DIYAPASON-L Digest #657 - Monday, September 30, 2002
 
Where to Buy Parts
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Where to Buy Parts
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Where to Buy Parts
  by "Jon" <sparky@CEINetworks.com>
Re: Where to Buy Parts
  by "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Where to Buy Parts
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@mindspring.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Where to Buy Parts
  by "Jan S. Van Der Stad" <dorian@nac.net>
Reservoirs
  by "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Reservoirs
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
my first posting, and a pipe material question
  by "wa1vvh" <wa1vvh@net1plus.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  my first posting, and a pipe material que	stion
  by "Fr. Larry Covington" <larry.covington@St-Louis.org>
Proposed Specification
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Proposed Specification
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Proposed Specification
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Where to Buy Parts From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:58:25 -0500   Anybody got recommendations on sources to buy various organ parts--e.g., magnets, stop tabs, odds and ends specific to organ building? I'm in the early stages of putting together my second home organ, and have the major parts assembled (the first organ was/is a Moller Artiste, and I didn't = face this problem since it was complete).   OSI obviously has the stuff, but they make it quite clear on their website that they don't want to serve hobbyists and non-professionals. I suppose = a nearby organ firm would order for me, but that's not only not very convenient, it might involve a markup for them, which I can readily understand.   Also, how do I determine how many (and what size) reservoirs I need? I basically have four 4-rank chests--1 ep and 3 de, and will be needing to maintain pressures of 3 1/2-4".   Thanks!   Dennis Steckley "For I am possessed of a cat, surpassing in beauty, from whom I take occasion to bless Almighty God."    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Where to Buy Parts From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:08:47 -0500   HI Dennis, Try Peterson's in Alsip, Il. I have purchased my relay and stops controls from them. Bob Domer is the guy to ask for, and he is very helpful and friendly. Hope this helps. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:58 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] Where to Buy Parts     > Anybody got recommendations on sources to buy various organ parts--e.g., > magnets, stop tabs, odds and ends specific to organ building? I'm in = the > early stages of putting together my second home organ, and have the = major > parts assembled (the first organ was/is a Moller Artiste, and I didn't face > this problem since it was complete). > > OSI obviously has the stuff, but they make it quite clear on their = website > that they don't want to serve hobbyists and non-professionals. I = suppose a > nearby organ firm would order for me, but that's not only not very > convenient, it might involve a markup for them, which I can readily > understand. > > Also, how do I determine how many (and what size) reservoirs I need? I > basically have four 4-rank chests--1 ep and 3 de, and will be needing to > maintain pressures of 3 1/2-4". > > Thanks! > > Dennis Steckley > "For I am possessed of a cat, surpassing in beauty, from whom I take > occasion to bless Almighty God." > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Where to Buy Parts From: "Jon" <sparky@CEINetworks.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:45:50 -0400   Dennis,   I never had any problems with OSI selling things to me. They opened an account and used a credit card the first time I called. They were always happy to answer any questions I might have had, no matter how stupid... = :-)   Same experience with Columbia Organ Works, however Klann would not even discuss their products with me once they found out I was an individual....   ~j       On 9/30/02 12:58 AM, "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote:   > Anybody got recommendations on sources to buy various organ parts--e.g., > magnets, stop tabs, odds and ends specific to organ building? I'm in = the > early stages of putting together my second home organ, and have the = major > parts assembled (the first organ was/is a Moller Artiste, and I didn't = face > this problem since it was complete). > > OSI obviously has the stuff, but they make it quite clear on their = website > that they don't want to serve hobbyists and non-professionals. I = suppose a > nearby organ firm would order for me, but that's not only not very > convenient, it might involve a markup for them, which I can readily > understand. > > Also, how do I determine how many (and what size) reservoirs I need? I > basically have four 4-rank chests--1 ep and 3 de, and will be needing to > maintain pressures of 3 1/2-4". > > Thanks! > > Dennis Steckley > "For I am possessed of a cat, surpassing in beauty, from whom I take > occasion to bless Almighty God." > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Where to Buy Parts From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:36:06 -0400   As Jon <sparky@CEINetworks.com> wrote, OSI is indeed happy to sell to hobbyists working on their own projects. Tell them who you are and what you are doing, and buy a copy of the catalog. If you need something that you don't find in the catalog, call up and ask; they make somethings that aren't listed, such as replacement valves for the Reisner 601 family of electric action magnets and replica Wurlitzer keyboards.   While it may well be true that some suppliers don't want to deal with hobbyists, the vast majority are happy to do so and are also very = pleasant. Just be sure they know who you are and what you are doing.   Larry Chace (an OSI customer since age 14!)      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Where to Buy Parts From: "Mac Hayes" <mach37@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:37:55 -0700   Jon wrote: > > I never had any problems with OSI selling things to me. ...   Same here. OSI seems to be unprejudiced in their choice of customers.   Mac Hayes  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Where to Buy Parts From: "Jan S. Van Der Stad" <dorian@nac.net> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:45:42 -0400   Hi, List   The only time I had some confusion with OSI was when I was placing my = first order and they asked me if I was a church organist. Without thinking, I replied, "Yes!" That caused some confusion.   Then I had to explain the fact that I was an organist as well as an area organ tuner and service person, and that I wasn't the organist at the same church I was doing organ work for. I've ordered from them on several occassions now without a problem.   The only thing OSI doesn't seem to like to do is selling to a church directly, as they explained to me that first time.   Jan S. Van Der Stad Oak Ridge NJ       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac Hayes" <mach37@mindspring.com> To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Where to Buy Parts     > Jon wrote: > > > > I never had any problems with OSI selling things to me. ... > > Same here. OSI seems to be unprejudiced in their choice of customers. > > Mac Hayes > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Reservoirs From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:52:43 -0400   Dennis Steckley <kzrev@rr1.net> asked:   >Also, how do I determine how many (and what size) reservoirs I need? I >basically have four 4-rank chests--1 ep and 3 de, and will be needing to >maintain pressures of 3 1/2-4".   OSI's catalog (also a good source of information!) indicates that their = 24" by 36" reservoir will handle "4 stops"; obviously, highly unified ranks might be more consumptive than straight ranks. If you have no need for multiple tremulants (each one being associated with exactly one = reservoir), then 4 might do the job.   Another approach is to split of the bass pipes (16' and perhaps 8' octaves), especially from the ranks that consume more wind, and place them on their own reservoir(s). The trebles will consume very little wind and can therefore have a higher rank/reservoir ratio. In such a case, you may want to provide some "winkers" to give a little extra "instantaneous" stability to the wind.   Strings and reeds will consume little wind in the bass, but Bourdons and Diapasons will need quite a bit more. (As a single point of data, I have = a unified open wood flute rank with a 16' stopped bass octave all playing = off a 1/4 hp Ventus blower with a 12" by 12" (!) Moller mini-reservoir. The blower puts out about 6" and the pipes are playing on about 4-1/2". While there is just a bit of instability -- flexible wind! -- it is entirely acceptable.)   (For electronics folks, the reservoir is like a voltage regulator with a big capacitor on its input side, and the "winkers" are like the little de-glitching capacitors that get sprinkled liberally around the circuit board.)   My residence organ plans (at this point) call for separate wind systems = for the basses, up to perhaps tenor E or so (depending upon the particular rank). They will even have their own blower. Of course, to do something like that you need to have the basses off on their own chests!   To "fine-tune" the reservoirs, especially if you have tremulants, you can use weights purchased at a sporting-goods store. They sell nice round = cast iron "reservoir weights", pre-drilled with a nice big mounting hole, in increments of 2 or 2-1/2 pounds. Some folks like to lift these weights, perhaps placing them on a long steel rod, but I think they really work better on reservoirs.   Larry Chace      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Reservoirs From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:23:40 EDT   Hello organ-nutz. I thought the size of the curtain valve was as important = as the size of the regulator? OSI has always been helpful to me also. I call with questions, and they = will call back if you can't get someone right then. Dennis  
(back) Subject: my first posting, and a pipe material question From: "wa1vvh" <wa1vvh@net1plus.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:45:30 -0400   I am a new subscriber to this list, and just beginning in the pipe organ hobby. I have had a latent interest in pipe organs for many years but work = schedules and other requirements have kept it to my "wish list" until now.   Just as a short introduction, I live in Massachusetts, and have worked in = the RF and microwave field for 22 years. Along with this line of work I = have also been an active amateur radio hobbyist for a similar length of time.   I own a small house, but which has a living room with a raised cathedral ceiling with exposed crossbeams, and I have envisioned placing a modest = pipe organ into this space, along one wall. Behind this wall high up, is = a portion of the attic large enough to, maybe later on, install a swell = division of at least modest size. At any rate, for time and learning reasons, = I intend to start slowly and small.   I will have many, many technical questions as a newcomer, but I will = start with one about which I have seen some conflicting information on the web: = How important to the voice of a pipe is the material it is made from, = and why do I not (so far anyway) see any aluminum pipes? I am asking = this because, having done MUCH antenna and tower work, I have tons of = aluminum tubing in many diameters and wall gauges, and I have the ability to = solder and braze the stuff -- but I first want to know from those with more experience, in case making pipes this way will only be a waste of effort.   BTW, after only a few days on the list I have already seen a few postings =   that are very helpful to me with practical information!       Harry Chase            
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] my first posting, and a pipe material que stion From: "Fr. Larry Covington" <larry.covington@St-Louis.org> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:04:31 -0500   Hi Harry,   Getting started on a project such as yours can be a lot of fun and I hope you take your own advice and start small! You asked about aluminum pipes. Justin Matters has been making these for years but as a substitute for = pipes normally made of zinc. Aluminum is a difficult material to work with but = if weight is a concern they make excellent and lightweight facade pipes and look like polished tin. The more traditional alloy of tin and lead is preferable for metal pipes from tenor c on up. You will no doubt = encounter some pipework made of Hoyt metal which is common in older work. Best of luck in your project!   Larry Covington   > -----Original Message----- > From: wa1vvh [SMTP:wa1vvh@net1plus.com] > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:46 PM > To: diyapason-l@pipechat.org > Subject: [Residence Organs] my first posting, and a pipe material > question > > I am a new subscriber to this list, and just beginning in the pipe = organ > hobby. > I have had a latent interest in pipe organs for many years but work > schedules > and other requirements have kept it to my "wish list" until now. > > Just as a short introduction, I live in Massachusetts, and have worked = in > the > RF and microwave field for 22 years. Along with this line of work I > have > also been an active amateur radio hobbyist for a similar length of time. > > I own a small house, but which has a living room with a raised = cathedral > ceiling with exposed crossbeams, and I have envisioned placing a modest > pipe > organ into this space, along one wall. Behind this wall high up, = is > a > portion of the attic large enough to, maybe later on, install a swell > division > of at least modest size. At any rate, for time and learning = reasons, > I > intend to start slowly and small. > > I will have many, many technical questions as a newcomer, but I will > start > with one about which I have seen some conflicting information on the = web: > > How important to the voice of a pipe is the material it is made from, > and > why do I not (so far anyway) see any aluminum pipes? I am asking > this > because, having done MUCH antenna and tower work, I have tons of > aluminum > tubing in many diameters and wall gauges, and I have the ability to > solder > and braze the stuff -- but I first want to know from those with more > experience, in case making pipes this way will only be a waste of = effort. > > BTW, after only a few days on the list I have already seen a few = postings > > that are very helpful to me with practical information! > > > > Harry Chase > > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Proposed Specification From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:17:35 -0500   Friends--   I want to share with you a possible specification for my residence organ. This was originally going to be a modest addition to a Moller Artiste, but = I suddenly realized I had accumulated 23 ranks, so it will turn into another complete organ.   Please give me constructive criticism based on what you see here. I know it's a bit of a hodge-podge, but it's what is here at the moment. It has its quirks--the only independent pedal rank, for example is a Viola 8' & = 4'. And I somehow have three open 4' flutes plus one stopped 4' flute, but = only one 8' flute--the gedeckt. Strangely, I ended up with BOTH an oboe AND an orchestral oboe. I bought ten Moller ranks at $20/rank, so that tossed in = a couple of oddities as part of the deal.   Also tell me what you think I need in the way of couplers and tremulants.   John Bishop of Organ Clearing House found me a sweet little console built = by Frazee--only 31" deep, and doesn't weigh 700 pounds!   Note that I am an amateur who plays for fun--I am not a serious = professional playing demanding repertoire. I will play hymns and old standards, light classics, etc.   Also, can anyone tell me how many reservoirs I will need to feed this = beast; it will be on 3 1/2 to 4" wp.   Here 'tis: What think ye? At this stage, changes are still easy to make. Sorry, but I really, really don't have room for a 32' Open Diapason!!!   Dennis Steckley   PROPOSED SPECIFICATION-II/P STECKLEY RESIDENCE ORGAN   GREAT Principal 8' Gedeckt 8' (sw) Octave 4' Traverse Flute 4' Super Octave 2' Larigot 1 1/3' Cymbal III Trumpet 8' Oboe 8'   SWELL Gedeckt 8' Erzahler 8' Erzahler Celeste TC 8' Salicional TC 8' Voix Celeste TC 8' Octave 4' (gt) Harmonic Flute 4' Flute D'Amour 4' Twelfth 2 2/3' Fifteenth 2' Flute D'Amour 2' (ext) Cornopean 8' Orchestral Oboe 8'   PEDAL Bourdon 16' (ext/sw) Principal 8' (gt) Gedeckt 8' (sw) Viola 8' Octave 4' Open Flute 4' Viola 4' (ext) Super Octave 2' (gt) Cornopean 8' (sw)        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Proposed Specification From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:39:53 -0700   Hi, Dennis. If you'll accept the recommendation of this unabashed and unashamed = theatre organ nut, I think that your proposed spec has almost everything that = could be wanted in a classical residence organ. If the great larigot and swell 12th are independant, so much the better! A manual 16', perhaps an extension of the Swell gedackt or even a sub-octave coupler would be nice (I LOVE those heavy, rich manual 16s). Go for it!   As an aside, I've still got a lot of stuff (mostly theatrical) for sale, = if you need anything... ;-)   At 07:17 PM 9/30/02 -0500, First Christian Church of Casey, IL wrote: >Friends-- > >I want to share with you a possible specification for my residence organ. >This was originally going to be a modest addition to a Moller Artiste, = but I >suddenly realized I had accumulated 23 ranks, so it will turn into = another >complete organ. > >Please give me constructive criticism based on what you see here. I know >it's a bit of a hodge-podge, but it's what is here at the moment. It has >its quirks--the only independent pedal rank, for example is a Viola 8' & = 4'. >And I somehow have three open 4' flutes plus one stopped 4' flute, but = only >one 8' flute--the gedeckt. Strangely, I ended up with BOTH an oboe AND = an >orchestral oboe. I bought ten Moller ranks at $20/rank, so that tossed = in a >couple of oddities as part of the deal. > >Also tell me what you think I need in the way of couplers and tremulants. > >John Bishop of Organ Clearing House found me a sweet little console built = by >Frazee--only 31" deep, and doesn't weigh 700 pounds! > >Note that I am an amateur who plays for fun--I am not a serious = professional >playing demanding repertoire. I will play hymns and old standards, light >classics, etc. > >Also, can anyone tell me how many reservoirs I will need to feed this = beast; >it will be on 3 1/2 to 4" wp. > >Here 'tis: What think ye? At this stage, changes are still easy to = make. >Sorry, but I really, really don't have room for a 32' Open Diapason!!! > >Dennis Steckley > >PROPOSED SPECIFICATION-II/P STECKLEY RESIDENCE ORGAN > >GREAT >Principal 8' >Gedeckt 8' (sw) >Octave 4' >Traverse Flute 4' >Super Octave 2' >Larigot 1 1/3' >Cymbal III >Trumpet 8' >Oboe 8' > >SWELL >Gedeckt 8' >Erzahler 8' >Erzahler Celeste TC 8' >Salicional TC 8' >Voix Celeste TC 8' >Octave 4' (gt) >Harmonic Flute 4' >Flute D'Amour 4' >Twelfth 2 2/3' >Fifteenth 2' >Flute D'Amour 2' (ext) >Cornopean 8' >Orchestral Oboe 8' > >PEDAL >Bourdon 16' (ext/sw) >Principal 8' (gt) >Gedeckt 8' (sw) >Viola 8' >Octave 4' >Open Flute 4' >Viola 4' (ext) >Super Octave 2' (gt) >Cornopean 8' (sw) > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >   Regards, Bob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA http://home.jps.net/~rrloesch/index.htm   Credendo Vides (by believing, one sees)    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Proposed Specification From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:32:15 +1200   Hi!   I think you're in desperate need of another 8ft Flute rank. If you can't have another separate rank, then put one of your 4fts at 8ft and, if necessary, borrow the bass 12 from the 8ft Gedackt, though stopt basses = are generally pretty easy to get hold of. Ross -----Original Message----- From: First Christian Church of Casey, IL <kzrev@rr1.net> To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] Proposed Specification     >Friends-- > >I want to share with you a possible specification for my residence organ. >This was originally going to be a modest addition to a Moller Artiste, = but I >suddenly realized I had accumulated 23 ranks, so it will turn into = another >complete organ. > >Please give me constructive criticism based on what you see here. I know >it's a bit of a hodge-podge, but it's what is here at the moment. It has >its quirks--the only independent pedal rank, for example is a Viola 8' & 4'. >And I somehow have three open 4' flutes plus one stopped 4' flute, but = only >one 8' flute--the gedeckt. Strangely, I ended up with BOTH an oboe AND = an >orchestral oboe. I bought ten Moller ranks at $20/rank, so that tossed = in a >couple of oddities as part of the deal. > >Also tell me what you think I need in the way of couplers and tremulants. > >John Bishop of Organ Clearing House found me a sweet little console built by >Frazee--only 31" deep, and doesn't weigh 700 pounds! > >Note that I am an amateur who plays for fun--I am not a serious professional >playing demanding repertoire. I will play hymns and old standards, light >classics, etc. > >Also, can anyone tell me how many reservoirs I will need to feed this beast; >it will be on 3 1/2 to 4" wp. > >Here 'tis: What think ye? At this stage, changes are still easy to = make. >Sorry, but I really, really don't have room for a 32' Open Diapason!!! > >Dennis Steckley > >PROPOSED SPECIFICATION-II/P STECKLEY RESIDENCE ORGAN > >GREAT >Principal 8' >Gedeckt 8' (sw) >Octave 4' >Traverse Flute 4' >Super Octave 2' >Larigot 1 1/3' >Cymbal III >Trumpet 8' >Oboe 8' > >SWELL >Gedeckt 8' >Erzahler 8' >Erzahler Celeste TC 8' >Salicional TC 8' >Voix Celeste TC 8' >Octave 4' (gt) >Harmonic Flute 4' >Flute D'Amour 4' >Twelfth 2 2/3' >Fifteenth 2' >Flute D'Amour 2' (ext) >Cornopean 8' >Orchestral Oboe 8' > >PEDAL >Bourdon 16' (ext/sw) >Principal 8' (gt) >Gedeckt 8' (sw) >Viola 8' >Octave 4' >Open Flute 4' >Viola 4' (ext) >Super Octave 2' (gt) >Cornopean 8' (sw) > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org >