DIYAPASON-L Digest #635 - Monday, September 2, 2002
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Home Organ Project Starts
  by "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Home Organ Project Starts
  by "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk>
List Archives
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: List Archives
  by "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  organ available
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Home Organ Project Starts From: "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:50:49 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_008D_01C25266.37B5D340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi   Thanks for the info. and interest.   There seems to be little real historic value to the organ - it's a =3D fairly typical Victorian "Chancel Organ" - like hundreds in this =3D country. The existing casework is just panelled softwood, currently =3D painted white. I will need to make some modifications anyway, as the =3D soundboard is too high for the longest pipes to fit the room height of a = =3D "standard" UK house, and I will probably replace the 8ft Open with a 2ft = =3D of some sort.   I hope to get a website up and running with pictures at some point - but = =3D don't hold your breath!   Every Blessing   Tony ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: ATOS=3D20 To: Residence Organ List=3D20 Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:24 PM Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Home Organ Project Starts     If the historical value of the organ warrants keeping it as-is, the =3D woodwork problems you describe can usually be remedied. For example, =3D damaged screw holes can be repaired by using the dust from a wood sander = =3D mixed with a good wood glue. In cases where the holes are just oversized = =3D from the screw being removed then reinserted, this can be fixed by =3D pumping a little superglue into the hole. It will harden the wood and =3D swell the wood fibers up enough that you can reinsert the screw and have = =3D it bind tightly.   As for the wood pipes, these would require examination, but I have =3D seen cracked wood pipes glued with success. It is best to get a =3D hypodermic syringe and pump glue into the crack and then clamp the crack = =3D closed. The trick here is to make sure the pipe is air-tight throughout = =3D the entire length of the air column. Any leaks will effectively shorten = =3D the pipe and make it impossible to tune. Your metal pipes can be =3D straightened by inserting wood dowels into the pipes and forcing the =3D dents out. I keep a complete set of dowels from 1/8' to 2" diameter for = =3D that purpose. Make sure not to touch the languids when you force the =3D dowel in because that can do serious damage to the voicing. Also be sure = =3D to use an appropriately sized dowel so you do not split the pipe along =3D the existing solder seam.   Without seeing the actual installation, I can't really advise whether = =3D you need to build a frame. Usually a good cabinet maker can help you =3D make a determination as to whether a complete frame, or just spot =3D reinforcement of the existing cabinet would be to your advantage. This = =3D sounds like a project that would be of interest to a lot of people. If =3D you can get some good photos along the way, I will be happy to display =3D your progress on a website I operate for that purpose. We are constantly = =3D building a knowledge base and library for mainly theatre organ projects, = =3D but these problems are universal to all organs. The site is =3D http://atos.stirlingprop.com/knowbase.htm if you want to take a look.=3D20   Good luck whichever way you decide to go.   -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On =3D Behalf Of Tony Newnham Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 3:32 AM To: Residence Organ List; organchat@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Residence Organs] Home Organ Project Starts     Hi all   Friday I dismantled and moved a small pipe organ from a church that = =3D had no further use for it. The aim was to re-assemble it, with some =3D mods. to casework and off-note chests, as a home practice organ.   However, there are some problems that have come to light in the =3D course of dismantling.   There is no building frame - reservoir and windchest turned out to =3D be hung off rails screwed to the inside of the case sides, the keyboard = =3D and pedal coupler assembly were on transverse rails half-lapped into the = =3D front and back of the case. (The case sides are panelled - similar =3D construction and material thickness to doors!). The organ was "rebuilt" =3D about 30 years ago, and since then, a number of vital screws holding the = =3D thing together had either loosened, or split the surrounding woodwork! = =3D Once the front access panels were removed, the whole assembly felt very = =3D flimsy.   Some of the wooden pipes have been "repaired" with insulating tape! = =3D I haven't had time yet to investigate closely.   Also, a lot of vital screws had worked loose for no apparent reason = =3D - including those holding down upper boards at bass and treble ends for = =3D off-notes. (These had to be removed to get to the screws holding the =3D windchest to the case. In fact, there were only 2 screws in the whole =3D instrument that were anything like tight!   As I see it, I have 3 options:- 1) make a proper building frame and reassemble more or less "as is", = =3D keeping the tracker action.   2) convert to direct electric action, using lever-arm magnets (which = =3D I have) on the pull-downs of the present chest.   3) scrap the chest and make a DE unit chest using the magnets.   The metal pipework seems to be in reasonable condition, although =3D some of the larger pipes have taken a few knocks and have bent ears.   Spec. before dismantling:-   1 Manual C-g3, pedal pull-downs; Open Diapason Bass (TC) Open Diapason Treble Stopped Diapason Bass & Treble (treble is actually Clarabella pipes) Principal Bass & Treble.   I will probably put a 2ft flute in place of the Open Diap.   Any comments/suggestions welcome.   Every Blessing   Tony   ------=3D_NextPart_000_008D_01C25266.37B5D340 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hi</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks for the info. and =3D interest.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>There seems to be little real = historic =3D value to the=3D20 organ - it's a fairly typical Victorian "Chancel Organ" - like hundreds = =3D in this=3D20 country.&nbsp; The existing casework is just panelled softwood, =3D currently=3D20 painted white.&nbsp; I will need to make some modifications anyway, as =3D the=3D20 soundboard is too high for the longest pipes to fit the room height of a = =3D   "standard" UK house, and I will probably replace the 8ft Open with a 2ft = =3D of some=3D20 sort.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I hope to get a website up and = running =3D with=3D20 pictures at some point - but don't hold your breath!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Every Blessing</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tony</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Datos@stirlingprop.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:atos@stirlingprop.com">ATOS</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3DDIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org">Residence Organ List</A> =3D </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 01, =3D 2002 1:24=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Residence Organs] = =3D Home=3D20 Organ Project Starts</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580190312-01092002><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2>If=3D20 the historical value of the organ warrants keeping it as-is, the =3D woodwork=3D20 problems you describe can usually be remedied. For example, damaged =3D screw=3D20 holes can be repaired by using the dust from a wood sander mixed with = =3D a good=3D20 wood glue. In cases where the holes are just oversized from the screw = =3D being=3D20 removed then reinserted, this can be fixed by pumping a little =3D superglue into=3D20 the hole. It will harden the wood and swell the wood fibers up enough = =3D that you=3D20 can reinsert the screw and have it bind tightly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580190312-01092002><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580190312-01092002><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2>As=3D20 for the wood pipes, these would require examination, but I have seen =3D cracked=3D20 wood pipes glued with success. It is&nbsp;best to get a hypodermic =3D syringe and=3D20 pump glue into the crack and then clamp the crack closed. The trick =3D here is to=3D20 make sure the pipe is air-tight throughout the entire length of the =3D air=3D20 column. Any leaks will effectively shorten the pipe and make it =3D impossible to=3D20 tune. Your metal pipes can be straightened by inserting wood dowels =3D into the=3D20 pipes and forcing the dents out. I keep a complete set of dowels from = =3D 1/8' to=3D20 2" diameter for that purpose. Make sure not to touch the languids when = =3D you=3D20 force the dowel in because that can do serious damage to the voicing. = =3D Also be=3D20 sure to use an appropriately sized dowel so you do not split the pipe = =3D along=3D20 the existing&nbsp; solder seam.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580190312-01092002><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580190312-01092002><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2>Without seeing the actual installation, I can't really advise = =3D whether=3D20 you need to build a frame. Usually a good cabinet maker can help you =3D make a=3D20 determination as to whether a complete frame, or just spot =3D reinforcement of=3D20 the existing cabinet would be to your advantage. &nbsp;This sounds =3D like a=3D20 project that would be of interest to a lot of people. If you can get =3D some good=3D20 photos along the way, I will be happy to display your progress on a =3D website I=3D20 operate for that purpose. We&nbsp;are constantly building a knowledge = =3D base and=3D20 library for mainly theatre organ projects, but these problems are =3D universal to=3D20 all organs. The site is <A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://atos.stirlingprop.com/knowbase.htm">http://atos.stirlingpr= =3D op.com/knowbase.htm</A>=3D20 if you want to take a look. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580190312-01092002><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580190312-01092002><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2>Good=3D20 luck whichever way you decide to go.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580190312-01092002></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D580190312-01092002></SPAN><FONT = face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Tony=3D20 Newnham<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 01, 2002 3:32 =3D AM<BR><B>To:</B>=3D20 Residence Organ List; organchat@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> =3D [Residence=3D20 Organs] Home Organ Project Starts<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr style=3D3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hi all</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Friday&nbsp;I dismantled and =3D moved&nbsp;a small=3D20 pipe organ from a church that had no further use for it.&nbsp; The =3D aim was=3D20 to re-assemble it, with some mods. to casework and off-note chests, = =3D as a=3D20 home practice organ.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>However, there are some problems = =3D that have come=3D20 to light in the course of dismantling.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>There is no building frame - =3D reservoir and=3D20 windchest turned out to be hung off rails screwed to the inside of =3D the case=3D20 sides, the keyboard and pedal coupler assembly were on transverse =3D rails=3D20 half-lapped into the front and back of the case.&nbsp; (The case =3D sides are=3D20 panelled - similar construction and material thickness to =3D doors!).&nbsp; The=3D20 organ was "rebuilt" about 30 years ago, and since then, a number of = =3D vital=3D20 screws holding the thing together had either loosened, or split = the=3D20 surrounding woodwork!&nbsp; Once the front access panels were =3D removed, the=3D20 whole assembly felt very flimsy.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Some of the wooden pipes have = been =3D "repaired"=3D20 with insulating tape!&nbsp; I haven't had time yet to investigate=3D20 closely.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Also, a lot of vital screws had = =3D worked loose=3D20 for no apparent reason - including those holding down upper boards =3D at bass=3D20 and treble ends for off-notes.&nbsp; (These had to be removed to get = =3D to the=3D20 screws holding the windchest to the case.&nbsp; In fact, there were = =3D only 2=3D20 screws in the whole instrument that were anything like =3D tight!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>As I see it, I have 3 =3D options:-</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>1) make a proper building frame = and =3D reassemble=3D20 more or less "as is", keeping the tracker action.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>2) convert to direct electric =3D action, using=3D20 lever-arm magnets (which I have) on the pull-downs of the present=3D20 chest.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>3) scrap the chest and make a DE = =3D unit chest=3D20 using the magnets.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The metal pipework seems to be in = =3D reasonable=3D20 condition, although some of the larger pipes have taken a few knocks = =3D and=3D20 have bent ears.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Spec. before =3D dismantling:-</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>1 Manual C-g3, pedal =3D pull-downs;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Open Diapason Bass =3D (TC)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Open Diapason Treble</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Stopped Diapason Bass &amp; = Treble =3D (treble is=3D20 actually Clarabella pipes)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Principal Bass &amp; =3D Treble.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I will probably put a 2ft flute = in =3D place of the=3D20 Open Diap.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Any comments/suggestions =3D welcome.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Every Blessing</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>Tony</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY><= =3D /HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_008D_01C25266.37B5D340--    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Home Organ Project Starts From: "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:52:39 +0100   Larry   Thanks for the reply. As I've said in reply to another post, I will need = to modify the casework anyway, so a new building frame seems to be the way to go (at present anyway). I hope to get a website up at some point - and = I'll post progress reports as and when (but not too soon as I've a holiday looming!)   Every Blessing   Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 12:53 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: Home Organ Project Starts     | Tony Newnham <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk> described a "building = frame-less" | little instrument. From his description, I'd be tempted to at least try | building a new frame, even if only a "temporary" one (that's a dangerous | word!). | | Such a project should be much easier than fitting the chest will pull-downs | or building a new chest, and in either case (so to speak) there would | *still* be the question of how to support the chest. | | The present casework would at least serve as a pattern for making a new | frame, and that would probably allow the existing trackers and other action | parts to be re-used. A new casework, though, might have to be built, or | perhaps the old one could be suitably modified to fit around the new frame. | | Good luck, Tony! | | Larry Chace | | | | DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own | Residence Pipe Organs. | HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org | List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org | Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org | |    
(back) Subject: List Archives From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:20:11 -0500   Morning Folks and Happy Labor Day     This morning I finished updating the List Archives through the last Digest from August. I know that it has been a long time since I have done these but it takes lots of time to get them up on line. Each Digest file needs to be run through several programs and also renames in order to get them into the web site. Finally, I have had some time to do this project.   In the process I have also reorganized the whole archives section by year and month. So if you have any links to the Digests as they were previously those links will not work anymore. As part of this project I also had to rename the old files to fit into the new organization which again will break any links that you might have already on your browsers. Sorry about that but this will save lots of problems later as the archives grow.   I know that people have sent notes to me asking that I include a link to their web site or to add their Bio to the site. I would like to ask that if you have sent something asking for this would you please send it again to me at <owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org>. This time I will make it a point to get those added to the site.   Thanks for your patience.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: List Archives From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:39:15 -0400   David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> wrote:   >This morning I finished updating the List Archives...   >Thanks for your patience.   Thank *YOU*, David, for all of your work supporting this group!!! Without you, we wouldn't be we!   Larry Chace        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] organ available From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:32:42 -0700   Hi people,   Received the following note today. Demolition is imminent. I don't have time to tend to it. Could anyone forward this to Organ Clearing House as well?   Hope someone saves it!   John V ********************* Here's the one I mentioned last night.   6-rank, 2MP Odell, probably 1920-30s, EP one rank is a trumpet. Highly unified (stops include nazard, larigot and tierce). Sub-, intermanual- and octave couplers. Housed in an 8x10 enclosure with pipe facade, clean with many small offsets (easy to dismantle). Emphasis 'race with the wrecking ball'.   Call Rev. Bill Hanasack (sic?) 212-734-0828, Mt Bethany church 6th Ave and 67 St, NYC   Can probably be gotten real cheap.