatible). Reply to steltzer@gwi.net, please. Ed, in Maine   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Reese" <jreese@digitas.com> To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: [Residence Organs] consoles     I am wondering if anyone has done anything creative/interesting to reduce the size of their console. It seems that most of these beasts are much bigger than they need to be, and all space-saving efforts go a long way in = a residence.            
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Gluing Drywall From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:26:04 -0400   I used two layers of 1/2" Sheetrock (yes, it even had that name printed on it), glued with Titebond diluted with equal parts of water. White glue (Elmer's) would probably work even better, since the Titebond was still pretty thick, even at 50% dilution. I applied it with a paint roller so = as to get full coverage, and I used *lots* of sheetrock screws. (On the walls, you'll find that the full coating of glue tends to hold the second layer on pretty much by itself, but the screws are cheap and easy to install.)   The idea is to make the two layers into one, and for that purpose it is better to use a full coverage of adhesive; it will bond the paper "skins" quite completely. Liquid Nails or other construction adhesives would be difficult to apply with full coverage, and the fumes would probably = provide quite a bit of chemical entertainment.   Since I had pre-loaded the sheetrock (Sheetrock!) into the basement = chamber area before installing the finish floor in the dining room above it, I ended up with quite a few scraps, which I glued to the top side of the top layer of the ceiling. That top layer was itself made up of strips, say 1' wide, cut from pieces used elsewhere in the chamber. After attaching a = few of these strips to the joists, I then coated random scraps with glue and slide them up into the space between the joist so that they glued themselves to the top of the top layer. It was an easy way to "dispose" = of the scraps and it made the ceiling not just 1" but 1-1/2" thick in many places. I figured that couldn't hurt anything.   The Sheetrock then got a coat of primer and two (or was it three?) coats = of high-gloss latex enamel paint. The result is a hard surface, quite = smooth, and pretty massive (all things considered).   Be sure to make note of the stud locations or other backing material in case you later need to attach things like pipe support racks that you want anchored to the "real" structure!   Larry Chace        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] consoles From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:36:41 -0500   When I was stationed at Great Lakes back in the sixties, the only house I could afford was a very small one in Zion, Il. It had a very small living room with not enough room for an organ console. The organ chamber was located in the bedroom behind the living room and I set the Robert Morton console into the wall under the swell shades (tracker style) so that the bulk of the console was actually in the organ chamber. It worked quite = well and evoked considerable interest for my visitors.   jch    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] consoles From: <GenieWaltr@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:05:23 EDT     --part1_7f.27cb42b0.2a426833_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Although I haven't had any first-hand experience, I have seen a few = consoles cut down to fit into the front of the organ (similar to a Tracker installation). By cutting off most of the back portion of the console = shell, the back ends of the keys and any associated switching are pushed into the =   organ case. I know of one cut-down console that was for sale, but I don't =   know if it's still available.   Gene Walter Norway, SC 29113   --part1_7f.27cb42b0.2a426833_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Although I haven't had any first-hand = experience, I have seen a few consoles cut down to fit into the front of = the organ (similar to a Tracker installation).&nbsp; By cutting off most = of the back portion of the console shell, the back ends of the keys and = any associated switching are pushed into the organ case.&nbsp; I know of = one cut-down console that was for sale, but I don't know if it's still = available.<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Calligrapher" LANG=3D"0">Gene Walter</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Tahoma" LANG=3D"0"><BR> Norway, SC&nbsp; 29113</FONT></HTML>   --part1_7f.27cb42b0.2a426833_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] consoles From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:10:53 -0500   At 07:05 PM 6/19/02 -0400, you wrote: >By cutting off most of the back portion of the console shell, the back >ends of the keys and any associated switching are pushed into the organ = case.     When I recessed my Robert Morton it was not necessary to destroy the console to accommodate the installation. Fortunately the console could be disassembled which meant the actual shell per se did not have to be cut. = If I remember correctly a quasi sort of support was built for this installation. It was intended to restore the console in the next installation which would hopefully have sufficient space for the console = to stand-alone.   jch    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] consoles From: "W. D. Heimer" <dheimer@sensible.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:20:40 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0018_01C217CE.C82D29A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Yo' Gene, It's still available. Regards Dave Heimer ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: GenieWaltr@aol.com=3D20 To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] consoles     Although I haven't had any first-hand experience, I have seen a few =3D consoles cut down to fit into the front of the organ (similar to a =3D Tracker installation). By cutting off most of the back portion of the =3D console shell, the back ends of the keys and any associated switching =3D are pushed into the organ case. I know of one cut-down console that was = =3D for sale, but I don't know if it's still available.   Gene Walter Norway, SC 29113=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0018_01C217CE.C82D29A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Yo' Gene, It's still =3D available.&nbsp;&nbsp; Regards=3D20 Dave Heimer</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:GenieWaltr@aol.com"=3D20 title=3D3DGenieWaltr@aol.com>GenieWaltr@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org"=3D20 title=3D3DDIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org>DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 19, 2002 = =3D 5:05=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Residence Organs] = =3D   consoles</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D lang=3D3D0 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Although I haven't had any first-hand experience, = =3D I have=3D20 seen a few consoles cut down to fit into the front of the organ =3D (similar to a=3D20 Tracker installation).&nbsp; By cutting off most of the back portion =3D of the=3D20 console shell, the back ends of the keys and any associated switching = =3D are=3D20 pushed into the organ case.&nbsp; I know of one cut-down console that = =3D was for=3D20 sale, but I don't know if it's still available.<BR><BR></FONT><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#000000 face=3D3DCalligrapher lang=3D3D0 size=3D3D4=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">Gene Walter</FONT><FONT =3D color=3D3D#000000=3D20 face=3D3DTahoma lang=3D3D0 size=3D3D2 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff"=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Norway, SC&nbsp; 29113</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0018_01C217CE.C82D29A0--